Drudge report today reported Russia sent special forces into Iraq to get all evidence they were doing business with Iraq. The material's and explosives were took to Syria and Iran. This happen while Bush was giving more time for Iraq to give up his wmds. Drudge said source was solid. Russia, France, and Germany was in bed with Saddam. These countries turned the world against America and looks like they even turned a few Americans against America.
Russia took missing explosives
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No no no. Kerry told us all it is Bush's fault to not secure the weapons once we got to Iraq.
Certainly he would not mislead us. He says Bush misleads us.
Certainly he would not mislead us. He says Bush misleads us.
David,
Drudge is about as reliable as the National Enquirer or Rush Limbaugh! Obviously Bush did not want this fact to come out before the election as they have sat on this info for over a month without releasing it to the American people. When Bush gets back into office and if heat is applied on this issue Rice will take the blame for it!
Drudge is about as reliable as the National Enquirer or Rush Limbaugh! Obviously Bush did not want this fact to come out before the election as they have sat on this info for over a month without releasing it to the American people. When Bush gets back into office and if heat is applied on this issue Rice will take the blame for it!
We walked right by In a hurry to get to Bagdad. Just so we can sit on our hands and get over now 1100 kids killed. It was poor plannig from the start. And we still have not fired the right people for it.
Doctor:
Uh, excuse me, but wasn't the reason we invaded Iraq was because they had weapons of mass destruction? So wouldn't ya kinda, wanna think that our generals would want to secure the known locations of weapons and maybe even look at the storage facilities after we dropped in for a visit.
Well, looks like its been about 20 months since we invaded Iraq and just now decided to take a look. Seems logical to me.
Ed
Uh, excuse me, but wasn't the reason we invaded Iraq was because they had weapons of mass destruction? So wouldn't ya kinda, wanna think that our generals would want to secure the known locations of weapons and maybe even look at the storage facilities after we dropped in for a visit.
Well, looks like its been about 20 months since we invaded Iraq and just now decided to take a look. Seems logical to me.
Ed
101st Airborne Vet: 'No Way' Explosives Were at Al Qaqaa
NewsMax.com ^ | 10/28/04 | Carl Limbacher
A former GI with the 101st Airborne Division who was among the first Americans on the scene at Saddam Hussein's Al Qaqaa weapons depot said Wednesday there was no way the bunkers he inspected housed 380 tons of high explosives as reported by the New York Times.
"When we walked into the bunkers that apparently nobody [else] went into, there is no way there were 380 tons of explosives in those bunkers," 101st Airborne veteran Ken Dixon told the Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes" Wednesday night. Instead, said Dixon, the weapons that were left behind at Al Qaqaa were "regular RPGs, rockets and hand grenades."
Dixon did say, however, he saw evidence that something had been removed before U.S. forces arrived on the scene.
"You had tire tracks in dried up mud," he told Sean Hannity. "Large tire tracks from big trucks. And you had boot prints going in and out of these bunkers."
But as far as individual looters of the sort claimed by the New York Times, Dixon said he saw "no sign" of that at all.
The Iraq war vet was critical of Sen. John Kerry for using the Times report to bash President Bush, telling Hannity on his radio show, "It definitely undermines the work we're trying to do in Iraq."
Dixon's revelations on "Hannity & Colmes" capped a day that began on Nashville radio station WTN, where he detailed what he saw at Al Qaqaa to host Steve Gill.
When the 101st arrived on April 10, 2003, the Al Qaaqa bunkers were "wide open," he told Gill, as if somebody had already been there and broken the seals placed on the high explosives by the UN.
"There was me and two other guys who were the only ones who actually went in the bunkers," he recalled. "What drew us there - they had these big metal doors and they were already open. So we thought people had already gone in there - we wanted to take a look."
While there were a few boxes inside the bunkers, Dixon told the Nashville host, "There was nowhere near what they're saying that came up missing that was inside those bunkers."
The crates that were left behind, however, had some interesting markings.
"We pretty much knew that they contained explosives from the symbols that were on the crates themselves," Dixon said. "There was nothing we could actually read because the majority of it was written in French."
And he had an interesting observation for those in the press who dismiss pre-war Iraq as a major player in global terrorism, noting that prior to stopping off at Al Qaaqa, his unit has cleaned out a terrorist training camp.
"There were terrorist training camps all over [Iraq]," he told Gill.
NewsMax.com ^ | 10/28/04 | Carl Limbacher
A former GI with the 101st Airborne Division who was among the first Americans on the scene at Saddam Hussein's Al Qaqaa weapons depot said Wednesday there was no way the bunkers he inspected housed 380 tons of high explosives as reported by the New York Times.
"When we walked into the bunkers that apparently nobody [else] went into, there is no way there were 380 tons of explosives in those bunkers," 101st Airborne veteran Ken Dixon told the Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes" Wednesday night. Instead, said Dixon, the weapons that were left behind at Al Qaqaa were "regular RPGs, rockets and hand grenades."
Dixon did say, however, he saw evidence that something had been removed before U.S. forces arrived on the scene.
"You had tire tracks in dried up mud," he told Sean Hannity. "Large tire tracks from big trucks. And you had boot prints going in and out of these bunkers."
But as far as individual looters of the sort claimed by the New York Times, Dixon said he saw "no sign" of that at all.
The Iraq war vet was critical of Sen. John Kerry for using the Times report to bash President Bush, telling Hannity on his radio show, "It definitely undermines the work we're trying to do in Iraq."
Dixon's revelations on "Hannity & Colmes" capped a day that began on Nashville radio station WTN, where he detailed what he saw at Al Qaqaa to host Steve Gill.
When the 101st arrived on April 10, 2003, the Al Qaaqa bunkers were "wide open," he told Gill, as if somebody had already been there and broken the seals placed on the high explosives by the UN.
"There was me and two other guys who were the only ones who actually went in the bunkers," he recalled. "What drew us there - they had these big metal doors and they were already open. So we thought people had already gone in there - we wanted to take a look."
While there were a few boxes inside the bunkers, Dixon told the Nashville host, "There was nowhere near what they're saying that came up missing that was inside those bunkers."
The crates that were left behind, however, had some interesting markings.
"We pretty much knew that they contained explosives from the symbols that were on the crates themselves," Dixon said. "There was nothing we could actually read because the majority of it was written in French."
And he had an interesting observation for those in the press who dismiss pre-war Iraq as a major player in global terrorism, noting that prior to stopping off at Al Qaaqa, his unit has cleaned out a terrorist training camp.
"There were terrorist training camps all over [Iraq]," he told Gill.
'If you mean dying in the course of the United Nations effort, yes, it is worth that. If you mean dying American troops unilaterally going in with some false presumption that we can affect the outcome, the answer is unequivocally no.'"
- John Kerry, CNN Late Edition 94' regarding the possibility of US troops being killed in Bosnia.
- John Kerry, CNN Late Edition 94' regarding the possibility of US troops being killed in Bosnia.
"Drudge is about as reliable as the National Enquirer or Rush Limbaugh! Obviously Bush did not want this fact to come out before the election as they have sat on this info for over a month without releasing it to the American people."
--or the flip side You could concur the timing of bringing back an issue that happened in 03 pertaining to 1/2 of 1% of explosives suspected in Iraq by liberal media with help of UN is in itself is questionalble. Especially when,by their own acklodgement, no one including Kerry's people have a clue when they went missing but is certain the time line is NOT past may 6th 03. It appears Kerry is only one that has facts no one else is privvy to. Even NYT said (if you go 34 paragraphs down) in initial report that IEAE did not know when they disappeared.
Its a good ploy by the dems but they under estimate the itelligence of most. So far it appears to be backfiring--from Reuters per today--
"Bush led Kerry 48-46 percent in the latest three-day national tracking poll, gaining one point on the Massachusetts senator in a day. Bush led Kerry 48-47 percent on Wednesday"
Appears 1% more have gotten fed up with Kerry's failure to run on his merits but solely on dissing opponent on distortions-forgeries ect..
and I believe the Bush admin has known about since may 03 report from Ieae and NOT --so sitting on it for "a month" is quite inaccurate to my thinking.
--or the flip side You could concur the timing of bringing back an issue that happened in 03 pertaining to 1/2 of 1% of explosives suspected in Iraq by liberal media with help of UN is in itself is questionalble. Especially when,by their own acklodgement, no one including Kerry's people have a clue when they went missing but is certain the time line is NOT past may 6th 03. It appears Kerry is only one that has facts no one else is privvy to. Even NYT said (if you go 34 paragraphs down) in initial report that IEAE did not know when they disappeared.
Its a good ploy by the dems but they under estimate the itelligence of most. So far it appears to be backfiring--from Reuters per today--
"Bush led Kerry 48-46 percent in the latest three-day national tracking poll, gaining one point on the Massachusetts senator in a day. Bush led Kerry 48-47 percent on Wednesday"
Appears 1% more have gotten fed up with Kerry's failure to run on his merits but solely on dissing opponent on distortions-forgeries ect..
and I believe the Bush admin has known about since may 03 report from Ieae and NOT --so sitting on it for "a month" is quite inaccurate to my thinking.
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DOGS THAT BARK said:
I thought I saw where the other 1000 weapon depots that we found contained about 400 tons of explosives combined and this one alone had 380 tons. 1/2 of 1% seems to be some fuzzy math.
Here are some figures Matt --in addition I am seeing reports that the figures of those missing are incurrate--more later
"The disappearance raised questions about why the United States didn't do more to secure the facility and failed to allow full international inspections to resume after the March 2003 invasion.
In the aftermath of Saddam?s ouster, U.S. troops looked for weapons of mass destruction in a variety of locales, including Al-Qaqaa. U.S. commanders say the military had already destroyed or secured and prepared to destroy more than 400,000 tons of explosives, artillery shells, mines and ammunition.
IAEA inspectors visited the site in late 2002 and early 2003 before the war, sealing and tagging the stockpiles of ?high explosives.?
In May 2003, members of the Iraq Survey Group (search), the CIA-led weapons inspection team, began work at Al-Qaqaa. It conducted 25 inspections, which covered 37 large bunkers and more than 80 other buildings. No IAEA-tagged high-explosive material was found.
Al-Qaqaa is near Youssifiyah, an area rife with ambush attacks. An Associated Press Television News crew that drove past the compound Monday saw no visible security at the gates of the site, a jumble of low-slung, yellow-colored storage buildings that appeared deserted.
"The most immediate concern here is that these explosives could have fallen into the wrong hands," IAEA spokeswoman Melissa Fleming said.
The agency first placed a seal over Al-Qaqaa storage bunkers holding the explosives in 1991 as part of U.N. sanctions that ordered the dismantlement of Iraq's nuclear program after the Gulf War.
IAEA inspectors last saw the explosives in January 2003 when they took an inventory and placed fresh seals on the bunkers, Fleming said. Inspectors visited the site again in March 2003, but didn't view the explosives because the seals were not broken, she said.
Nuclear agency experts pulled out of Iraq just before the U.S.-led invasion later that month, and have not yet been able to return for general inspections despite ElBaradei's repeated urging that they be allowed to finish their work. Although IAEA inspectors have made two trips to Iraq since the war at U.S. requests, Russia and other Security Council members have pressed for their full-time return ? so far unsuccessfully."
"The disappearance raised questions about why the United States didn't do more to secure the facility and failed to allow full international inspections to resume after the March 2003 invasion.
In the aftermath of Saddam?s ouster, U.S. troops looked for weapons of mass destruction in a variety of locales, including Al-Qaqaa. U.S. commanders say the military had already destroyed or secured and prepared to destroy more than 400,000 tons of explosives, artillery shells, mines and ammunition.
IAEA inspectors visited the site in late 2002 and early 2003 before the war, sealing and tagging the stockpiles of ?high explosives.?
In May 2003, members of the Iraq Survey Group (search), the CIA-led weapons inspection team, began work at Al-Qaqaa. It conducted 25 inspections, which covered 37 large bunkers and more than 80 other buildings. No IAEA-tagged high-explosive material was found.
Al-Qaqaa is near Youssifiyah, an area rife with ambush attacks. An Associated Press Television News crew that drove past the compound Monday saw no visible security at the gates of the site, a jumble of low-slung, yellow-colored storage buildings that appeared deserted.
"The most immediate concern here is that these explosives could have fallen into the wrong hands," IAEA spokeswoman Melissa Fleming said.
The agency first placed a seal over Al-Qaqaa storage bunkers holding the explosives in 1991 as part of U.N. sanctions that ordered the dismantlement of Iraq's nuclear program after the Gulf War.
IAEA inspectors last saw the explosives in January 2003 when they took an inventory and placed fresh seals on the bunkers, Fleming said. Inspectors visited the site again in March 2003, but didn't view the explosives because the seals were not broken, she said.
Nuclear agency experts pulled out of Iraq just before the U.S.-led invasion later that month, and have not yet been able to return for general inspections despite ElBaradei's repeated urging that they be allowed to finish their work. Although IAEA inspectors have made two trips to Iraq since the war at U.S. requests, Russia and other Security Council members have pressed for their full-time return ? so far unsuccessfully."
Dogs,
The national poll is meaningless at this point, flash back to 2000 and those polls were way off! At this point the three polls that we should be looking at are Ohio, Penn and Florida whomever wins 2 out of the 3 more than likely wins. As we saw in 200o the popular vote is worthless but I bet if Bush wins the popular vote but loses the election the Republicans will demand some changes in the way we elect a president!
The national poll is meaningless at this point, flash back to 2000 and those polls were way off! At this point the three polls that we should be looking at are Ohio, Penn and Florida whomever wins 2 out of the 3 more than likely wins. As we saw in 200o the popular vote is worthless but I bet if Bush wins the popular vote but loses the election the Republicans will demand some changes in the way we elect a president!
You guys are missing the point!! Wou keep arguing over this nit-pick-shit?
John Kerry said that George Bush failed to secure those weapons!! My god he's out using this to try and get votes!!
HE'S LYING!!!!!
Why won't any of you liberals stand up and say "Yeah you know what, Kerry IS LYING"?...you guys are a total joke! We should go into Syria and look for the WMDs now. But even if we found them, you idiot liberals will still be saying "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time."...it's a bunch of horseshit!
It's total bullshit. We gave Saddam WAAAAAYYYY TOO MUCH TIME before we invaded his stinky ass. The U.N. FAILED!! The U.N. was Babysitting those weapons. Now we find out all of his is weapons were separated and snuck into Syria??
MANSON TOLD YA SO!!! :clap:
KERRY IS DONE!!!! IT'S OVER PEOPLE!!!
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John Kerry said that George Bush failed to secure those weapons!! My god he's out using this to try and get votes!!
HE'S LYING!!!!!
Why won't any of you liberals stand up and say "Yeah you know what, Kerry IS LYING"?...you guys are a total joke! We should go into Syria and look for the WMDs now. But even if we found them, you idiot liberals will still be saying "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time."...it's a bunch of horseshit!
It's total bullshit. We gave Saddam WAAAAAYYYY TOO MUCH TIME before we invaded his stinky ass. The U.N. FAILED!! The U.N. was Babysitting those weapons. Now we find out all of his is weapons were separated and snuck into Syria??
MANSON TOLD YA SO!!! :clap:
KERRY IS DONE!!!! IT'S OVER PEOPLE!!!
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No I would rate all of the networks as being on the more up and up then Drudge as his reports are similair to tabloid journalism. You forgot to add one network that is very unreliable Fox news
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you guys are DESPERATE!!! If you liberals want to shoot the messenger go ahead. The thread topic is about Russia helping Saddam sneak his weapons into Syria BEFORE we even got there! Let's not disrespect David's thread ok?
If you want to try and smoke-screen the topic by discussing joulnalism, please seriously open up a new thread. I KNOW YOU"RE SINKING FAST BUT .....STAY ON TOPIC LIBERALS. OK?
you guys are DESPERATE!!! If you liberals want to shoot the messenger go ahead. The thread topic is about Russia helping Saddam sneak his weapons into Syria BEFORE we even got there! Let's not disrespect David's thread ok?
If you want to try and smoke-screen the topic by discussing joulnalism, please seriously open up a new thread. I KNOW YOU"RE SINKING FAST BUT .....STAY ON TOPIC LIBERALS. OK?
