SADDAM WAS "THE WMD"....why deny it?

CHARLESMANSON

Hated
Forum Member
Jan 7, 2004
2,651
15
0
90
CORCORAN, CA
I thought this article by Greg Palkot was interesting. All this talk about no WMDs????

B.S.....Saddam and his two sons were the WMDs. Thank God Bush removed them.

****************

A trench with piles of clothed bodies packed tightly together. Men, women, little children. Even unborn children. Some blindfolded. Some with their hands bound. All slaughtered in cold blood by the henchmen of former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.


The head of the recovery unit, Greg Kehoe-

"I?ve never seen women and children executed, defenseless people executed in this fashion, I mean, you look at a young woman holding her 2-year-old child with a gunshot wound to the back of the head. I can?t find any reason to justify that."
When I saw the images I could only think back to Hilla, a town south of Baghdad where I went in the spring of 2003, just after the fall of Saddam. A mass grave of Iraqi Shiites was discovered there.

I will never forget it for as long as I live. Thousands of bodies. Thousands of families swarming over piles of clothing and flesh. Earth-moving equipment digging through the raw humanity. Digging up the past.

Some of these people were opponents of the regime, gunned down after an uprising against Saddam in 1991 and then dumped in big trenches. Women and civilians were also among the victims.

Beyond the visual impression, though, it is the smell that I will never forget. The bodies had been underground for over 10 years, but you could still feel the rot of the past. The remainder and reminder of life, snuffed out by a horrendous regime.

The scene was pure chaos. People were running from pile to pile, looking for loved ones long lost. With so much emotion built up you could imagine and understand why no one was carefully going about the business of sorting through the human debris.

And the lucky ones were satisfied enough to bring away their family members in crudely made coffins for long-postponed burials.

There was only one problem with that scene: Saddam got off the hook. It didn't seem that enough could have been done to carefully record who was killed, how they were killed and where they were found. And so no real evidence could have been gathered that might be used in, say, a war crimes trial against Saddam Hussein and the thugs who took his orders.

That is what the team at this latest mass grave is trying to rectify. It is believed these bodies came from Sulamaniyah (search), one of the major cities of Kurdistan. The Kurds were one of the mass groups of people in Iraq that the Iraqi leader despised. At the time of one of the Kurdish uprisings against Baghdad in 1987-88, these people were shuttled over to this desolate spot and killed.

But thanks to this isolated location of horror and the team's organization, this "war crime" scene has been preserved and can be handled in a proper way. Body locations are mapped, and then the bodies are exhumed from the location and taken to a moveable morgue where the corpses undergo more scrutiny.

All of that information and evidence will then be provided to the Iraqi Special Tribunal, which is preparing the case against Hussein and others. Here?s how archaeologist Sonny Trimble put it:

?Our real, ultimate goal is to get evidence that?s so tight that when they bring certain regime leaders to trial, it?s very tight, just like any trial you would have in the United States or anywhere else in the world.?

It?s thought that there are as many as 3,000 bodies at this one site alone, but the workers will only unearth 200 to 300. There is not enough time for more, but there are many more sites to examine.

By one estimate, 300,000 people were slaughtered during Saddam's rule and dumped in 40 different mass grave sites around the country.
 

smurphy

cartographer
Channel Member
Jul 31, 2004
19,910
135
63
16
L.A.
already, 100,000 iraqis have died since invasion.

do you honestly care that much about about iraqi's? honestly? i don't. this is just the same back-tracking of reasons for invasion we keep hearing.
 

CHARLESMANSON

Hated
Forum Member
Jan 7, 2004
2,651
15
0
90
CORCORAN, CA
I care about spreading freedom and democracy in the middle east to crush terrorism. If you don't gave a crap then that's your problem, not mine.

After reading the above article you critisized the war effort and said not a damn thing about Saddam murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent people or the article itself.
You're in DENIAL. Enjoy.
 

DOGS THAT BARK

Registered User
Forum Member
Jul 13, 1999
19,481
157
63
Bowling Green Ky
I think things will get better once we start weeding out more terrorist. Just think if you were an Iraq'i and truely wanted freedom like I believe most do.You have terrorist or terrorist supporters watching everyone, You speak up and likely to lose your head--is easy to bad mouth the coalition because there is no reprecussion.The troops are in areas helping one day and you know they will be gone in few days but terrorist supporters won't.
Once we get command of situation I think you will see huge snowball effect of Iraqi's.

and we must not forget that George Sr and Swartzkoff gave them their word and pulled out and they were massacred last time--and I am sure they have not forgot it--might be in back of W's mind and an added reason to support them--I hope so.
 

ferdville

Registered User
Forum Member
Dec 24, 1999
3,165
5
0
78
So Cal
I thought that most liberals and dems said that we went into Iraq for the OIL? Wasn't that their mantra? I am still waiting for ONE person to give me ONE example of the U.S. misappropriating Iraqi oil.
 

BobbyBlueChip

Trustee
Forum Member
Dec 27, 2000
20,715
290
83
53
Belly of the Beast
ferdville said:
I thought that most liberals and dems said that we went into Iraq for the OIL? Wasn't that their mantra? I am still waiting for ONE person to give me ONE example of the U.S. misappropriating Iraqi oil.

I don't know if anyone knows how their appropriating the oil, let alone how they are misappropriating it. I haven't seen any response to KPMG's audit remarks, but out of the 5.6 billion in revenues from occupation to handover, 1/2 of it can't be accounted for.



Auditors Can't Account for Iraq Spent Funds

Thu Oct 14,10:21 PM ET White House - AP Cabinet & State


By LARRY MARGASAK, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - U.S. and Iraqi officials doled out hundreds of millions of dollars in oil proceeds and other moneys for Iraqi projects earlier this year, but there was little effort to monitor or justify the expenditures, according to an audit released Thursday.



Files that could explain many of the payments are missing or nonexistent, and contracting rules were ignored, according to auditors working for an agency created by the United Nations (news - web sites).


"We found one case where a payment ($2.6 million) was authorized by the CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority) senior adviser to the Ministry of Oil," the report said. "We were unable to obtain an underlying contract" or even "evidence of services being rendered."


In a program to allow U.S. military commanders to pay for small reconstruction projects, auditors questioned 128 projects totaling $31.6 million. They could find no evidence of bidding for the projects or, alternatively, explanations of why they were awarded without competition.


The report was released by Rep. Henry Waxman (news, bio, voting record) of California, ranking Democrat on the House Government Reform Committee (news - web sites) and a leading critic of reconstruction spending to rebuild Iraq (news - web sites).


"The Bush Administration cannot account for how billions of dollars of Iraqi oil proceeds were spent," Waxman said. "The mismanagement, lack of transparency, and potential corruption will seriously undermine our efforts in Iraq. A thorough congressional investigation is urgently needed."


The audit was performed by the accounting firm KMPG for the International Advisory and Monitoring Board, created by the United Nations to monitor the stewardship of Iraqi funds.


The report monitored spending by the Coalition Provisional Authority, the U.S.-run governing agency which went out of existence in June; Iraqi ministries; the Kurdish Regional Government and Iraqi provisional governments. It covered the period from January to June this year.


In the CPA programs, "We found 37 cases where contracting files could not be located," the auditors said. The cost of the contracts: $185 million. In another 52 cases, there was no record of the goods received for $87.9 million in expenditures.


In a military commanders' program to buy back weapons, $1.4 million was spent from a fund that specifically prohibited such expenditures, auditors said.


Iraq's Ministry of Finance maintained two sets of accounting records, one manual and one computerized.


"A reconciliation between these two sets of accounting records was not prepared and the difference was significant," the report said.


Auditors questioned why checks were made payable to a U.S. official ? a senior adviser to the Iraqi ministry of health ? rather than to suppliers.


Other questions were raised about funds provided by the U.S.-run governing authority to Kurdish officials in northern Iraq. In one instance, auditors were given a deposit slip that showed the transfer of $1.4 billion to a Kurdish bank. Auditors said they were denied access to accounting records and were unable to verify how ? or if ? the money was spent.
 

danmurphy jr

Registered User
Forum Member
Sep 14, 2004
2,966
5
0
the spread of freedom and democracy begins tomorrow. some of you will be pleased to know the massacre of Fallujah is well under way. If they don't shoot themselves there will be few casualties as there will only be civilians left to die. The insurgents have already left the building.
define: civilian, one not in military or naval service
define: insurgent, one who rises up against established authority Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups
 

MrChristo

The Zapper
Forum Member
Nov 11, 2001
4,414
5
0
Sexlexia...
Democracy in the Middle East.

And some people think Liberal thinkers live in a dream world.

Isn't that why Saddam was there in the first place??...We (the west) has been fiddling with this 'demcracy' thing there for 30+ years!!

It's not going to happen. It was a nice excuse....but it's never going to happen.

ferdville, I posted a report and some figures about world oil supplies about a month back....will dig about for it if you like....

...but basic summary was that The embargo on oil exports was hurting the US. They (and the rest of the west) needed to get the il out of Iraq.
How?...Let Saddam off the hook and let him export more crude, or piss him off out of it completely.

No real choice there.

To say it was about spreading goodwill and democracy, is, as smurphy says, is backpedling at it's finest.
 

smurphy

cartographer
Channel Member
Jul 31, 2004
19,910
135
63
16
L.A.
Of course were supporting him. We helped supply him while he was gassing Iranians in the 80's. We turned a blind eye to it then because it served our short-term interests. JUST LIKE we turn a blind eye to Saudi Arabia's human rights violations and harboring of Al Qaeda to this day.

Funny everyone who "Remembers 9-11" and plays up how we were hit so hard that day and use it to serve their agendas - somehow for some mysterious reason these people don't care that Osama is still out there and appears quite coherant - no doubt still pulling some strings.

What happened to "bringing him to justice"? WTF happened? ...oh that's right, Dubya himself said it:

March, 2002
" I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. "

HOW DOES HE GET AWAY WITH THIS?

Oh yeah, he gets people's panties in a wad about gays getting married, to mask his total failures.

Can we be any dumber?
 
Bet on MyBookie
Top