The ACLU...again

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By William R Alford - Dec.20, 2003

Does the U.S. Constitution protect free speech and allow people to organize based upon a common value system? Given the American Civil Liberty Union?s actions, the answer apparently depends upon who is involved and what values are promoted.

The ACLU is litigating on many fronts against the Boy Scouts of America because it excludes homosexuals as members or leaders and ejects existing ones if found to be homosexual. The ACLU is also defending the North American Man-Boy Love Association in a wrongful death lawsuit consequent to an October 1997 murder in Massachusetts.

Promising a new bicycle [to replace the one some say they stole], according to CNN reports, Salvatore Sicari and Charles Jaynes enticed 10-year-old Jeffrey Curly into their vehicle.

Trial records reveal that the men -- both in their mid 20s at the time -- tried to sexually assault Jeffrey, who resisted. Sicari and Jaynes used a gasoline-soaked rag to gag the boy, who then suffocated to death. The men then sexually desecrated Jeffrey?s corpse. Police later recovered Jeffrey?s concrete-encased body from a nearby river. Sicari and Jaynes are serving life prison terms for first and second-degree murder respectively. Massachusetts has no death penalty.

The Curley?s are reportedly baffled at how their hometown of Cambridge would erect memorials to slain local homosexuals and that Sen. Edward Kennedy would express shock at Matthew Shepard?s 1998 murder, yet have nothing to say about their boy?s death at the hands of homosexual pedophiles.

Jeffrey?s parents successfully sued the convicted killers and were awarded $328 million in the spring of 2000. In July of the same year, their attorney Larry Frisoli announced a class-action lawsuit against NAMBLA. The case is still in litigation. If successful, parents could collect damages from NAMBLA if their members are convicted of child sexual abuse. Frisoli is also representing the Curleys in a separate case, seeking $200 million in damages.

The ACLU has agreed to undertake NAMBLA?s legal defense. ?For us, it is a fundamental First Amendment case,? Massachusetts branch executive director John Roberts told the Boston Globe. ?It has to do with communications on a website, and material that does not promote any kind of criminal behavior whatsoever.?

In preliminary hearings, the Curley?s lawyer showed that Jaynes possessed NAMBLA materials including photographs of boys and ?eroticized depictions of young boys? that, according to official ACLU statements, are ?constitutionally protected speech.?

Explaining NAMBLA?s position on adult-child sex, an essay on its website entitled ?Teaching Sexuality? acknowledges ?children are at our mercy.? It argues, however, that having adults not teach them about sex would be an irresponsible abdication of responsibility. This would make ?about as much sense to leave children's sexual nourishment to their peers as it would to assume that the mud pies they make for each other are an adequate lunch.?

NAMBLA goes on to contend that such education must include ?inter-generational? sex to be effective: ?If we accepted sexual behaviour between children and adults, we would be far more able to protect our children from abuse and exploitation than we are now. They would be free to tell us, as they can about all kinds of other experiences, what is happening to them and to have our sympathy and support instead of our mute and mistrustful terror.?

In court briefs filing for dismissal, an ACLU attorney wrote, ?examination of the materials that have been identified by the plaintiffs will show that they simply do not advocate violation of the law. But even if that were the case, speech is not deprived of the protection of the First Amendment simply because it advocates an unlawful act.?

One lawful act that the ACLU does not consistently condone ? free association based upon a common value system -- has been practiced by the Boy Scouts of America since 1916. BSA has always excluded homosexuals and required Christian values adherence. Thus atheists, Hindi, neopagans, Buddhists, Unitarians (and homosexuals as well) are among those whom the BSA have consistently excluded.
In the 2000 BSA v. Dale case, the U.S. Supreme Court determined BSA?s ?adult leaders inculcate its youth members with its value system.? The Justices ruled that forcing BSA to accept homosexual leaders would ?significantly affect? its ability to instill long-standing ideals. The Court noted that BSA ?asserts that homosexual conduct is inconsistent? with its core values and upheld that the boys organization should not be forced to ?promote homosexual conduct as a legitimate form of behavior.?

The Supreme Court further determined that state laws regarding public accommodation ?run afoul the Scouts? freedom of expressive association.? The state ?may not interfere with speech for no better reason than promoting an approved message or discouraging a disfavored one, however enlightened either purpose may seem.?

Joining the backlash that greeted this ruling, the ACLU has participated in numerous cases throughout the country seeking to make it increasingly difficult for the Boy Scouts to operate locally. A secondary goal is to drain BSA?s resources via litigation. The ACLU is thus challenging BSA?s federal charter, tax-exempt status and is seeking to deny use of many local venues in which to hold Scouting activities.

The ACLU is suing on behalf of a Methodist minister in Chicago, objecting to religious endorsement and a homosexual agnostic hoping to volunteer as leader of a BSA-led youth program. In this case, the ACLU also objects to the BSA?s requirement to recite the Scout Oath, specifically because it includes pledges to God and Country.

Jeffrey Curley?s parents? attorney has found witnesses who are prepared to testify that the adult-child sex advocacy group does more than promote age-of-consent law revocation.

Better A Millstone Inc. described NAMBLA in an AP-reported court affidavit as ?a quasi school for training its members on how to profile children.? NAMBLA members exchange advice on how to gain children?s confidence well enough to lure them into sexual encounters while avoiding parents and/or police.

A policeman who infiltrated NAMBLA?s leadership revealed in another affidavit that a member offered to arrange a sexual encounter with a boy. ACLU unsuccessfully petitioned the court to have this and other similar testimony disallowed and to place Jeffrey Curley?s parents under gag order.

?Why don't they just start their own homosexual scouting group?? asked Traditional Values Chairman Rev. Louis P. Sheldon in a recent editorial, rather than try and force the BSA to conform to an emerging secular orthodoxy? Save our Scouts is currently leading a campaign to defend BSA and expose its enemies? motives.

In a Manchester Union Leader editorial, Bernadette Malone Connolly asks: If the ACLU is willing to defend NAMBLA?s constitutionally protected freedom of speech and association, why is the vaunted civil rights legal defense organization attacking the Boy Scouts for asserting the same rights?

Apparently the ACLU considers the BSA?s homosexual exclusion to be more threatening to boys in particular and society in general than NAMBLA?s child-adult sex advocacy.
 

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Only in America, land of opportunity. Time to think about boycotting law firms that donate time for this out of control group. Yeah, pinkos who frequent this site will say "well they filed a brief on behalf of Rush" This is a radical group, with an agenda that attacks the foundation of our core beliefs. Kind of like the guy who pissed on his feet because the urinal was dirty...
 

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I certainly hope the Boy Scouts can win their case and I am still amazed that NAMBLA is even allowed to exist as the very premise of their organization is based on illegal behavior.

On the other hand the ACLU performs an important function regarding protection of everyone's free speech. They have defended the rights of persons to display the Confederate flag as well if I am not mistaken.
 

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I do wonder how helpful it is for the Boy Scouts to exclude persons based upon their specific religion - didn't know they had that "litmus" test and can understand how this can cause them some trouble. On what basis is their tax-exempt status being challenged? Churches receive tax-exempt status and they are certainly not inclusive by nature. What criteria does an organization have to meet to receive tax-exempt status? I believe they cannot be politically involved but am not sure what other criteria they must meet. Certainly the Scouts perform community service.
 

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Taking Aim at the Pentagon

Wednesday, November 17, 2004

By David Asman



The Pentagon can take on Saddam Hussein (search) and send him packing. But when the American Civil Liberties Union takes aim, Pentagon officials throw up their hands and cry uncle.

As you may have heard, the ACLU (search) filed a lawsuit against the Pentagon for sponsoring charters of Boy Scout and Cub Scout packs at military bases throughout the world. The ACLU claimed this was unconstitutional because ?the Boy Scouts? policy violates the religious liberty of youth who wish to participate but do not wish to swear a religious oath.?

Well, now the Pentagon has given in to the ACLU, sending alerts to military posts worldwide, warning them to keep Boy Scout troops and their dangerous religious oaths off base. Of course, the "religious oath" to which scouts are required to swear is merely the acknowledgment that there is a power higher than the scouts or the military or even the ACLU. But that's something the ACLU has always had a tough time accepting.

The ACLU's next big campaign is to cut off Pentagon support for the annual national Boy Scout Jamboree (search). And after that? Could the banishment of military chaplains from military bases be far behind? Stay tuned.
 

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Thats right cut off the cub scouts ,boy scouts, brownies and girl scouts but yet increase the needle exchange programs in big cities so junkies can be safe from a disease why getting their high.

I say we get rid of the aclu and the feds and why we are at it the far left and far right needs to go with them.
 

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Some Fawkin scumbag from The Aclu was on O'reilly bitching about the Marine that shot the insurgent in Iraq.

The nerve of that lemmon and fish faced mutha fawka condemning that very young soldier.

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ACLU used to be an organ for free speech, and civil liberty. Some six or so years ago the were co-opted by radical lefties. The Nambla case, the ongoing attack on the boy scouts, challenges regarding Xmas or nativity scenes, are just the most obvious examples. The historical inclusion of symbols such as the confederate flag, or Christian symbols on the LA flag are parts of history, like it or not. When some images become so powerful as to cause social unrest, then any responsible democracy should have the means to suppress them. I happen to believe that burning the American flag rises to this standard. Much as I am offended by bubba flying a confederate flag on his antenna, reasonable people know he is a bigot, and leave it at that. If he drives to the wrong place, at the wrong time, he may deservedly discover free speech at the wrong end of a tire iron.Santa and the boy scouts don't rise to that standard. If we worried about offending anyone then maybe I need to ask them to sue my neighbor to remove that god-awful OU flag he flies on Saturdays.
 

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Just go get the folks that lied about Vioxx. What a sin. Forget B S's. This is more important.
 
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What the hell does ACLU have to do with Vioxx????
You'll see them at their specialty soon with Christmas coming.
Like Merry Chrstmas should be replaced with Holilday Greetings despite holiday is nationally known as Christmas--and then sueing cities again that have nativity scenes and I could go on--if you think your ave citizens isn't fed up with PC BS of the left take a gander at your previously blue in 2000 shrink even more in 2004

the proof is in the pudding
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/countymap.htm
 

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DoMyDermBest:

I take issue with your conclusion that anyone flying the Confederate Flag is a racist by default. Many Southerners love the flag as a symbol of the brave sacrifice of their great grandfathers in defence of their homes. The fact that the discredited KKK runs around with the Flag is a disgrace but then they also run around with the US Flag. Also, perhaps we shouldn't be allowed to display the US Flag because Native Americans were slaughtered by its soldiers? Not to mention that all slaves brought to this country were brought here by ships flying the US Flag, the vast majority of those ships operating out of New England.
 

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Ocelot,
I'm not advocating taking their right away, anymore than you. Sorry you took it that way. In my experience in the south and in Texas, most are under-educated, bigoted idiots who perhaps deserve that date with a tire iron. I know a few proud Southern folks who have a pride in their heritage. Most of them have the smarts to know where and when to fly it! I do not believe that the confederate symbol is a threat to domestic order. Burning the American flag is another story. Burn one in my courthouse square. it won't be a free speech issue, but one of survival for anyone so foolish.
 

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:) Hey I agree that anyone should be free to burn the American Flag - just don't be surprised if you get your ass kicked.
 
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