mac basketball friday......

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akron at drake (-8)
new era for akron basketball under dambrot. have heard nothing but good things about him, and the guy has a great rep for getting the most out of the guys he's coached (including some lebron kid). that being said, its gonna take some time. zips are y-o-u-n-g, starting two juniors, two sophs, and a freshman. the loss of derrick tarver to graduation is a killer. tarver averaged 22+ a game last year and took pretty much every big shot. not a single zip averaged double figures to complement him. wood has the potential to be a damn good player, but hes not a true scorer. hes a bad-ass dude inside, but not a guy thats gonna take over games offensively. former lebron running mates (travis and joyce) really need to elevate their games. travis will be great one night, and a no-show the next. theyre both sophs, so can knock em too much, but they shouldnt be intimidated after all the big games they played in. theyre the future of the team along with wood. lots of talent and athleticism in akron, but its gonna take till at least january before akron gets any consistency. ill steer clear of them until then and let dambrot mold these guys into a team in the meantime. might be some ugly outcomes early on.

marshall at unc-wilmington (-7.5)
put me down for marshall being a darkhorse in the mac this year. everyone is kind of sleepin' on em -- and rightfully so -- because of the way theyve underachieved the last couple years. theyre bringing back 6 of their top 7 scorers from last year. to me, theyve got some good pieces: size on the frontline, a couple good shooters on the perimeter, and a senior floorleader who has a ton of experience. nc-wilmington always puts a solid team on the floor, but they were down last year and dont bring back anyone that makes you say 'wow'. marshall is a perennial mac enigma, but im giving em a shot out of the gate
playing: marshall (+7.5)

purdue at miami,ohio (-3)
no value at all in playing miami, even though on paper, they should win by a few baskets. if this game was played 2 months from now, id be all over the redhawks. but as many mac guys could attest, a charlie coles-coached team will always struggle out of the gate and then be the one team you absolutely do not want to play come late in the season and in the mac tournament. theyve got some studs on this team, but they have been, and will always be, a far better team after christmas than before. miami should challenge buffalo for the mac east title, but they could burn some money early in the season. purdue doesnt excite me as a dog so ill pass

central mich at evansville (-11)
line is a little wacky, but central michigan is abysmal. chips were bad news last year and lost a lot from that group. maybe thats a good thing. but theyre bad. not sure why evansville is laying 11 points, because theyre no prize, but dont see central hanging in here. these two met in a bracket buster game last year and cmu somehow won 90-73. a truly ugly game that i want no part of.

toledo at vanderbilt (-6.5)
this one is definitely the crown jewel of the friday night mac card. two solid teams going at it. vanderbilt off their mini-ncaa run from last year; toledo brings back all five starters from a team that went to the nit last year. rockets are absolutely loaded on offense. its like im doing a writeup on their football team. toledo should be the highest scoring team in the mac this year, and theyve got scorers galore. triplett is back (again) and villegas and ingram came on strong to close the year last season. my main concern with them is their interior defense. pinson's 6-10, but other than that, theyre not real tall on the inside. vanderbilt is just that: a big team. toledo might be as good as anyone in the nation on the perimeter. but theyll only go as far as their inside guys take them. hopefully toledo's hoops guys learned something from their football counterparts about going into the non-conf season with overall high expectations. gridiron guys got smashed by minny and kansas before waking up and playing to their potential and preseason ranking. gonna make a small play on the rockets to score their way to a cover.
playing: toledo (+6.5)

new mex st vs. western michigan (in alaska) (-10.5)
broncos football team might be a joke this year, but the wmu basketball team is pretty solid. williams (mac player of year) is gone, as is kahn on the inside, but their other three starters from last years mac championship team are back, and ben reed is a stud. media has them 3rd in the west. i think they can finish as high as 2nd or as low as 4th. its basically toledo followed by wmu/ball state/emich in the west. emich could surprise some people, but thats neither here nor there right now. not in a rush to lay double-digits on a neutral court in alaska, but nmsu is overmatched. i want to see how wmu adjusts to losing williams before i throw money on or against em.
 
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i was somewhat surprised by the large number sitting beside Drake Friday night. I really expected a line of 3-5 for this one. Akron should be able to operate inside IF they can negotiate Dr. Toms pressure defense. As you know, I am not a big fan of Dru, and after seeing the Zips tune up against Ashland, I was not thrilled with their guard play in general. I really think that the Zips success this year will depend largely on the development of Frosh guards Middleton and Walther.

A couple of positives do exist in the return of red-shirted junior Peterson, and the depth of this team. I really like Peterson,, he is not spectacular by any stretch but does everything well. He can be physical, defends, and can score inside and out. As far as the depth issue goes, the Zips can run 10 deep without a significant loss of talent and have plenty of big bodies and fouls to give.

In short,if the Zips can keep their turnovers to a minimum, they can stay in this one, but if they struggle against the press,( and I suspect that they will) they could get smoked.

FWIW : Drake drilled Robert Morris by 65 in their tuneup. :scared
 

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good stuff spang. like many here, ill be looking for your akron posts this winter. you tell it like it is with no bullshit. it seems akron is really high on middleton. if he can contribute, thatll help a lot. like you said, joyce is a definite question mark. right now, i look at akron and see a boatload of great athletes, and its up to dambrot to make em a basketball team. down the road, they could be a dangerous team capable of pulling upsets because of how athletic they are. but, as im sure youll agree, the growing pains are inevitable. theyre gonna have to do the little things right to start the season (dont throw the ball all over the place, knock down FTs, etc). as far as the line goes, im with you -- i expected 4 or 4.5. 8 is a lot, but cant trust the kids this early.
 

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Couldn't agree more G.
I'll temper my enthusiasm over the Bulldogs dismantling of Robert Morris after reading that they went to the stripe 70 times.What a great flow that game must have had :142lmao:

I am on the Redhawks though, It's always a huge deal when the Big 10 comes calling, so I think the 'hawks will be so ready for this one. I also think that Miami's Danny Horace will elevate his game to a higher level, and be a very special player this season. As you probably recall, he had a few injury problems last season.

Best of luck !
 

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Might be right with you on Marshall --- that's a lot of points considering how bad UNCW was offensively last year. UNCW does play nice defense every year, but catching 7.5 in aa defensive battle is appealing. Honestly wouldn't be shocked if the Herd stole a win here late.

Best of luck to you tonight.
 

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Hey GMan question on the Syracuse line, was wondering what your thoughts are. I like Cuse again just because I love their zone, but was what I don't get is how the line is smaller tonight than it was for the Miss State game. Personally I think Miss State is a stronger squad than Memphis, so I was suprised this line wasn't around 5.5 or so. My only thought is due to the physicality of the game last night the linesmakers might think Syracuse is a little more beat up than Memphis is from their St Mary's game.

With that being said I might just be better off waiting until half time because the line value will probably be with Cuse 2h. Just wondering what you think about the line tonight as compared to last night, and why Memphis is catching less points than Miss State did.
 
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blackman:
sorry for the late response. just got back in. imo, line doesnt surprise me just for the same reasons that it DOES surprise you. i think memphis is better right now than mississippi state. whether memphis is better than miss state three months from now remains to be seen. but calipari has those guys ballin right now. its early, but memphis could be even better than preseason ranking. obviously they havent played anyone of substance yet, but i still think theyre gonna be for real.this is gonna be an awesome game. two really good teams and really good coaches going at it. line actually is right where i expected it. cuse a basket or so better, but almost a tossup game imo.
 

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doubt toledo gets within the original number, but feel good about taking a shot with 'em in the 2h.

toledo 2nd half +2.5

rockets started the game ice cold from the floor. missed 11 of their first 12 shots. once they settled in, they made a couple of runs. rockets have too much offensive firepower not at least play an even-up 2nd half. ingram/villegas/triplett went 3-16 in the 1h. that trio is too good to struggle like that in the final 20:00. vandy is a solid bunch, but i dont see em running away with this.
 
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