Bush League

[jr11]

Someone tell me that is justified...calling a fake punt up 24 with 7 minutes to go. One day paybacks are going to be a bitch. If only one of them would get hurt...like that wide receiver on a few plays earlier. I am now a fan of whoever they play in the title game. And no, I don't have any action on this game. Total BS!

jr11

 

[vinnie]

That was poor

 

[ELVIS]

jr, it was not very classy, but there i sgood reason for it. when the people wake tomorrow that didn't watch the game they will assume nd was dominated. after the first q they really were. jmo

everyone is frustrated with this bcs (the c is silent).

 

[mjalam]

you do it to make it the margin of score bigger..they say it doesn't matter, but when everybody compares teams, they say so and so team beat them by this many and this team barely beat 'em...its all relative

 

[Nole]

Well, since you don't have action on the game, YES!!!!. Had the over large!!!!


I don't think Carroll is worried about payback. This season is all that matters.

Hope all is well with you and the misses. Shoot you an e-mail soon.

Take care jr11.

nole

 

[oldschoolcapper]

he is a solid #1, so he doesn't have to worry about style points. maybe he will get a question about after the game


osc

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

What else was he going to do? He couldn't run out the clock with that pansy offensive line. 34-10 vs. 41-10 wouldn't make a difference. Classless move by a classless coach.

 

[Scott4USC]

Enough With The Fake Punt BS

The fake punt was a terrific move because it gives USC's final two opponents yet one more thing to worry about and to have to defend. It is Carroll's job to win the games. Up till now, exactly what teams have really had to prepare for a Trojan fake punt? Now, will teams have to spend time preparing for that or won't they?

I hate the Irish, no decent Trojan fan with any self-respect cares if the coaching staff is still throwing with 10 seconds left in the game, not when it's the Little Green Munchkins. Notre Dame is USC's biggest rival and we are theirs. What do you think Gentle Ty would do if he had the chance. God, I can't wait until next year. I want to run it up with Touchdown Jesus looking on.

Remember, after USC scored, Carroll put in all 2nd string players as he always does in the 4th quarter. Lets say USC punted and Carroll put in his 2nd string defense. They get scored on by ND. Game over, USC wins 34-17. Instead, USC was up 41-10 and if ND scored against USC reserves, USC still wins 41-17. Big difference. With 7min. left against your rival, that is NOT running up the score. Sorry. Against a pac 10 opponent you might have an argument. I guarantee USC will do the same against UCLA next week. BLOW YOUR RIVALS AWAY! Thats what USC fans want. Why not?

*Oh yeah, USC hosted many 5 star national recruits at tonights game. Another reason to pour it on and put on a good show.

Factoid:

In 1966 and Notre Dame beat USC 51-0 because Ara wanted to be #1. The freaking Irish were still throwing -- with their first team no less -- with 5 minutes left in the game.

Factoid #2

What did Ty do against Stanford? REMEMBER?

 

[gman2]

scott:

funny how you had a problem with stoops running it up a few weeks ago against kansas.

of course, now that its carroll doing it (and doing it with a fake punt no less), apparently its all good.

frankly, i couldnt care less about usc, auburn, or oklahoma.

but you shoot holes in your own credibility and objectivity when you tell us what a great call it was by carroll to call a fake punt up 24 points late in the game.

something for other teams to prepare for?

funny. a week ago, you were telling us that usc was saving their playbook for the orange bowl.

apparently, carroll didnt get your memo.

you mean other teams have to prepare for a fake punt possibility? i mean, only 117 division 1-A teams have a fake punt in their playbook. im pretty sure every special teams coach is aware that a fake punt could happen on a 4th down snap.

like i said, i certainly dont care what carroll does.

but your objectivity is shot when you talk out of both sides of your mouth on an issue.

bottom line:

carroll wants to run it up just as much as the other coaches do. you can remove the do-no-wrong halo from his head any time now. he is justifiably as ruthless as stoops or any other coach.
and thats a fact.

 

[Scott4USC]

gman2

USC was up 24pts against their rival, let me repeat, RIVAL. 7min. left in the game and inside ND territory. Did you watch the whole game? Carroll had his 2nd stringers in after that.

Stoops against Kansas, let me repeat, KANSAS, had his starters in with less than 3min. in the game with White throwing a pass if I remember correctly. BIG DIFFERENCE!

Carroll will run it up against his rivals. I have no problem with that. I have a problem running up the score against inferior opponents. Carroll has put in 2nd/3rd stringers against non rival opponents as early as the start of the 4th quarter. Tonight against rival ND he had them in late 4th quarter.

Remember, USC was up 24pts. Not 30+ pts.

If you have a problem with that, that is your opinion. But I think there is a difference. Against rivals, I hope USC pounds it on. USC should pound it on against UCLA as well. ND has done it against USC in the past many times. Look at my factoid for an example to support my opinion. Rivalry games are completly different. When USC did the fake and USC scored later, that excited the crowd because it was against ND. USC's rival. Get it?

Think about it!

carroll wants to run it up just as much as the other coaches do. you can remove the do-no-wrong halo from his head any time now. he is justifiably as ruthless as stoops or any other coach.
and thats a fact.

NOPE! You are wrong. Ask every pac 10 coach and they will say Carroll is a class act. GO read post game quotes. I know Stoops and WSU HC said that. Against rivals, it is a different ball game.

funny. a week ago, you were telling us that usc was saving their playbook for the orange bowl.

apparently, carroll didnt get your memo.

YES THEY ARE! I said USC puts on offensive showcase against their rivals and bowl opponent the last 2 years. That USC plays their best ball at the end of the year. Looks like it is happening AGAIN except the USC run defense was sub par tonight. Also USC's running game as pretty poor but I have to credit the excellent ND front 7 for that.

USC this year has not spread the offense out like that tonight. They are now bringing out the Chow playbook. Plus USC is finally healthy on offense.

FYI, if you watch the game close, USC ran the bubble screen pass to the TE twice tonight. They also ran it last game. That play sets up another play which you will see either against UCLA or Bowl Game. Just an example of plays setting up big plays when USC needs them. If this was a close game, Chow would have busted it out.

 

[gman2]

scott:

i hate to say it, but youre bordering on being a delusional fan, which is sad because you actually have good knowledge of the team personnel and program.

but do you realize youre trying to convince someone that theres a 'big difference' between:

1) running it up when youre up 30 (oklahoma) and running it up when youre up 24 (usc)

are you on drugs?

a fake punt is far more insulting than someone passing the ball late in the game.

at least stoops had the nuts to line up his offense to attack a defense that was trying to stop him.

usc resorted to trickery up by 24. thats tantamount to someone hitting you with a punch when youre looking the other way.

if youre going to run it up, then 'look the guy in the eye' while youre doing it.

line up and go for it. you shouldnt need to use deception if youre all-world like usc and up 24.

just look the other coach in the eye. have him put his defense out there. have your offense out there. and then run the play and see if he can stop you.


as for reading post game quotes (referring to other coaches saying carroll is class), you might want to introduce yourself to a football term called 'coachspeak', and brush up on your 'coaching cliches and interview protocol'.

every coach in the friggin world says great things about the opposing coach to the press. wake up.

as for running it up against inferior opponents, well vegas installed usc as a 25 point chalk. thats a pretty good indication that the opposition is inferior.

 

[Scott4USC]

gman2

I can understand if someone thinks it is running it up. You make good arguments. This is actually the first time EVER Carroll has been accused of running it up. Last 2 years I think USC took a knee against ND but USC was winning by more than 24pts and not #1 in the country with a BCS system.

That said, IT IS A RIVALRY GAME! ND owns the USC series against USC. ND had a 13 game win streak against USC. ND has run it up against USC many times in the past. USC fans want to beat ND badly. USC fans don't care if it is running it up or not, bush league or not. It is a RIVALRY game and there was 7min. left in the game.

I hate it when coaches run up scores. HOWEVER, rivalry games are different IMO and there was 7min. left and up by 24pts.

Carroll did send in his 2nd stringers at the end of the game.

The Colisium was rocking tonight and majority enjoyed it. IN MY OPINION, it was ok what Carroll did. ONLY because it was a rivalry game.

Remember what TY did to Stanford last year? REMEMBER?

Carroll has NEVER run it up against a PAC 10 opponent or an OOC opponent. NEVER been accused of running up scores either until now. I agree you can make an argument of it running it up but I think that gets thrown away since it is a rivalry game and USC as up by 24pts. If USC was up 35pts, then maybe I wouldn't call the fake punt. Just my opinion.

 

[Scott4USC]

TY QUOTE

"Was the fake punt inappropriate? No way. We play the game of football and that is part of it."

 

[gman2]

scott:

i think the post you just made should have been the one you originally posted, because what you just posted is more reasonable and unbiased.

to reiterate: i dont necessarily have a problem with what he did.

just call it like it is. it was an attempt for usc and carroll to run it up.
it doesnt make him any less of a coach. it doesnt make usc look bad. its really not THAT big a deal. hes not the first coach to run it up and he wont be the last.

my point to you was that carroll cant be 'exonerated' just because it was a rival. it was no different than stoops a few weeks ago. and like i said, stoops at least lined up and went right at the kansas defense.

again, the call (fake punt) wasnt a huge issue with me because its the bcs at stake and its a rival.

but just call a spade a spade. it was an attempt to run it up. thats all.

good win for usc in the end. props to your boys.

 

[ezpickin]

gman2

I have a problem running up the score against inferior opponents. .

Uh...I think there goes your credibility defending Carroll's fake punt...unless you now want to try to tell us Notre Dame is not an inferior opponent! :142lmao: :142lmao: :142lmao:

 

[Captain Crunch]

Irregardless of whether it was classless or not, at what point does the defender become someone who is blocking for the player receiving the punt downfield or a cornerback defending a pass. It seems to me that you could get a first down on every punt if the defender is blocking all the way down the field and the punter throws the ball in the general direction of the guy running down the field who initially is going to try and tackle the guy receiving the punt and then turns into a receiver. Am I missing something here. Pass interference=automatic first down. :shrug: :shrug:

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

Ty didn't do anything thing against Stanford last year, it was an on-field check down of what a punter (Fitzgerald) should do when there's a 10-man rush on.

I didn't have any problem with the Trojans throwing late in the game as they couldn't run, but looking for an interference call on a punt return. If you have no problem with it, it says a lot about you and even more about the coach.

 

[THE KOD]

Factoid:

In 1966 and Notre Dame beat USC 51-0 because Ara wanted to be #1. The freaking Irish were still throwing -- with their first team no less -- with 5 minutes left in the game.

...............................................................

Got to love them Irish.

Hope next year they can repeat that score
vs the condoms.

KOD

 

[dr. freeze]

Scott from USC is a complete idiot and anything he says about college football is so misguided by his abnormal obsession for USC that he is borderline psychotic

 

[Scott4USC]

Scott from USC is a complete idiot and anything he says about college football is so misguided by his abnormal obsession for USC that he is borderline psychotic

Doesn't this qualify as a BASH and would NOT be tolerated?

Did I or anybody else call anyone names in this thread besides Dr. Freeze?

The Bashing Stops Today, Period

This thread was started by jr11 about BUSH LEAGUE by Carroll. Where did I make a negative comment to you Dr. Freeze? Or anybody else? I think you need to show some class.

gman2

I think because it is a rivalry, Carroll shiould be exonerated. That is just what I think and I know you and many others feel differently. If USC was up 40pts against ND, then I think it would be classless to do the fake punt. But i can see your argument against Carroll and is justified.

They always say throw everything out in a rivalry game. I think that also applies to running it up!