Auburn #1 ???

[hoyt]

College football is as rigged as Professional Wrestling. Check out these facts about Auburn Football and the SEC this year, and why this year's Auburn team could be the greatest college football team and the SEC is the greatest conference of all time. Auburn and the SEC is being violated right now. I wish the head coaches if LSU, Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, and South Carolina luck in recruiting against the big 12 or pac 10. It must be nice for SEC coaches to have to say, 'come to my school where we can go undefeated, win the conference championship, and win our bowl game and still finish no higher than 3rd in the BCS.'



The SEC has 5 teams in the top 20 (AP/Coaches) more than the Big-12 and Pac-10 combined.

The SEC has 4 teams in the final BCS top 15, the same as the Pac-10 and Big-12 combined.

There are more mid-majors in the top 20 than in the Big-12.

There are more mid-majors in the top 20 than in the Pac-10.

Auburn has won more games against 9 win teams than OU and USC combined.

Auburn has won more games against 9 win teams than the entire Pac-10 conference.

Auburn has won more games against 9 win teams than the entire Big-12 conference.

Auburn has won as many games against 9 win teams as the Pac-10 and Big-12 conferences combined.

The Sugar Bowl pits the SEC Champ against the ACC Champ. There are 5 teams in the top 20 in the SEC, 4 in the top 20 in the ACC. That's 9 schools in the top 20 represented by their conference champions in the Sugar Bowl.

There are more top 20 teams in the ACC and SEC than the Pac-10, Big-12, Big-10, and Big East combined.

There are more top 20 teams in the ACC and SEC than the Pac-10, Big-12, and every mid-major conference combined.

And, one interesting factoid...

Should Auburn, UT, UGA, and LSU win out, Auburn will have defeated 5 teams with 10 wins. That would be the toughest schedule in the history of college football.

 

[ET4646]

Blah Blah Blah, Auburn's the greatest team ever, I'm surprised they even let teams west of the mississippi play football :142lmao:

 

[OKD]

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Fun with numbers!

Why do use "top 15" in some of your stats, "top 20" in others, and no "top 5" or "top 25" anywhere?

Why "9 win" teams? Why not "8 win" teams, or "10 win" teams?

Should Auburn, UT, UGA, and LSU win out, Auburn will have defeated 5 teams with 10 wins. That would be the toughest schedule in the history of college football.

So you're counting an Auburn victory over itself as a win over a team with 10 wins.

Also, Tennessee, in its current state, is not good. Their record is not indicative of their overall quality (as evidenced by their weak showings against Vandy, Kentucky and Notre Dame). Counting them for two of your wins over a team with 9 wins is not impressive.

 

[oldschoolcapper]

okd,

with a win over VT and UT, UGA, and LSU winning bowl games that would give them 5 wins over 10 win teams.


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[Scott4USC]

AP has AU #3
Coaches Poll has AU #3
Computers have AU #3

Who has AU #1??? Are all 3 biased against AU and the SEC???

AU has played a Strength of Schedule ranked #62 in the country and you want to proclaim them the best team in the country? GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK! :142lmao:

USC SOS #8
OU SOS #23
AU SOS #62

Then again, you keep on bragging about these huge quality wins of Auburn. AP, Coaches Poll, 6 computer polls, and me ALL DISAGREE WITH YOU!

As for bowl teams. Remember, the SEC is a 12 team conf and they have a certain # of automatic bowl games. Also remember, you only need 6 wins to become bowl eligible. So lets see, play 3 or 4 $hit OOC teams (cuz your conf. is so mighty) and win 3 conf. games and you are in a bowl game. Is that so impressive?

LSU has wins over....

Oregon State
Arkansas St.
Mississippi St.
Florida
Troy
Vanderbilt
Alabama
Mississippi
Arkansas

LSU struggled against Oregon St., Troy, and Ole Misss. Should have lost to OSU and Troy. Also had to make huge comeback to beat Florida. LSU wins are a complete joke!


UGA has wins over....

Georgia Southern
South Carolina
Marshall
LSU
Vanderbilt
Arkansas
Florida
Kentucky
Georgia Tech

UGA did not look good against S. Car., Marshall, and Arkansas

Tenn. has wins over

UNLV
Florida
Louisiana Tech
Georgia
Ole Miss
Alabama
South Carolina
Vanderbilt
Kentucky

Tenn. looked BAD against Kentucky and Vandy.

WHY ARE YOU SO ENAMORED BY THESE 3 TEAMS AND WHY DOES AUBURN BEATING THEM MAKE AUBURN THE BEST TEAM IN THE COUNTRY? Let me guess, because AU plays in the SEC!

 

[oldschoolcapper]

scott,

what is your point???

USC looked bad against va. tech, stanford, oregon st., and ucla and you think they are that much better than AU and OU???

it still kills me that you use sagarin's skewed numbers for SOS.

There are several computer geeks that have Auburn's SOS stronger that OU or Southern Cal...including those at the NCAA.


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[Scott4USC]

scott,

what is your point???

USC looked bad against va. tech, stanford, oregon st., and ucla and you think they are that much better than AU and OU???

USC did not dominate in every game but USC went 12-0 playing the #8 ranked SOS. USC also beat 2 teams ranked in the top 10. USC has a much better resume any way you look at it. USC also is 2-0 in their last 2 BCS bowl games in the last 2 years. USC has the nation's 2nd longest winning streak and has only lost 1 game in the last 2 years (lost it in triple OT). USC has earned it and I give OU the nod as well for similar reasons. I still hve not read a valid argument as to why AU deserves it over USC and/or OU. For anybody who thinks pre-season rankings should be thrown out did not think about that too long. There are major flaws in throwing out/delaying pre-season rankings. CFB always had pre-season rankings and I think USC and OU earned their pre-season #1 and #2 rankings.

it still kills me that you use sagarin's skewed numbers for SOS.

There are several computer geeks that have Auburn's SOS stronger that OU or Southern Cal...including those at the NCAA.

What computer poll SOS do you use and how do they determine their SOS? EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THEY DETERMINE THEIR SOS!!!! I think Sagarin has the most "valid" SOS. Here is why.

"The SCHEDULE ratings represent the average schedule difficulty faced by each team in the games that it's played so far. The schedule
difficulty of a given game takes into account the rating of the opponent and the location of the game.

In COLLEGE FOOTBALL the W-L records include ALL games, but ONLY games between the 239 TEAMS RATED here are used for RATING and SCHEDULE STRENGTH computations."

Other computers SOS use wins/losses only. That is completely BOGUS! All the other SOS i see people quoting have major flaws. Find the major flaw in his "calculation" of SOS AND tell me why his SOS is less valid than the others. I explained why his is more valid. Very easy to understand and reason with. That is why MOST people use SAGARIN when they quote SOS. The other computer polls SOS is bogus and I can tear apart each and every one. So tell me which ones you think are more valid?

Then again, all 6 computers had AU ranked 3rd in the country. Supporting my argument. What do you offer to support your argument? What did you offer to support your opinion against Sagarin SOS? Couldn't find anything.

 

[hoyt]

Scott,

I don't guess I understand where you are coming from. All I am trying to do is make a case that Auburn should have a chance to play for the National Championship. You sit here and pick apart Tenn., Georgia, and LSU and all three are ranked in the top 20 and have been all year. You can say what you want about SOS, but the NCAA web site has Auburn with a stronger strength of schedule. you can pick and choose your numbers all day if you want, but that does not justify you implying that Auburn is not worthy of the top spot. Maybe the SEC is down this year, I can agree with that, but you can not take away from what this football team has done all year. Auburn has the #1 ranked defense in the country, but in your opinion they are no good and did not play a worthy opponent. You have to make comments which are derogatory towards Auburn and the teams they play because you yourself question whether or not your teams should be there.

 

[ET4646]

USC started the year #1 and won every game, why the **** should they be bumped for Auburn. Teams don't get to choose there conference schedule so don't want to here the SEC is better bullshit. Play a tougher OOC schedule, that you can control.

 

[Master Capper]

Scott, please disclose your source of strength of schedule because USC played the 28th toughest schedule whereas Auburn played the tenth toughest,

 

[ET4646]

It must be the same one the three jerk offs from ESPN use they had the SOS the same as Scott does.

 

[Master Capper]

ET4646,

The only non biased strength of schedule is the NCAA own strength of schedule the rest are slanted. Even if you just take Auburn's and USC opponets records combined for the year Auburn still has quite a lead as I believe the USC opponets were a combined 51% winners whereas Auburns opponets won 57% of their games.

 

[ET4646]

Yeah I have no idea just reporting what I heard on ESPN.

 

[hawkeye]

I feel the two best teams in the nation are playing fro #1

 

[Phenom]

chris or barron? Auburn should be in the game, but Oklahoma will beat USC...

 

[pt1gard]

i think honestly if you ask yourself if these teams played a round robin on neutral field 3 different times they might all wind up 3-3, its that close IMO, too bad for auburn this year, I mean that, but too bad for usc last year; looks like OU got the benefit for prob longer tradition under stoops if nothing else in voters minds ...

lets face it, these 3 teams are all damned good

take care
gregg

 

[Woodson]

As an Auburn graudate and a fan who attends the games, I'm excited to be heading to the Sugar Bowl. Its something we haven't accomplished since 89'. And haven't won since 84'.

War damn eagle!

See ya at the game.

 

[Betone]

I think that after usc loses to oklahoma and Auburn wins .....will be another shared title.

 

[hoyt]

Chris

 

[Scott4USC]

Scott, please disclose your source of strength of schedule because USC played the 28th toughest schedule whereas Auburn played the tenth toughest,

NO, I asked you to disclose where you get your SOS and explain why it is the best/most valid way to determine SOS. I have repeatedly explained where I get my SOS (sagarin) and I have repeatedly explained why it is the most valid AND I have shown why the other computers SOS are bogus.

ET4646

Sagarin is the SOS the ESPN crew quotes and the same computer poll "MOST" people quote because it is the most valid. The computer poll MC is quoting you determines SOS solely by wins/losses. Doesn't factor team strength, location of game etc. So if team A scheduled 10 teams from all the lesser conf. who have 8/9/10/11 wins they will have a MUCH TOUGHER SOS than a team who plays in a BCS conf. who plays teams with 3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10/11 wins. Get it? IT IS BOGUS and I have no clue why ANYBODY would quote the NCAA SOS. Another example. Beating a crappy team from some unknown conf. who has 10 wins will be considered a stronger team than say Georgia who has 9 wins on the year. Why? Cuz that other team has more wins. Its flawed if you ask me! There is not flawless SOS calculation, but Sagain by far is the most valid. If anyone disagrees, I challenge you explain why. Nobody accepts the challenge.

hoyt

I respect Auburn and it is unfortunate they went undefeated and can't play in the BCS NC game. IT SUCKS! However, it is NOT unfair because USC and OU are more worthy/have a better resume. The BCS is designed to get the best 2 teams to the BCS NC game. That means leaving others out. All 3 system criterias had AU #3. ALL THREE!

So don't read into my posts as putting AU down, they accomplished a lot, but I was merely explaining why USC and OU should be there and are there. Sometimes to prove a point, you have to come across putting something down and that is Auburn. But by no means do I think AU is an over-rated team or wouldn't have a chance at beating USC or OU.

Betone

I think that after usc loses to oklahoma and Auburn wins .....will be another shared title.

HIGHLY UNLIKELY! Maybe if AU wins by 30+pts and OU barely beats USC (say by luck) and USC/OU look sloppy as hell.