The BCS is a fraud that must go

[Master Capper]

Im sick and tired of hearing these University President's lying out of the side of their mouth and saying that we cannot have a playoff system because it would extend the season for our student athletes. Tell me how can we have extended seasons in Div1AA, Div2, Div3, NAIA? The lower divisions are where the real student athletes actually do exist, these students more than likely are receiving very little financial assistance and a ton of the education cost is coming out of the pockets and usually at these smaller schools the academic programs are more challenging. So how can these lower divisions extend their seasons by three to four games? These lower rung divisions make very little money during the season and are usually lucky to break even for the season even if they extend their season with a playoff run but yet they can stage a 16 team playoff but the more well off temas in Div1A cannot.

 

[CWood97]

The sad thing is, its really simple to make a playoff happen. For example, use this model by CFB News:

http://cfbnews.com/2004/Bowls/CFN_Championship_Series.htm

The only thing this doesn't clean up is what happens to the bowl system, which I will address.

Play the first round at home sites, the week after the conference championship games (this year Dec 11th). Have two games at noon, two games at 3:30, two games at 7:00, and two games at 10:00PM. The ratings would be insane, the matchups awesome. Could you imagine Miami going to play Michigan in the snow in December! How about USC going into the swamp? Now thats what I'm talking about. Throw all of the first round losers into the "bowl pool" with the rest of the non-playoff qualifying bowl eligible schools. Those bowls not included in the round of eight or final four (will get to that in a minute) choose amongst that pool and have their games.

Second Round (great eight) - Four games. Spread them out from the Saturday following the round of 16 to Christmas Eve. Use the Citrus Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Holiday Bowl and the Fiesta.

Final Four: January 1 and just thereafter (per current). Rose, Sugar or Orange (rotate). If at all possible, Big Ten or Pac Ten or both play in Rose. If not, the Rose Bowl committee can get bent.

Championship: Week before the Super Bowl at the Rose, Sugar or Orange.

A few things of note:

- Keep the season limited to 11 games. This way, the most games anyone ends up playing is 16.
- Revenue goes way up due to the tourney TV deal, first round home games and the fact that all the bowl games still exist.
-Just TWO TEAMS in 1-A play longer into January than in the current system.
-Regular season is still huge. Think Michigan wouldn't regret having two losses vs being undefeated? This year, those losses would be the difference between going to Cal in the first round and playing Toledo or Pitt at home.
-and most importantly, NO MORE BITCHING! If you can't win your conference, than you have no legs to stand on. If you're lucky enough to get in without winning your conference, than good for you. Make the most of it.

Why oh why can't this happen :cursin:

 

[Master Capper]

Cwood,

Love the plan, too bad it's too logical for these morons to understand

 

[Sun Tzu]

If there were a playoff it would be the end of conference championship games. You wouldnt want somebody knocked out.

 

[Master Capper]

well i assume that there would be wildcards for the playoffs so losing in a conf championship would not be a automatic out.

 

[Sun Tzu]

My point being if there a limited number of temas like 4 or 8 a conference title game loss can knock you out of the party. AS an example, IF say the wussy PAc 10 had a title game, Cal would play USC. If Cal lost, they would go forma 4 or 5 seed in a playoff to out altogether. USC if it lost would possibly lose a first round home game, not to mention get into a much tougher game. The money would really talk, and the money of a playoff would easily override a conference title game.

 

[Scott4USC]

I'll tell you what is a fraud. The 2 coaches who voted CAL 8th in the coaches poll. THAT IS FUC*ing BS. I hope Texas is proud that is how they got in. I am sure it was 2 Big 12 coaches who planned it. NO WONDER THEY ALL VOTED TO KEEP THEIR VOTES PRIVATE! That makes me so angry. :cursin: Feel real bad for CAL.

 

[marine]

Maybe they were the same 2 coaches that threw their votes for USC for #1 after the BCS title game last year.

someone is always bucking the system in these situations "to make a statement" whatever the heck that means. a real shame though. I don't think those 2 votes would put Cal back in the Rose bowl however, had they put cal in at 5 or 6 where they belong.

 

[Pujo21]

Well TEXAS POWERS have been blubbering and whining the past few weeks--lobbying, call it what you want.

California got jobbed.

The phoney Texas coach said he felt sorry for California because it happened to them last year. Well last year Texas was left out and went to The Holiday Bowl and lost anyway to Wash State., ironically the same Bowl that California is going to playing Texas Tech this year.

I was hoping to see California play Auburn...but that's not happening..

The same is true last year..how on earth did Oklahoma go to the BCS championship after just getting totally crushed, oblitterated by K.State... How does a team ( oklahoma) that can't even win its conference championship and not only lose but get ripped in it and then go to the BCS Championship ??????? Does this make sense?
What kind of idiotic logic was that. How does a team play for The National Championship when they can't even win their own conference??????????? Just How ????? It's Sick ! It's askew !! It's The BSC !!! That's how !!!!

Maybe if New England loses to The Steelers in The AFC Conference Championship..we can still as fans vote New England to go to The Super Bowl....he he he

i agree with Master Capper..college presidents are lying...

 

[Sun Tzu]

You guys need to get a clue. There were still 8 folks voting Texas 7th or worse. The coaches votes have always been private, this isnt a new thing. I have littel doubt those Pac 10 votes dont look any more funny, or less funny, than the Big 12. Oc urse, NEITHER conference has 8 coaches voting, so perhaps it was a conspiracy led by Miami Ohio, or Florida Atalntic. I can understand Cal complaining, but if you are going to do it at least know the facts.

I might add, if you did the math, even if those guys vorted Cal 4 or 5 it wouldnt give them enough points, such was the discrepancy in the computers.

And finally more than half of the writers in the State of Texas voted Cal ahead of Texas. Cal finished higher in both polls. Somehow, despite Scott telling us otherwise, those unbiased computers decided the PAc 10 sucked and that is THE reason Cal isnt in the Rose Bowl.

 

[Master Capper]

I hope those same coaches throw their votes to Auburn if they win out! Cal played no one outside the conf, and got hammered in the computer polls from playing in a top heavy league.

 

[Scott4USC]

Here are the facts.

LAST WEEK

ZERO coaches voted CAL 7th
ZERO coaches voted CAL 8th


THIS WEEK

FOUR coaches voted CAL 7th
TWO coaches voted CAL 8th

Three weeks ago (the one where CAL throttled Stanford and Texas was IDLE) showed even more movement of votes from Cal >>> Texas. Let me repeat myself, 3 weeks ago is where Texas gained dramatically on CAL after CAL destroyed Stanford (rivalry game) and Texas was idle. I found it odd that an IDLE team could gain so much ground on a team who destroyed a rival.

Shows even more clearly over the 3 weeks how the system was being MANIPULATED to bring about the favored outcome. .CROOKED as a dog's hind leg.

They convicted Peterson with less evidence. I hope the press picks up further on this (but seriously DOUBT they will).

 

[Sun Tzu]

What a surprise - Scott ignoring my post, I guess since he didnt like the facts.

Texas ggained on Cal 3 weeks ago not because they took votes from Cal - Cal's total went UP - but because Texas got all of the votes Michigan had at 5 after they lost to Ohio State. But again, let's not let facts get in the way.

And last of all, the favored outcome was Cal getting in, not Texas. Scott only you would think otherwise.

 

[Scott4USC]

Sun Tzu

Why would Texas, ranked below CAL, who is IDLE, get Michigans votes and not CAL? That makes little sense to me. These same voters had CAL ranked ahead of Texas. So what does UM losing have to do with Texas getting their votes over CAL when they had CAL over Texas. So if Michigan won out, Texas never would have gained on CAL. That makes no sense when these voters had CAL ahead of Texas.

In some ways, I don't feel too sorry for CAL because they did not play a great OOC schedule. .
THat said, when you compare Texas/CAL you can't really put Texas ahead of them especially when both polls have CAL ranked ahead of Texas. Both Texas and CAL played similar ranked SOS, although the computers favor the Big 12 over the Pac 10 and Texas beat CAL out in the computers. Computers have Big 12 and Pac 10 #1 and #2.

The most glaring difference is this. CAL outgained USC stat wise and was 10 yards away from upsetting USC @USC. Didn't get it done, period. Texas was outgained by OU and couldn't even get on the scoreboard. AP, coaches, have USC #1 and computers have OU #1. Texas played OU neutral field, CAL played @USC. Who was more impressive?

I think you can make an argument for Texas going, but I feel you can make a stronger argument for CAL going. Just my opinion and I feel the coaches poll was manipulated. Evidence is right there.

 

[Master Capper]

Texas played a tougher schedule that's why they got the votes

 

[Sun Tzu]

Scott you are less bright than I thought. If a voter has Cal 4, Michigan 5, and Texas 6, and Michigan loses, Texas moves to 5. They gain that point on every ballot. Cal stays at 4 - there arent any Michigan votes to give them. SoO Texas point total goes up. Cal's went up as well, because some folks had Michigan at 4, not many, and so on. Bottom line is Cal was close to maxed out in the 4 spot, and Texas was below them and thus even though both totals went up, Texas would go up more. It has absolutely nothing to do with taking votes from Cal.

Any argument about what a team did in a loss is absurd. I could mjust as easily argue, especially after the Oregon State, Stanford, and UCLA games it is further proof OU is better than USC. Your "objective" computers ALL have Cal behind Texas. Most have Cal behind Utah, and some have Cal behind others.

But feel free to continue to flip-flop on your criteria. Can I call you John, or would you prefer Senator Kerry?

 

[fla]

Cal/Texas.....Texas/Cal. You know what the real fraud is? That we'll never know.


Cal vs. Texas Tech? Well, Cal rolls them by 3 TD's if they are motivated. If we had a playoff every team would be motivated. :clap:

The BCS is an absolute joke. It doesn't pick the national champion. Just the two prettiest teams. Let's go back to the old system if there is no playoff. The OB used to be the Big 8. Rose Big 10/Pac 10, etc.

Nothing says 'tradition' for the Rose Bowl like the University of Texas.

Will anyone really care about the Rose Bowl besides the cities of Pasadena, Austin, Ann Arbor, UT and UM alums and fans, and bettors?

 

[stomie]

Who cares. Does your life change if Stanford or Toledo or Hawaii wins the shit bird cup.

 

[Sun Tzu]

Fla,

While I will go to the Rose Bowl because I havent before, I think the average Texas fan only marginally cares. It's a consolation prize. Worse, it gets the monkey off Mack's back (well one of them). Frankly I have come to think that bowls mostly exist for bettors. The Emerald Bowl - are you kidding? The Sun is thought of as a good bowl - who wants to go to El Paso.

While I want a playooff, dont kid yourself, we would have the same sort of problems. If it is 4 team, who is out this year - Texas, Cal, Utah?? If it is 8- Georgia? Va Tech? Louisville?Boise? In basketball teams get robbed, but generally it is a team that isnt going to win anyway. One 11 seed has madea Final FOur. I think the highest seed to win a title is 8, and there was a 6. If you aint in the top 4 you aint winning.

 

[Pujo21]

Sun Tzu..

Good Luck in that Texas Game and enjoy The Rose Bowl....If Texas gets out of The starting blocks early they can cover this game.

Boy i would love to go to this game.. And down the road from Pasadena two days earlier is California -Texas Tech.

Ernie Banks-Let's play 2. !!!!!!!!! I'd have to see both games since they are so close together