Need Bowl info Help!!!

The Big Tease

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Guys....I could have sworn that we had a thread in years past that had a bunch of systems/trends that apply to the bowl games.

Example......take Team A when Team B won their last 2 games of the year....and crap like that.

I have searched the archives and cant find it!!!!
 

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OK.....cool, obviously since you are such a good handicapper, you dont need it.....

However, I believe there is something to be said for black and white numbers in situations like this......

CAL thinks all along they are going to the BCS....last minute get kicked out.....how does a team respond in that spot?

There was a thread that had ATS numbers in certain situations......I thought it was helpful.

If you dont want to help.....stay out...pretty simple.
 

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I thought I was helping. I believe you did actually use the word crap. What some other team did 3 years ago doesnt matter. If Texas reacted badly to losing a BCS bid last year it doesnt mean Cal will this year. Statistics on things like that can get distorted into anything you want. And even if they were slanted one way, it could just as easily mean a "correction" is impending. Pretty simple.
 

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sorry,not sure 100% what your looking for, do you mean stuff like this?



Most critics will continue to knock the BCS system and point out flaws from all angles. Still, the system was created to put No. 1 against No. 2 and that?s exactly what we got.



Okay, so how do we go about playing this year?s games? There have been 24 BCS games since its inception in 1998. The favorites are 15-9 straight up and 13-11 against the spread. The number could be worse, but the underdogs rallied with a 3-1 both SU and ATS mark last season.



If you?re going to play underdogs in the BCS, then history shows that you should play them on the money-line. The ?dog has won the game outright nine out of 11 times when covering the number. The only two underdogs that have lost and still covered the number are Stanford (+14) in 1999 and Texas A&M (+13 ?) in 1998.



Also, if you?re looking for a close game or a classic battle, then the BCS may not be your cup of tea. Only 25 percent (6) of the 24 games have been decided by single-digits. Eighteen victories have come by double-digits.



Speaking of double-digits, Utah is tabbed a 15-point favorite against Pittsburgh in the Fiesta Bowl. Can you believe that the 15-point line still isn?t the highest? Florida destroyed Maryland 56-23 in the Orange Bowl as a 15 1/2-point favorite in the 2000 season. I wouldn?t be surprised to see the Utes get banged to 16 or 17-point favorites, considering Urban Meyer?s team owns an impressive 11-0 SU and 9-2 ATS mark. I wouldn?t bet against Pittsburgh just yet, considering the favorites are 3-2 SU, but only 1-4 ATS as double-digits in BCS games.



Let?s take a closer look at all of the matchups:



2004

Orange: USC (-3) vs. Oklahoma

Sugar: Auburn (-7) vs. Virginia Tech

Rose: Texas (-7) vs. Michigan

Fiesta: Utah (-15 ?) vs. Pittsburgh



2003

Sugar: LSU (+6.5) 21 Oklahoma 14
Orange: Miami (+2) 16 Florida State 14
Rose: USC (-7) 28 Michigan 14
Fiesta: Ohio State (+7) 35 Kansas State 28



Comments: The underdogs were an impressive 3-1 both SU and ATS in 2003, including LSU unseating Oklahoma for the national championship. Three of the four games stayed ?under? the total.



2002

Fiesta: Ohio State (+12) 31 Miami 24 OT
Sugar: Georgia (-8) 26 Florida State 13
Orange: USC (-6) 38 Iowa 17
Rose: Oklahoma (-6 ?) 34 Washington State 14



Comments: The favorites were 3-1 both SU and ATS, winning all three games by double-digits. Ohio State pulled off the biggest BCS upset by defeating Miami 31-24 as a 12-point live underdog.



2001

Rose: Miami (-8 ?) 37 Nebraska 14
Fiesta: Oregon (+3) 38 Colorado 16
Sugar: LSU (-2) 47 Illinois 34
Orange: Florida (-15 ?) 56 Maryland 23



Comments: The favorites were 3-1 both SU and ATS. All four games were blowouts, with average margin of victory coming by 22.8 PPG.



2000

Orange: Oklahoma (+10) 13 Florida State 2
Sugar: Miami (-7) 37 Florida 20
Rose: Washington (-3) 34 Purdue 24
Fiesta: Oregon State (-4) 41Notre Dame 9



Comments: Four double-digit victories in the 2000 season. The favorites were 3-1 both SU and ATS.



1999

Sugar: Florida State (-6) 46 Virginia Tech 29
Fiesta: Nebraska (-4) 31 Tennessee 21
Orange: Michigan (+1) 35 Alabama 34
Rose: Wisconsin (-14) 17 Stanford 9



Comments: The favorites were 3-1 SU, but 2-2 ATS. Florida State captured the national title in a great Sugar Bowl against Virginia Tech and some guy named Michael Vick.



1998

Fiesta: Tennessee (+5.5) 23 Florida State 16
Orange: Florida (-7) 31 Syracuse 10
Sugar: Ohio State (-13 ?) 24 Texas A&M 14
Rose: Wisconsin (+9) 38 UCLA 31


Comments: The favorites were 2-2 SU, but the underdogs were 3-1 ATS. The ?under? was 3-1 in the four games.
 

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Thanks IE! I did happen to find a thread from DOGS THAT BARK that broke down how underdogs seem to cover before January 1 and favs cover after.

Now, I dont think that has a whole lot of relevance.....but I have kind of dug some other things up....that have to do with motivation of teams and what to look for.
 

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ok, good luck with it...
 

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These are not the numbers.....but this is what I am talking about....

Tips for handicapping bowl games
Ted Sevransky

The college bowl season is here with 28 games over the next month to handicap, bet and win.

Handicapping college bowls is much different from handicapping regular-season contests. Significantly more public money is bet on bowl games, which gives the sharp player an edge, year in and year out.

That?s if you?re paying special attention to some key factors.

Motivation is the key factor for any bowl game.

Overall talent and team speed don?t mean a thing when the players don?t give a hoot about being there. That?s why underdogs generally have such a strong record against the spread in the earlier bowl games.

The favorites are there because they had disappointing seasons and really don?t care much for spending a good part of the holiday season in places like Detroit, San Francisco, Fort Worth and Shreveport.

Meanwhile, underdogs are usually smaller conference schools that are excited to play a major conference foe, regardless of the location. If the favorite isn?t likely to be motivated (always check the local newspapers for clues about their level of preparation and intensity), the dog is the way to go.

Look for the areas of team strength that are not likely to be affected by a long layoff.

Remember, most teams will have been off the field for at least a month by the time they hit the big stage.

Teams that run the ball well are generally good bets in bowl games. Run blocking is not something that suffers dramatically during a layoff and good running backs are usually happy to have a month to rest and heal.

Teams that outrush their opponents cover the spread better than 75 percent of the time in December and January. But don?t neglect special teams. Special teams weaknesses have a nasty habit of popping up at the most inopportune times.

Bet the coach.

Some coaches seem to do well in bowl games almost every year, while others treat bowl games as a reward for their squads.

Bob Pruett of Marshall is 4-0 straight up and against the spread in the Thundering Herd?s last four bowl appearances, winning outright as a three times. Tom O?Brien of Boston College also has won and covered in each of his last four bowl appearances. Meanwhile, Mack Brown of Texas has only one spread cover in his last five bowl tries, losing straight up three times as a favorite.

These are not meaningless trends or statistical aberrations. They?re are a statement about how a particular coach is able to prepare his team for postseason play.

Look for motivated and talented quarterbacks.

Most QBs are team leaders. If a QB is prepared to make a statement for the scouts in his bowl game, he?s generally the type of quarterback worth supporting with a wager.

Senior quarterbacks who have demonstrated a "will to win" are your best bet.

Defense means more than offense.

The dominant defensive clubs are strong plays in bowl games almost every year. They create turnovers and hold leads.

Teams that fall behind in bowl games tend to get frustrated easier than they do in the regular season, which is one of the reasons why bowl season produces more than its fair share of blowouts. In each of the last two bowl seasons, more than half the games have been decided by double digit margins. Teams with the better quarterback (I)and(/I) the better defense are generally good bowl bets.

Look for teams on the hunt for respect.

When one club gets all the hype and publicity, and the other is virtually ignored by the media, the over-hyped team often comes in overconfident, while the under-hyped squad is usually more motivated. Pay particular attention to this in the later bowl games, when the media glare really heats up.

Handicap the conferences as a whole.

When a particular conference shows strength early in the bowl season, the remaining teams from that conference are often worth a play, or vice-versa.

Every year there is a conference or two that does exceptionally well in the bowl games. Catch these trends early and ride them through the conclusion of the bowl season.

Don?t be afraid to pass.

With so many bowl games and so many intangible factors to consider, there will be numerous matchups that simply don?t offer much value to bet on.

Remember that the entire bowl season has about half the games of a normal Saturday college football card. Sure, we know these teams well.

But we don?t have 20 or 25 plays on a normal college football Saturday and there?s no reason to have that many plays when the card is only half as large.
 
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