Are you kidding. A mess hall at dinner time is hit just at righ time and it's just luck. Come on Fox fair and balanced. :moon:
Mosul Attack Luck Said Fox
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I just saw that on fox news as well. They even had it on their 'ticker' that it was luck. WTF is that? Luck, skill, whatever. They're something else.
U.S. Military Base in Mosul Attacked
Tuesday, December 21, 2004
MOSUL, Iraq ? An attack on a U.S. base in Mosul (search) Tuesday killed at least 24 people ? among them 19 U.S. soldiers ? and wounded more than 60. A radical Islamic group claimed responsibility for the rocket attack in the northern Iraqi city.
Three other soldiers of unknown nationality also died, a military spokesman said in Baghdad.
But Lt. Col. Paul Hastings, spokesman for Task Force Olympia in Mosul, said 24 people died and 57 were wounded. It was not immediately possible to reconcile the different death counts.
"The number is very chaotic, we've had different numbers," Hastings said.
Lt. Bill Costello, speaking from Fort Lewis, Wash., where many of the soldiers were based, said earlier he did not know exactly how many of the casualties were Americans and how many were Iraqis.
Officials were having difficulties breaking down the toll of dead or wounded among the groups. Reports also differed as to whether mortars were used in the attack on the camp, which is based outside the predominantly Sunni Muslim city about 220 miles north of Baghdad.
The dead included U.S. military personnel, U.S. contractors, foreign national contractors and Iraqi army members, said Brig. Gen. Carter Ham, commander of Task Force Olympia in Mosul.
Halliburton spokeswoman Wendy Hall said seven of the dead were from its KBR subsidiary or its subcontractors. Halliburton and its subcontractors have lost 62 personnel while performing services under our contracts in the Kuwait-Iraq region, she said.
The base, also known as the al-Ghizlani military camp (search), is used by both U.S. troops and the interim Iraqi government's security forces.
The Ansar al-Sunnah Army (search) claimed responsibility for the attack in a statement published on the Internet. The statement said the attack was a "martyrdom operation" targeting a mess hall.
Ansar al-Sunnah is believed to be a fundamentalist group whose goal is to turn Iraq into a tightly controlled Islamic state like Afghanistan's former Taliban (search) regime. In August, the Sunni Muslim group claimed responsibility for the beheading of 12 Nepalese hostages.
Costello said the troops stationed at Forward Operating Base Marez (search), American and Iraqi alike, were tasked with providing stability and support in the northern region of Iraq.
"The [U.S.] soldiers and their Iraqi counterparts took action to evacuate those who were wounded and prevent a further loss of life," Costello said. The soldiers stationed at the base had recently been deployed to replace troops from the 3rd Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division, many of whom had participated in the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq more than a year ago, Costello said.
It was the deadliest single incident for U.S. troops since the start of the war in Iraq.
The cause of the blast, which happened at 12 noon local time, was under investigation.
Pentagon officials told FOX News' Bret Baier that they believed three separate rockets caused the explosions.
The attack came after a surprise visit to Baghdad by British Prime Minister Tony Blair (search), who met with his Iraqi counterpart Ayad Allawi (search).
Also Tuesday, kidnappers released two French reporters who had been held hostage in Iraq for four months.
Embedded Reporter Describes Grisly Scene
Jeremy Redmon, a reporter for the Richmond, Va., Times-Dispatch embedded with the troops in Mosul, also reported that 24 were killed in the attack, including two from the Richmond-based 276th Engineer Battalion, which had just sat down to eat.
He reported 64 were wounded, and civilians may have been among them, he said.
The attack occurred at lunchtime in a large mess tent crowded with soldiers, according to Redmon. He said the force of the explosions knocked soldiers off their feet and out of their seats.
Amid the screaming and thick smoke in the tent, soldiers turned their tables upside down, placed the wounded on them and gently carried them into the parking lot, Redmon said.
Scores of troops crammed into concrete bomb shelters, while others wandered around in a daze and collapsed, he said.
"I can't hear! I can't hear!" one female soldier cried as a friend hugged her.
The shelling blew a huge hole in the roof of the tent, and puddles of blood, lunch trays and overturned tables and chairs covered the floor, Redmond reported.
Near the front entrance, troops tended a soldier with a serious head wound, but within minutes, they zipped him into a black body bag, he said. Three more bodies were in the parking lot.
"It is indeed a very, very sad day," Ham said.
It made no difference whether the casualties were soldiers or civilians, Americans or Iraqis, Ham said. "They were all brothers in arms taking care of one another," he said.
White House spokesman Scott McClellan, responding to a question as to how Iraqis will be able to go to some 9,000 polling places on Jan. 30 if U.S. troops can't secure their own bases from attacks, said there was "security and peace" in 15 of 18 provinces in Iraq.
Mosul a Staging Ground for Insurgents
Mosul, Iraq's third-largest city, was relatively peaceful in the immediate aftermath of the fall of Saddam Hussein's regime last year. But insurgent attacks have increased dramatically in the past several months and particularly since the U.S.-led military operation in November to retake the restive city of Fallujah from guerrillas.
Mosul was the scene of the deadliest single incident for U.S. troops in Iraq. On Nov. 15, 2003, two Black Hawk helicopters (search) collided over the city, killing 17 soldiers and injuring five. The crash occurred as the two choppers maneuvered to avoid ground fire from insurgents.
Earlier in the day, hundreds of students demonstrated in the center of the city, demanding that U.S. troops cease breaking into homes and mosques in the city.
Also Tuesday, Iraqi security forces repelled another attack by insurgents as they attempted to seize a police station in the center of the city, the U.S. military said in a statement.
"An Iraqi police station came under attack by indirect and small arms fire during a coordinated effort by insurgent fighters to overrun the station in central Mosul," the statement said. "The Iraqi police successfully repelled the attack."
Tuesday, December 21, 2004
MOSUL, Iraq ? An attack on a U.S. base in Mosul (search) Tuesday killed at least 24 people ? among them 19 U.S. soldiers ? and wounded more than 60. A radical Islamic group claimed responsibility for the rocket attack in the northern Iraqi city.
Three other soldiers of unknown nationality also died, a military spokesman said in Baghdad.
But Lt. Col. Paul Hastings, spokesman for Task Force Olympia in Mosul, said 24 people died and 57 were wounded. It was not immediately possible to reconcile the different death counts.
"The number is very chaotic, we've had different numbers," Hastings said.
Lt. Bill Costello, speaking from Fort Lewis, Wash., where many of the soldiers were based, said earlier he did not know exactly how many of the casualties were Americans and how many were Iraqis.
Officials were having difficulties breaking down the toll of dead or wounded among the groups. Reports also differed as to whether mortars were used in the attack on the camp, which is based outside the predominantly Sunni Muslim city about 220 miles north of Baghdad.
The dead included U.S. military personnel, U.S. contractors, foreign national contractors and Iraqi army members, said Brig. Gen. Carter Ham, commander of Task Force Olympia in Mosul.
Halliburton spokeswoman Wendy Hall said seven of the dead were from its KBR subsidiary or its subcontractors. Halliburton and its subcontractors have lost 62 personnel while performing services under our contracts in the Kuwait-Iraq region, she said.
The base, also known as the al-Ghizlani military camp (search), is used by both U.S. troops and the interim Iraqi government's security forces.
The Ansar al-Sunnah Army (search) claimed responsibility for the attack in a statement published on the Internet. The statement said the attack was a "martyrdom operation" targeting a mess hall.
Ansar al-Sunnah is believed to be a fundamentalist group whose goal is to turn Iraq into a tightly controlled Islamic state like Afghanistan's former Taliban (search) regime. In August, the Sunni Muslim group claimed responsibility for the beheading of 12 Nepalese hostages.
Costello said the troops stationed at Forward Operating Base Marez (search), American and Iraqi alike, were tasked with providing stability and support in the northern region of Iraq.
"The [U.S.] soldiers and their Iraqi counterparts took action to evacuate those who were wounded and prevent a further loss of life," Costello said. The soldiers stationed at the base had recently been deployed to replace troops from the 3rd Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division, many of whom had participated in the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq more than a year ago, Costello said.
It was the deadliest single incident for U.S. troops since the start of the war in Iraq.
The cause of the blast, which happened at 12 noon local time, was under investigation.
Pentagon officials told FOX News' Bret Baier that they believed three separate rockets caused the explosions.
The attack came after a surprise visit to Baghdad by British Prime Minister Tony Blair (search), who met with his Iraqi counterpart Ayad Allawi (search).
Also Tuesday, kidnappers released two French reporters who had been held hostage in Iraq for four months.
Embedded Reporter Describes Grisly Scene
Jeremy Redmon, a reporter for the Richmond, Va., Times-Dispatch embedded with the troops in Mosul, also reported that 24 were killed in the attack, including two from the Richmond-based 276th Engineer Battalion, which had just sat down to eat.
He reported 64 were wounded, and civilians may have been among them, he said.
The attack occurred at lunchtime in a large mess tent crowded with soldiers, according to Redmon. He said the force of the explosions knocked soldiers off their feet and out of their seats.
Amid the screaming and thick smoke in the tent, soldiers turned their tables upside down, placed the wounded on them and gently carried them into the parking lot, Redmon said.
Scores of troops crammed into concrete bomb shelters, while others wandered around in a daze and collapsed, he said.
"I can't hear! I can't hear!" one female soldier cried as a friend hugged her.
The shelling blew a huge hole in the roof of the tent, and puddles of blood, lunch trays and overturned tables and chairs covered the floor, Redmond reported.
Near the front entrance, troops tended a soldier with a serious head wound, but within minutes, they zipped him into a black body bag, he said. Three more bodies were in the parking lot.
"It is indeed a very, very sad day," Ham said.
It made no difference whether the casualties were soldiers or civilians, Americans or Iraqis, Ham said. "They were all brothers in arms taking care of one another," he said.
White House spokesman Scott McClellan, responding to a question as to how Iraqis will be able to go to some 9,000 polling places on Jan. 30 if U.S. troops can't secure their own bases from attacks, said there was "security and peace" in 15 of 18 provinces in Iraq.
Mosul a Staging Ground for Insurgents
Mosul, Iraq's third-largest city, was relatively peaceful in the immediate aftermath of the fall of Saddam Hussein's regime last year. But insurgent attacks have increased dramatically in the past several months and particularly since the U.S.-led military operation in November to retake the restive city of Fallujah from guerrillas.
Mosul was the scene of the deadliest single incident for U.S. troops in Iraq. On Nov. 15, 2003, two Black Hawk helicopters (search) collided over the city, killing 17 soldiers and injuring five. The crash occurred as the two choppers maneuvered to avoid ground fire from insurgents.
Earlier in the day, hundreds of students demonstrated in the center of the city, demanding that U.S. troops cease breaking into homes and mosques in the city.
Also Tuesday, Iraqi security forces repelled another attack by insurgents as they attempted to seize a police station in the center of the city, the U.S. military said in a statement.
"An Iraqi police station came under attack by indirect and small arms fire during a coordinated effort by insurgent fighters to overrun the station in central Mosul," the statement said. "The Iraqi police successfully repelled the attack."
I was just getting ready to post same link Matt. I heard it as it came of news on tv.
No where did I hear you are Smurph speak of them saying very possible inside job which they did in conjucture with their word luck--which was used in accuracy of hit which considering their fireing rockets everyday and this was 1st direct hit on target I would conclude a great part of luck was involved. The biggest error in their report was later when they reported explosions from "rocket propelled gernades' it wasn't rpg's it was rocket/rockets
No where did I hear you are Smurph speak of them saying very possible inside job which they did in conjucture with their word luck--which was used in accuracy of hit which considering their fireing rockets everyday and this was 1st direct hit on target I would conclude a great part of luck was involved. The biggest error in their report was later when they reported explosions from "rocket propelled gernades' it wasn't rpg's it was rocket/rockets
I didn't hear them speculate about an inside job, but i'm sure they did. As far as the 'luck' thing goes, it's just absurd to throw that in there. Sure, it was 'lucky', but wtf difference does it make. They aimed for the general area, hit the mess hall while full. Sure, a 'lucky' hit.
It's their way of downplaying it. As in, 'oh, that was just a lucky shot (3 lucky shots).' As if that somehow minimizes it, or makes it less likely for something like it to happen again. Just a stupid choice of words.
It's their way of downplaying it. As in, 'oh, that was just a lucky shot (3 lucky shots).' As if that somehow minimizes it, or makes it less likely for something like it to happen again. Just a stupid choice of words.
way to go GW, yeah i really think we're making a difference in iraq! kids keep getting killed for NOTHING. ray say what?
Dave You might ask the people in Afgan their thoughts on if it was for nothing--Since they don't have oil I assume you all think it must be for their poppies--Right?
and I must also assume that taking Saddam his sons and these terrorists out of commision are of no consequence---Correct?????
terrorist scorecard in Iraq----
IRAQ
Faraj Ahmad Najmuddin aka Mullah Krekar Leader of Ansar al-Islam Apprehended (February 2003) In custody but the girlie Norwegians may release him
Abu Baker al-Tawhid Cofounder with Krekar of Ansar al-Islam At Large Iraq
Aso Hawleri Ansar al-Islam military commander Apprehended (Oct 2003) In Custody
Hassan Ibrahim Farhan Senior aide to AMZ Killed (Dec 2004) Hell
Abdullah al-Janabi Zarqawi's deputy, Emir of Fallujah Killed-Unconfirmed (Nov 2004) Hell
Omar Hadid AMZ's top military man in Fallujah Killed-Unconfirmed (Nov 2004) Hell
Umar Baziyani Zarqawi's # four al-Tawhid wal-Jihad's "Emir of Baghdad" Captured (May 2004) In Custody
Abu Abdallah Suri Member of Al-Tawhid Wal-Jihad Killed (October 2004) Hell
Mahi Shami Zarqawi's deputy Killed (September 2004) Hell
Abu Waleed Saudi Zarqawi's deputy Killed (November 2004) Hell
Hussein Salim Emir in the Kurdish north At Large Iraq
Abdullah Abu Azzam Emir of the Western province of Anbar At Large Iraq
Abu Tallah Emir of Mosul At Large Iraq
Abu Muhamed Military emir of Baghdad At Large Iraq
Hassan Ibrahim Head of T&J's media department. Filmed the Berg beheading At Large Iraq
Khadi Hassan Hassan Ibrahim's lieutenant At Large Iraq
"Adil" Hassan Ibrahim's lieutenant At Large Iraq
"Othman" Smuggles Jihadis from Iran to Baghdad At Large Iraq
Sheik Zafir al-Ubaidi Radical cleric-"spiritual guide" to Fallujah fighters At Large Iraq
Abu Abdullah Hassan bin Mahmud The leader of Ansar al Sunnah reponsible for beheadings At Large Iraq
Mo'ayed Ahmed Yassin aka Abu Ahmed Leader of an Iraqi terror cell made up of former Ba'athist military and police. Apprehended In Custody-Iraq
Ahmed Samaka Attacking US convoys around Fallujah At Large Iraq
Majed Abu Darah A district security chief under Saddam Hussein who controls a band of ex-Republican Guards At Large Iraq
Abu Sa'd ad-Dulaymi Spokesman for the Consultative Council of the Mujahideen of al-Fallujah At Large Iraq
Abu Mohammed Hamza al-Tawhid wal-Jihad explosives expert Dead (February 2004) Hell
Abdulaziz al-Hakim Iranian backed military commander of SCIRI At Large Iraq
Muhammad Khalid Iraqi buying arms for AQ in Pakistan Apprehended (November 2004) In Custody
Shahab Ahmed Member of Ansar al_Islam Apprehended In Custody-Iraq
Muhammad Khalid Member of Ansar al_Islam Apprehended In Custody-Iraq
Didar Khalan Member of Ansar al_Islam Apprehended In Custody-Iraq
Nidal Arabiyat Agha Hamza AMZ's bomb maker Dead Hell
Husam al Yemeni Member of Ansar al_Islam Apprehended In Custody-Iraq
Mullah Fouad aka Muhammad Majid AMZ's suicide bomber specialist At Large Iraq
Abdul Hadi Daghlas aka Abu Taisir AMZ's relative - Al-Qaeda WMD expert Dead Hell
Mustafa Tlass Power behind the throne in Syria, Running terror ops in Iraq At Large Syria
Mohammed Sultan Al-Qaeda Operative/Messenger Apprehended (July 2004) In Custody
Mohammad Salman Eisa aka Ibraham Al-Qaeda Operative Apprehended (Aug 2004) In Custody
and I must also assume that taking Saddam his sons and these terrorists out of commision are of no consequence---Correct?????
terrorist scorecard in Iraq----
IRAQ
Faraj Ahmad Najmuddin aka Mullah Krekar Leader of Ansar al-Islam Apprehended (February 2003) In custody but the girlie Norwegians may release him
Abu Baker al-Tawhid Cofounder with Krekar of Ansar al-Islam At Large Iraq
Aso Hawleri Ansar al-Islam military commander Apprehended (Oct 2003) In Custody
Hassan Ibrahim Farhan Senior aide to AMZ Killed (Dec 2004) Hell
Abdullah al-Janabi Zarqawi's deputy, Emir of Fallujah Killed-Unconfirmed (Nov 2004) Hell
Omar Hadid AMZ's top military man in Fallujah Killed-Unconfirmed (Nov 2004) Hell
Umar Baziyani Zarqawi's # four al-Tawhid wal-Jihad's "Emir of Baghdad" Captured (May 2004) In Custody
Abu Abdallah Suri Member of Al-Tawhid Wal-Jihad Killed (October 2004) Hell
Mahi Shami Zarqawi's deputy Killed (September 2004) Hell
Abu Waleed Saudi Zarqawi's deputy Killed (November 2004) Hell
Hussein Salim Emir in the Kurdish north At Large Iraq
Abdullah Abu Azzam Emir of the Western province of Anbar At Large Iraq
Abu Tallah Emir of Mosul At Large Iraq
Abu Muhamed Military emir of Baghdad At Large Iraq
Hassan Ibrahim Head of T&J's media department. Filmed the Berg beheading At Large Iraq
Khadi Hassan Hassan Ibrahim's lieutenant At Large Iraq
"Adil" Hassan Ibrahim's lieutenant At Large Iraq
"Othman" Smuggles Jihadis from Iran to Baghdad At Large Iraq
Sheik Zafir al-Ubaidi Radical cleric-"spiritual guide" to Fallujah fighters At Large Iraq
Abu Abdullah Hassan bin Mahmud The leader of Ansar al Sunnah reponsible for beheadings At Large Iraq
Mo'ayed Ahmed Yassin aka Abu Ahmed Leader of an Iraqi terror cell made up of former Ba'athist military and police. Apprehended In Custody-Iraq
Ahmed Samaka Attacking US convoys around Fallujah At Large Iraq
Majed Abu Darah A district security chief under Saddam Hussein who controls a band of ex-Republican Guards At Large Iraq
Abu Sa'd ad-Dulaymi Spokesman for the Consultative Council of the Mujahideen of al-Fallujah At Large Iraq
Abu Mohammed Hamza al-Tawhid wal-Jihad explosives expert Dead (February 2004) Hell
Abdulaziz al-Hakim Iranian backed military commander of SCIRI At Large Iraq
Muhammad Khalid Iraqi buying arms for AQ in Pakistan Apprehended (November 2004) In Custody
Shahab Ahmed Member of Ansar al_Islam Apprehended In Custody-Iraq
Muhammad Khalid Member of Ansar al_Islam Apprehended In Custody-Iraq
Didar Khalan Member of Ansar al_Islam Apprehended In Custody-Iraq
Nidal Arabiyat Agha Hamza AMZ's bomb maker Dead Hell
Husam al Yemeni Member of Ansar al_Islam Apprehended In Custody-Iraq
Mullah Fouad aka Muhammad Majid AMZ's suicide bomber specialist At Large Iraq
Abdul Hadi Daghlas aka Abu Taisir AMZ's relative - Al-Qaeda WMD expert Dead Hell
Mustafa Tlass Power behind the throne in Syria, Running terror ops in Iraq At Large Syria
Mohammed Sultan Al-Qaeda Operative/Messenger Apprehended (July 2004) In Custody
Mohammad Salman Eisa aka Ibraham Al-Qaeda Operative Apprehended (Aug 2004) In Custody
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Give Saddam the credit that Iraq was not as screwed up as it is now.
Yes it was a bad place because he was tough on most. But they had electricity, food, and water. And I don't remember reports of bombing every day. As for he being bad that leaves us with many places we could have invaded that are bad. Including Afgan. DTB your right Afgan was not about oil. It was about 9/11 and Bin. The real causes for national unity. Oil comes into play in Iraq.
In any case this was not luck.
Yes it was a bad place because he was tough on most. But they had electricity, food, and water. And I don't remember reports of bombing every day. As for he being bad that leaves us with many places we could have invaded that are bad. Including Afgan. DTB your right Afgan was not about oil. It was about 9/11 and Bin. The real causes for national unity. Oil comes into play in Iraq.
In any case this was not luck.
"Give Saddam the credit that Iraq was not as screwed up as it is now."
you got to be kidding me
Germany and Japan certainly looked better also---food-electricity-water--and free showers and transportation to them
you got to be kidding me
Germany and Japan certainly looked better also---food-electricity-water--and free showers and transportation to them
Germany and Japan made one mistake. They invaded other countries. I don't think Iraq did that since 91. But we did. Lets give them there country back.
I thought this attack was from a suicide bomber. I saw the posted story Tuesday, but heard somewhere suicide bomber with a backpack of explosives. Which one is it for sure?
I posted an email in general discussion from our Bowling Green young man who was actually in this facility when this happened. It's quite a read.
I posted an email in general discussion from our Bowling Green young man who was actually in this facility when this happened. It's quite a read.
SixFive said:
Yep. Reporting it as a suicide bomb attack my end too.
Not such a 'lucky' hit after all. Pretty hard to miss when you're standing there.
