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Maybe after the election things will calm down. Yeah, that's the ticket.



Tipster lures Iraqi police to house bomb, 28 killed
Wednesday, December 29, 2004 Posted: 8:43 AM EST (1343 GMT)


BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- At least 28 people, including several Iraqi police officers, died when a house exploded in western Baghdad Tuesday night, Baghdad police said.

Initial evidence suggested the police walked into a trap set by insurgents who lured them into the house with an anonymous call after a nearby gun battle, which started about 8:30 p.m. (1:30 p.m. ET).

Iraqi police said 28 people died in the blast, but the number of police officers among the dead is uncertain. The U.S. military said at least four police officers were killed, but a Baghdad police official put the number at nine.

Police decided to enter the house two hours after the anonymous caller told them it was an insurgent hideout, a police official said.

Explosives inside the house ignited just as police entered it, killing the police and civilians, a police official said.

The house was in the Ghazaliya neighborhood of western Baghdad, the location of frequent clashes with insurgents.

An Interior Ministry official said 21 people were hurt and three other houses were destroyed.

A U.S. military statement said it is believed between 1,700 to 1,800 pounds of explosives were rigged to go off inside the house.

In earlier attacks, insurgents killed 18 Iraqi police and five Iraqi troops in three Iraq cities Tuesday, nearly a month shy of the nation's scheduled elections.

The attacks came one day after an audiotape believed to be from al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden called on Iraqis to support Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's terror campaign in Iraq.

Near Tikrit, insurgents killed 12 Iraqi police officers and destroyed the Um Kashifa police station, U.S. military officials said.

Also near Tikrit, insurgents attacked a police checkpoint, killing one Iraqi police officer and wounding two others, according to Capt. Bill Coppernoll of the U.S. 1st Infantry Division.

Four attacks on police checkpoints near Balad, about 50 miles south of Tikrit, killed five Iraqi police officers and wounded three, Coppernoll said.

Six miles south of Baquba, a suicide car bomber targeted Iraqi national guard troops at a traffic circle as they were working on the aftermath of an earlier roadside bombing, the U.S. military said.

The attacks began when a roadside bomb wounded three soldiers with an Iraqi national guard convoy near the Maffrak traffic circle in the Mualemeen neighborhood, the military said.

A second roadside bomb was found at the attack scene and an Iraqi explosive ordnance disposal team was called in to remove it.

As the removal team worked, the suicide car bomber drove through a security cordon, setting off the vehicle bomb, killing a civilian and wounding 26 other people.

The Maffrak traffic circle has been a frequent scene of clashes between insurgents and coalition forces.

In Baghdad, a suicide car bomber targeted a top officer of Iraq's national guard as he was leaving his home for work, an Iraqi police official said.

The parked car bomb exploded near a gas station, killing its driver and wounding five Iraqi civilians, the U.S. military and Iraqi police said.
 

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I doubt if things calm down much after elections. Terrorist have the optimum battlefield in Iraq. They can kill civilians-behead people including civilians and at what cost if caught. The are jailed with the civil liberties whiners crying about "their" rights.
The liberal media can't wait to run 43 days of front page articles of these poor terrorist being subjected to humiliation--tisk tisk.
You can't fight terror with limp wristed tactics-and since terrorist greatest fears stem from family and religion that is where we atack.

Give me 500 mercenarys with no accountability to liberals,their media or any other countries--- giving them same rules of war as the terrorists to play by--- and I'll cut the etrocities--by the terrorist-- in half.

Let me set up camp in open area in desert just out of morter range about a mile from Mosel or the next hot spot.Build me a jail with windows facing courtyard containing about 50 starving pigs.
All remains of suicide bombers in Iraq will be fed to pigs(the worst possible scenerio to Muslims) with the prisoners watching from their windows.Prisoners will be tried by designated court contained within camp, no media-no lawyers--just level playing field to their tactics.Those found guilty will meet same fate as remains of suicide bombers--again in view of other prisoners--and those found innocent will be immdediate released so they can "spread the word".

If you think those captured won't be singing like chior boys think again--much more effective than-- sit here and let us feed you till we provide you an attorney and civil rights assistance.

While being quite effective I agree it would be quite barbaric---but then again it doesn't make sense either to go on about the terrorist killing innocent civilians and then complaining their rights are being abused.
 

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The mercenary idea has been floated and roundly denounced by people who are familiar with their activities. In fact, I think O'Reilly had a piece about it a couple of months ago.

Also, you have to remember that we have to keep the high moral ground. We can't take on the role of Nazis, which is essentially what we would be doing by dipping to the levels you suggest.
 

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DTB once again you want to blame the liberals for Bushs stupid war. I, do not see war as a liberal or a conservative thing by the way. But be that as it may, you seem to be forgeting that Bush has the House, he has the Senate, he has the press, yes he has the press and not just Fox. He is in charge, not the liberals. He is fighting this war like the stupid crook that he is. No more and no less.
 

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I agree we can't take role of nazi's Nick but remember they would hypothetically have no allegence to us--but we know the coalition would be held accountable and rightly so--Situation was used as scenerio of option that would be effective but not practicle.

I am not blaming liberals for war--I think that goes 100% to Bush and his backers--I do blame liberal media for trying their best to see it fails--if you disagree you sure haven't seen the Algezeera/NYT mirrored articles I been posting here since beginning of war--and many post in this forum appear to come right out of Algezeera comments sections.
If you don't think many in U.S. and in this forum can't wait to wake up to bad news you haven't been reading papers or this forum.

Algezeera quoting Washington Post today--
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/03022C1D-AA16-4F6C-83FD-762C095A1219.htm

and quoting the Carter clan and CNN--
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/15BC52A7-AA34-4853-AABC-16F803F2D8BF.htm

Algezeera on election--note their emphasis on "The Big Media" they don't like L word either ;)


http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2FF2717B-9DD1-4F78-B181-898A90B1AE18.htm

"The Bush campaign put out these commercials and for weeks the Kerry campaign, The New York Times and the CBS, CBC, the big media, if you will, did not pay attention to them. They thought that they were a group of flakes that you did not have to pay much attention to. And they did not realise what was happening," Kasten said.

---and speaking of Washinton Post they had atricle with Slick chiming in backing U.N. idiot per below--nowhere do I see mentioned that the U.S. gave 40% of all aid given by entire world in last fiscal year.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...041229/ts_washpost/a32337_2004dec28&printer=1

"Among the world's two dozen wealthiest countries, the United States often is among the lowest in donors per capita for official development assistance worldwide, even though the totals are larger. According to the Paris-based Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development of 30 wealthy nations, the United States gives the least -- at 0.14 percent of its gross national product, compared with Norway, which gives the most at 0.92 percent."

---if you want fair and balanced you can get them at Fox---

"We gave $2.4 billion last year; 40 percent of total contributions by all countries," said U.S. Agency for International Development (search) Administrator Andrew Natsios. "We are by far the largest donor ? no one even comes close to us."

In dollar terms, the United States leads the world in foreign aid from government sources. But individual and corporate charity from the United States also exceeds that of any other developed nation, and those donations exceed official government expenditures. Last year, Americans donated billions to international causes.

"Americans give $240 billion overall each year to charity. Only 2 percent of that money is for international causes, so we're talking about $5 billion," said Daniel Borochoff, president of the American Philanthropy Association (search).

as they say at Fox we report you decide----
 
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Fair and balanced at Fox? You are joking right? I can pull things out and prove just about anything. Bush is getting away with murder and the press isn't doing anything to stop it. This guy led us into war under false pretenses. If the Press cared half as much about that as they did a solied dress maybe then I coulkd call them fair.
 

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In all fairness I think the press in on its heels after getting caught making false reports--using forged documents and their ratings dropping to almost 0---I think "we the people" set them staright on their liberal agenda's.

One axiom people from all sides look for is the truth--and while there is biased from both sides and truth is somewhere in the midst---The bloggers might be the new truth--didn't take them long to put Rather on the street--my kudos award goes to the military bloggers who had Kerry changing his bogus military credentials on his website daily with alterations and withdrawals--
some more noted was his "SEARED Memerory" of spending Christmas in Cambodia--bogus silver star alteration on 3 diff occasions incuding the phony V device that cause Naval investigation--his twice self inflicted injuries for purple hearts he nominated himself for--one changed from bleeding arm to bruised arm--his noted shrapnel in leg when it was in his ass afer running from grenade he threw in rice bin--and I could go on and on but you should get drift by now.
 

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You have to understand the motivation that people have for wanting the war to fail. Let me give you an analogy....

Peace lovers routinely claim that all wars are bad because so many lives are lost and so many things are destroyed. The argument against that (a correct argument in my opinion), is that by invading another country we are saving more lives in the long run and making the world a better place.

The same argument applies to people secretly hoping that the U.S. loses in Iraq. Yes, it is sad that many American soldiers will lose their lives, but stopping this attempted overhaul of the Middle East before it really gets going will save more lives in the long run and make the world a better place. That is why it is incredibly hypocritical to call someone anti-American just because they hope the U.S. loses the war in Iraq. They just have a different opinion on what's best for the long term health of this country.

Where I agree with you is that I find it disingenuous that a lot of people (including many in the media) hide behind the politically correct idea of, 'supporting the troops,' when in fact they would prefer that the troops made a stand and refused to fight a war that should have never happened in the first place. That is why you see these people who go AWOL practically lionized by some in the press. I'll freely admit that there are many liberals out there afraid to go as far as to publicly say that they hope the U.S. loses military battles and therefore decides to withdraw from Iraq, but believe that in private.
 

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Bush just has four years left. The last two know one will listen anymore. So don't worry about plans to overhaul the middle east.
Worry about keeping Homeland Security as a priority.
 

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I don't want America to lose the war in Iraq. I just think it is a stupid war and I do not think that we should reward the liars and crooks who got us into it with another 4 years. I don't know how we get out of this mess. I just know that we should not rely on the people who got us into it to get us out of it.
 
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