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and another today. This should really add to the liberal voting block next election 
From D.C. we have proof its not the guns its the people.
As you read article below let me remind you of a few facts-- In 2002 "all homicides" not just handguns totaled 72 in San Fran on the year--while during same year they had 438 aids cases.
So they back gay marriage and want to ban handguns
-----more logic from the left. :142lmao:
San Francisco Considers Handgun Ban
Saturday, January 01, 2005
SAN FRANCISCO ? The city that bucked state law and sanctioned gay marriage (search) is now taking aim at the constitutional right to bear arms (search) by proposing a ban in San Francisco on private ownership of all handguns.
"When you get guns out of people's homes and off the streets, it means that that gun is not going to be used in a shooting that kills someone, whether a murder or an accidental shooting," said Chris Daly, supervisor of San Francisco.
San Francisco officials are pushing a ballot measure to prohibit just about everyone who isn't a cop, security guard or member of the military from having a handgun in their home or office.
Supporters of gun rights, however, say the ban would deny basic rights.
"What it's really about, the end game is, taking away civilians' firearms and depriving them of the most effective tool that there is for self-defense," said Chuck Michel, spokesman for the California Rifle and Pistol Association (search).
Despite state laws that prevent local governments from banning handguns, the city believes doing just that will stem a wave of homicides that's left 87 people dead this year.
Washington, D.C., banned handguns in response to its skyrocketing homicide rate in 1976. But nearly three decades later, it had more murders per capita than any other city its size.
Opponents are already planning lawsuits, but argue that even if it does pass, this ban won't stop crime as law-abiding citizens give up their guns while the criminals flock to a city that ensures they won't be shot at by the people they're robbing.
"And what's going to happen if this passes is people in San Francisco are going to be deprived of their ability to defend themselves," Michel said.
"I don't feel like I need to own a gun to protect myself. Certainly, I am a high-profile elected official and now a lot of gun owners don't like me individually, but if I'm in a situation where I feel threatened, I'll call the police," Daly said.
If approved by voters next year, the ban will take effect in 2006.
Click in the box near the top of the story to watch a report by FOX News' Claudia Cowan.
From D.C. we have proof its not the guns its the people.
As you read article below let me remind you of a few facts-- In 2002 "all homicides" not just handguns totaled 72 in San Fran on the year--while during same year they had 438 aids cases.
So they back gay marriage and want to ban handguns
-----more logic from the left. :142lmao:
San Francisco Considers Handgun Ban
Saturday, January 01, 2005
SAN FRANCISCO ? The city that bucked state law and sanctioned gay marriage (search) is now taking aim at the constitutional right to bear arms (search) by proposing a ban in San Francisco on private ownership of all handguns.
"When you get guns out of people's homes and off the streets, it means that that gun is not going to be used in a shooting that kills someone, whether a murder or an accidental shooting," said Chris Daly, supervisor of San Francisco.
San Francisco officials are pushing a ballot measure to prohibit just about everyone who isn't a cop, security guard or member of the military from having a handgun in their home or office.
Supporters of gun rights, however, say the ban would deny basic rights.
"What it's really about, the end game is, taking away civilians' firearms and depriving them of the most effective tool that there is for self-defense," said Chuck Michel, spokesman for the California Rifle and Pistol Association (search).
Despite state laws that prevent local governments from banning handguns, the city believes doing just that will stem a wave of homicides that's left 87 people dead this year.
Washington, D.C., banned handguns in response to its skyrocketing homicide rate in 1976. But nearly three decades later, it had more murders per capita than any other city its size.
Opponents are already planning lawsuits, but argue that even if it does pass, this ban won't stop crime as law-abiding citizens give up their guns while the criminals flock to a city that ensures they won't be shot at by the people they're robbing.
"And what's going to happen if this passes is people in San Francisco are going to be deprived of their ability to defend themselves," Michel said.
"I don't feel like I need to own a gun to protect myself. Certainly, I am a high-profile elected official and now a lot of gun owners don't like me individually, but if I'm in a situation where I feel threatened, I'll call the police," Daly said.
If approved by voters next year, the ban will take effect in 2006.
Click in the box near the top of the story to watch a report by FOX News' Claudia Cowan.
Who's looking out for you??????????
---- more from 9th districtcourt of appeals----
Prison Too Pernicious
The liberal 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco has ruled that a twice-convicted rapist legally held beyond his scheduled release date for treatment can sue over his jail conditions because "purgatory cannot be worse than hell."
Oscar Jones (search), who was jailed under California's Sexually Violent Predator Act sued the county claiming he was strip searched and blocked from practicing his religion during that period. The ninth circuit ruled Jones should not have been subjected to conditions any worse than those at a hospital and has allowed his lawsuit to proceed.
---and what about this one---
Jury Told New York Lawyer Chose to Aid Terror Message
Mon Jan 3, 4:07 PM ET Top Stories - Reuters
By Gail Appleson
NEW YORK (Reuters) - A U.S. criminal defense lawyer could have blocked an imprisoned Islamic cleric from stirring his followers to renew terror attacks in Egypt, but instead she chose to be a messenger in the plot, a federal prosecutor said on Monday.
"She had all the power in the world to stop it," argued the prosecutor in closing arguments in the closely watched case against Lynne Stewart, a liberal New York lawyer known for representing the poor and unpopular.
Her trial is being followed by the nation's defense lawyers, some of whom are worried the Bush administration is trying to intimidate attorneys who represent suspected terrorists and other unpopular clients.
Stewart, 65, has denied wrongdoing and her defense is set to begin its closing arguments as early as Tuesday afternoon.
She is charged with breaking the law while working for radical cleric Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman. He was convicted in 1995 of conspiring to attack U.S. targets, in a plot that prosecutors say included the 1993 bombing of New York's World Trade Center.
After Abdel-Rahman began serving a life term upon conviction, Stewart, together with the cleric's former paralegal and his translator, used attorney-client visits to the prison to smuggle "terroristic" messages to and from Abdel-Rahman, the charges say.
The three are accused of helping Abdel-Rahman communicate with the Islamic Group, which prosecutors say is a terrorist organization and the cleric its spiritual leader.
Among the charges is that they helped pass messages from Rifai Taha, a militant Islamic Group leader, to Abdel-Rahman in prison. Taha urged the end of a cease-fire the group had observed since its 1997 attack in Luxor, Egypt, when nearly 60 foreign tourists were slain.
In 2000, Stewart called a Reuters correspondent in Egypt and read a news release issued by the cleric saying he had withdrawn his support for the cease-fire. That correspondent was subpoenaed in the case.
Stewart maintains that she was merely doing her job. She said she had represented her client vigorously as required by ethical rules that guide an attorney's behavior.
But Andrew Dember, Assistant U.S. Attorney, told the Manhattan federal jury that smuggling such messages and sending out a press release calling for a return to violence in Egypt "has absolutely nothing to do with being a lawyer."
"It has to do with illegal matters, not legal matters."
Stewart is named is four counts including two that accuse her of participating in a conspiracy and providing and concealing" material support to terrorist activity." Those two charges carry a total maximum prison term of 15 years.
---- more from 9th districtcourt of appeals----
Prison Too Pernicious
The liberal 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco has ruled that a twice-convicted rapist legally held beyond his scheduled release date for treatment can sue over his jail conditions because "purgatory cannot be worse than hell."
Oscar Jones (search), who was jailed under California's Sexually Violent Predator Act sued the county claiming he was strip searched and blocked from practicing his religion during that period. The ninth circuit ruled Jones should not have been subjected to conditions any worse than those at a hospital and has allowed his lawsuit to proceed.
---and what about this one---
Jury Told New York Lawyer Chose to Aid Terror Message
Mon Jan 3, 4:07 PM ET Top Stories - Reuters
By Gail Appleson
NEW YORK (Reuters) - A U.S. criminal defense lawyer could have blocked an imprisoned Islamic cleric from stirring his followers to renew terror attacks in Egypt, but instead she chose to be a messenger in the plot, a federal prosecutor said on Monday.
"She had all the power in the world to stop it," argued the prosecutor in closing arguments in the closely watched case against Lynne Stewart, a liberal New York lawyer known for representing the poor and unpopular.
Her trial is being followed by the nation's defense lawyers, some of whom are worried the Bush administration is trying to intimidate attorneys who represent suspected terrorists and other unpopular clients.
Stewart, 65, has denied wrongdoing and her defense is set to begin its closing arguments as early as Tuesday afternoon.
She is charged with breaking the law while working for radical cleric Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman. He was convicted in 1995 of conspiring to attack U.S. targets, in a plot that prosecutors say included the 1993 bombing of New York's World Trade Center.
After Abdel-Rahman began serving a life term upon conviction, Stewart, together with the cleric's former paralegal and his translator, used attorney-client visits to the prison to smuggle "terroristic" messages to and from Abdel-Rahman, the charges say.
The three are accused of helping Abdel-Rahman communicate with the Islamic Group, which prosecutors say is a terrorist organization and the cleric its spiritual leader.
Among the charges is that they helped pass messages from Rifai Taha, a militant Islamic Group leader, to Abdel-Rahman in prison. Taha urged the end of a cease-fire the group had observed since its 1997 attack in Luxor, Egypt, when nearly 60 foreign tourists were slain.
In 2000, Stewart called a Reuters correspondent in Egypt and read a news release issued by the cleric saying he had withdrawn his support for the cease-fire. That correspondent was subpoenaed in the case.
Stewart maintains that she was merely doing her job. She said she had represented her client vigorously as required by ethical rules that guide an attorney's behavior.
But Andrew Dember, Assistant U.S. Attorney, told the Manhattan federal jury that smuggling such messages and sending out a press release calling for a return to violence in Egypt "has absolutely nothing to do with being a lawyer."
"It has to do with illegal matters, not legal matters."
Stewart is named is four counts including two that accuse her of participating in a conspiracy and providing and concealing" material support to terrorist activity." Those two charges carry a total maximum prison term of 15 years.
USA- Weak gun control - 285 deaths per 2 million people per year.
Japan-Strong gun control- 1 death per 2 million people per year.
So is it the guns or the people, Wayne?
Japan-Strong gun control- 1 death per 2 million people per year.
So is it the guns or the people, Wayne?
Apples& Oranges Kosar. I can go into detail regarding Japan vs USA, but it is really Apples& Oranges.
Physicians vs. Gun Owners.
Doctors:
a. The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
b. Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
c. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171. (Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept. of Health & Human Services) Now think about this.
Gun Owners:
a. The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
b. The number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) is 1,500..
c. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188.
Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
Remember, "Guns don't kill people, doctors do"
FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.
Please alert your friends to this alarming threat.
We must ban doctors before this gets completely
out of hand!!!!!
Out of concern for the public at large, I have
withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock
would cause people to panic and seek medical
attention
Physicians vs. Gun Owners.
Doctors:
a. The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
b. Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
c. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171. (Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept. of Health & Human Services) Now think about this.
Gun Owners:
a. The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
b. The number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) is 1,500..
c. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188.
Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
Remember, "Guns don't kill people, doctors do"
FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.
Please alert your friends to this alarming threat.
We must ban doctors before this gets completely
out of hand!!!!!
Out of concern for the public at large, I have
withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock
would cause people to panic and seek medical
attention
Talk about 'apples and oranges'. What does an accidental death rate have to do with anything, let alone the comparison with doctors. You're better than posting silly chain emails, chan.
So if you had a knife and had to look someone in the eyes. Would that be harder then from 50 ft. Or even 25 ft. Seems the gun does do the killing if it's trigger is pulled. Maybe we just don't need to many trigger happy folks getting guns to start with. It's funny how they don't want felons to vote. But it's ok to own a gun?
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For some reason, I don't see many from this forum (except certain Cali residents) living in some DC hood WITHOUT a weapon on their person.
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For some reason, I don't see many from this forum (except certain Cali residents) living in some DC hood WITHOUT a weapon on their person.
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"USA- Weak gun control - 285 deaths per 2 million people per year.
Japan-Strong gun control- 1 death per 2 million people per year.
So is it the guns or the people, Wayne?"
If you want to include China you can reduce that further Matt--as both Japan and China have much harsher penalties--but that is not the real reason --- its cultural temperment
Without surgar coating it--look at who the basic population of DC is.
How many do you find in Japan or China??? or reverse it look at % homicides you find in U.S among Asians
Its not the guns its who holds the guns. Who leads in aids per capita--venereal disease per capita-illegitimate children per capita--all the same answer--and 100% of all males in every ethnic catagory are "packin" so to speak
I know Matt "Its no ones fault--no one should be responsible or held accountable for their own actions" Lets pin the blame on the guns or society in general.
---and back to cultural temperment--find any Asian country including North Korea where homicide rate is not practically nil--then find me "just one" African country that is not a third world country struggling to survive and ravaged by homicides or in most cases genocide. Now my question is-- why is that???
Japan-Strong gun control- 1 death per 2 million people per year.
So is it the guns or the people, Wayne?"
If you want to include China you can reduce that further Matt--as both Japan and China have much harsher penalties--but that is not the real reason --- its cultural temperment
Without surgar coating it--look at who the basic population of DC is.
How many do you find in Japan or China??? or reverse it look at % homicides you find in U.S among Asians
Its not the guns its who holds the guns. Who leads in aids per capita--venereal disease per capita-illegitimate children per capita--all the same answer--and 100% of all males in every ethnic catagory are "packin" so to speak
I know Matt "Its no ones fault--no one should be responsible or held accountable for their own actions" Lets pin the blame on the guns or society in general.
---and back to cultural temperment--find any Asian country including North Korea where homicide rate is not practically nil--then find me "just one" African country that is not a third world country struggling to survive and ravaged by homicides or in most cases genocide. Now my question is-- why is that???
All I'm saying Kosar is their laws, their society, etc. is so different than ours. Japan doesn't have the problems we do. If you just want to look at the end result fine but , don't dismiss the facts. I can still go downtown Tokyo anytime, anyplace- no problem. Name a large American city that you will do the same. Don't wanna argue, but weren't you the first to stand up against the Patriot Act? Japan still have open discrimination. Ask any Gaiijin? etc. etc.
YOU GUYS ARE ALL RIGHT. PRESENT DAY UNITED STATES IS PATHETIC. I AGREE WITH ALL OF YA.
YET WHENEVER I STATED A FACT ABOUT THE US YOU FOUGHT LIKE CHILDREN WITH ME. LOL
MORONS
YET WHENEVER I STATED A FACT ABOUT THE US YOU FOUGHT LIKE CHILDREN WITH ME. LOL
MORONS
I LOVE WR said:
Yes, your perception is uncanny, (especially the 10k bet on Kerry).
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/12/28/DART041228.html
SAY HI TO JESSICA AND ASHLEY SIMPSON FOR ME. U GUYS ARE MAKING THEM UNTALENTED IDIOTS RICH AND FAMOUS ALSO. LOL.
CHINA MUST JUST BE DROOLING WAITING IN THE BUSHES. BOOM- SELF IMPLOSION.
CHINA MUST JUST BE DROOLING WAITING IN THE BUSHES. BOOM- SELF IMPLOSION.
I consider myself pretty liberal but I don't believe in banning guns and I do believe in banning gay marriage. That said, DTB's statistics about AIDS cases vs. handgun deaths are totally irrelevant. AIDS is reasonably treatable nowadays. Hell, you walk through west Los Angeles and you'll see bus stops with AIDS medication advertised on them (picture of a couple of gay guys holding hands and prancing, I shit you not). I also think handgun deaths vs. accidental deaths from doctors are a bit misleading because some doctors treat hundreds of patients in a year while the average handgun owner (even rednecks) shoots their guns at less than 1 person per year.
DTB is damn right that lots of these problems can be traced to blacks failing to adjust to white society, but you have to ask yourself why that is. Is it because blacks are naturally predisposed to handgun violence (even though that's not the case with blacks living in other white societies), or is it a way of lashing out due to being socially persecuted generations? I know that sounds like typical so-called, 'liberals not taking responsibility for their own actions,' but it's completely myopic to not realize that society is going to have a massive affect on the behavior of any group of people.
A couple of other things...
Comparing Asians to blacks is totally unfair. Much of Africa has been plagued by whites invading, colonizing and pushing their religion on it for centuries. Even comparing their behavior within America is unfair because most people's natural reaction towards blacks is suspicion. The worst thing Asians have to deal with is that their women can't drive worth a damn.
Intense Operator's comments are typical of a scared consumer. The ghetto is really not that dangerous for ordinary citizens when it comes to violent crime. It's true that gang bangers kill a lot of other gang bangers, but if you keep yourself out of dangerous situations, instances of being subject to gang violence are rare. I have known many acquaintances at my myriad jobs who have had friends killed by bangers, and in all cases the victim was either a member of a gang or a drug dealer. I'm not saying those deaths aren't tragic because they are. I'm just saying that when I wait on a bus stop in the middle of the ghetto after dark, it's not like I need a handgun to feel safe.
Chanman,
New York, Los Angeles, Washington D.C., Milwaukee, Chicago, San Francisco, Oakland and Miami are the only major cities I've had experience with, but I've never felt scared walking or driving alone through any of those downtown areas at any time of day or night. Hell, I live in downtown Los Angeles and the only thing that bothers me slightly is that bums ask me for money every 30 feet when I walk alone at night.
DTB is damn right that lots of these problems can be traced to blacks failing to adjust to white society, but you have to ask yourself why that is. Is it because blacks are naturally predisposed to handgun violence (even though that's not the case with blacks living in other white societies), or is it a way of lashing out due to being socially persecuted generations? I know that sounds like typical so-called, 'liberals not taking responsibility for their own actions,' but it's completely myopic to not realize that society is going to have a massive affect on the behavior of any group of people.
A couple of other things...
Comparing Asians to blacks is totally unfair. Much of Africa has been plagued by whites invading, colonizing and pushing their religion on it for centuries. Even comparing their behavior within America is unfair because most people's natural reaction towards blacks is suspicion. The worst thing Asians have to deal with is that their women can't drive worth a damn.
Intense Operator's comments are typical of a scared consumer. The ghetto is really not that dangerous for ordinary citizens when it comes to violent crime. It's true that gang bangers kill a lot of other gang bangers, but if you keep yourself out of dangerous situations, instances of being subject to gang violence are rare. I have known many acquaintances at my myriad jobs who have had friends killed by bangers, and in all cases the victim was either a member of a gang or a drug dealer. I'm not saying those deaths aren't tragic because they are. I'm just saying that when I wait on a bus stop in the middle of the ghetto after dark, it's not like I need a handgun to feel safe.
Chanman,
New York, Los Angeles, Washington D.C., Milwaukee, Chicago, San Francisco, Oakland and Miami are the only major cities I've had experience with, but I've never felt scared walking or driving alone through any of those downtown areas at any time of day or night. Hell, I live in downtown Los Angeles and the only thing that bothers me slightly is that bums ask me for money every 30 feet when I walk alone at night.
Nick Douglas said:
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Unless that ordinary consumer happens to own/operate a business or makes his livelihood in some connection to the area.
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You're a better man than me Gunga Din. Guess the 18th Street Gang, Latin Kings, Crips, etc. know enough to leave you alone. I'd be lucky to just be left robbed& beaten senseless.
Not to belabor the point but, if you're gonna talk about crime you should also explore the penal systems. Not long ago a Mexican National who didn't speak English or Spanish was picked up for DUI in Oxnard, I believe. The activists were all excited because he, Illegal Alien of course, was remanded to jail til an interpreter could be found@ taxpayers expense, that could speak his obscure, mountain dialect. Think that would happen in most other countries?
Oy's uncle used to belong to a Bangkok Street Gang- nothing nefarious, mostly for protection. One of the members was seen stealing a purse. The Police couldn't identify the culprit, but they knew his Gang from his 'colors.' So they just rounded up every member and threw them in jail for 3 years. Oh Yeah, its up to your family to feed you and take care of you even in jail. 14-17 years old was spent doing 'time.' A little different from American Justice, eh? Japanese 'Monkey Houses' aren't any better- from what I've heard. Good Luck w/Miranda rights, due process, etc., especially when you don't speak the language.
I also don't know how Asians assimilate in our society being as we are so prejudiced. Guess its only against Blacks :thinking:
P.S.- wonder if you saw that statistic on the # of Illegals in our CA education system, specifically College? Turns out the majority- something like 60%, are Illegal Alien Asians. Hmmmm.
Can't be using excuses forever- what is it now 400+ years? To reinforce the prejudice strereotype, let me add an old joke- forgive the timing as we just had Christmas:
What'd the black kid get for XMas?
My bike.
Again Nick, don't take this wrong as I have fun here and really do not want to antagonize. I respect your opinions& comments. I wish you well and hope for the best to you and yours. I pray this never happens, but i think you'd feel different w/other experiences. I may be going out on a limb, but I don't think Intense Operator strolls downtown Chicago w/out knowing exactly where he is at all times. And I have had friends get their car stolen and one was almost car jacked in L.A.- daytime.
Thanks.
Not to belabor the point but, if you're gonna talk about crime you should also explore the penal systems. Not long ago a Mexican National who didn't speak English or Spanish was picked up for DUI in Oxnard, I believe. The activists were all excited because he, Illegal Alien of course, was remanded to jail til an interpreter could be found@ taxpayers expense, that could speak his obscure, mountain dialect. Think that would happen in most other countries?
Oy's uncle used to belong to a Bangkok Street Gang- nothing nefarious, mostly for protection. One of the members was seen stealing a purse. The Police couldn't identify the culprit, but they knew his Gang from his 'colors.' So they just rounded up every member and threw them in jail for 3 years. Oh Yeah, its up to your family to feed you and take care of you even in jail. 14-17 years old was spent doing 'time.' A little different from American Justice, eh? Japanese 'Monkey Houses' aren't any better- from what I've heard. Good Luck w/Miranda rights, due process, etc., especially when you don't speak the language.
I also don't know how Asians assimilate in our society being as we are so prejudiced. Guess its only against Blacks :thinking:
P.S.- wonder if you saw that statistic on the # of Illegals in our CA education system, specifically College? Turns out the majority- something like 60%, are Illegal Alien Asians. Hmmmm.
Can't be using excuses forever- what is it now 400+ years? To reinforce the prejudice strereotype, let me add an old joke- forgive the timing as we just had Christmas:
What'd the black kid get for XMas?
My bike.
Again Nick, don't take this wrong as I have fun here and really do not want to antagonize. I respect your opinions& comments. I wish you well and hope for the best to you and yours. I pray this never happens, but i think you'd feel different w/other experiences. I may be going out on a limb, but I don't think Intense Operator strolls downtown Chicago w/out knowing exactly where he is at all times. And I have had friends get their car stolen and one was almost car jacked in L.A.- daytime.
Thanks.
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You have some interesting points Nick. While it is just my opinion I think it boils down regardless of race on the old adage "show me who you walk with and I'll tell you who you are."
I think you could take a child from any walk of life or race and raise him in sound environment his chances of success will be much greater than reverse. The gangs are just that groups of losers that lean on each other and associate with others that make excuses for their misfortunes. A gang is the only outlet where their peers would deem their order in life a success.
I wish I could remember name of book I read years ago as I found it quite interesting. It was about pecking order of all races based on numerous criterea. One axiom was the older the culture the higher the rating. I remember it was nip and tuck for top rating between Asian and Jewish with the WASP coming in a tick below in 3rd. The most asounding result was the huge gap from the bottom of the wrung to the rest.
The mans theory on why was--as cultures age they learn to expect more--and what they expect out of life is linked to previous episodes in their environment--and their accomplishments in life will gravitate toward their expectations.
--anyway-it made sense to me--but he was much better at explaining it.
I think you could take a child from any walk of life or race and raise him in sound environment his chances of success will be much greater than reverse. The gangs are just that groups of losers that lean on each other and associate with others that make excuses for their misfortunes. A gang is the only outlet where their peers would deem their order in life a success.
I wish I could remember name of book I read years ago as I found it quite interesting. It was about pecking order of all races based on numerous criterea. One axiom was the older the culture the higher the rating. I remember it was nip and tuck for top rating between Asian and Jewish with the WASP coming in a tick below in 3rd. The most asounding result was the huge gap from the bottom of the wrung to the rest.
The mans theory on why was--as cultures age they learn to expect more--and what they expect out of life is linked to previous episodes in their environment--and their accomplishments in life will gravitate toward their expectations.
--anyway-it made sense to me--but he was much better at explaining it.
I freely agree that theft is rampant in a lot of cities. I also can see IO's point that if you run a business in a shady part of town, you can be a target for theft. Hell, my car has been stolen twice in L.A. That is dealing with material things that can be replaced, though. Violent crime like rape and murder is more what I am talking about.
To Chan's point, I will say that in my experience many black people are too quick to blame "the system" or really anything other than themselves for their problems. You just have to remember, though, that everyone responds to their environment to an extremely large degree and that thousands of years of evolution have caused each race to respond differently to different situations in their environment.
DTB,
I take it that book wasn't rating boxing or basketball skills, because otherwise Jews would have been #1 and killed Asians and WASPs if it was written in the 1930's or 1940's.
To Chan's point, I will say that in my experience many black people are too quick to blame "the system" or really anything other than themselves for their problems. You just have to remember, though, that everyone responds to their environment to an extremely large degree and that thousands of years of evolution have caused each race to respond differently to different situations in their environment.
DTB,
I take it that book wasn't rating boxing or basketball skills, because otherwise Jews would have been #1 and killed Asians and WASPs if it was written in the 1930's or 1940's.
Funny thing about gun rights is one of the most liberal states in the nation, Vermont, is very gun ownership friendly and if I am not mistaken you can legally carry a concealed weapon. Correct me if I am wrong. Go to jail and ask criminals would they be more likely to rob a residence that they knew the resident was armed or one who wasn't. Betcha the majority would pass on the armed one. I have never owned a gun, never fired one, but TOTALLY support the 2 amendment. Side comment about San Francisco, they want to also start charging people for using plastic bags. Lmao, guess those that live there are gonna need to grocery shop with cardboard boxes like the ol' days.
Right-to-carry laws require law enforcement agencies to issue handgun permits to all qualified applicants. Qualifications include criteria such as age, a clean criminal record, and completing a firearm safety course.
* In 1986, nine states had right-to-carry laws.
* As of 1998, 31 states have right-to-carry laws, and about half the U.S. population lives in these states.
* In 1996, Dr. John R. Lott of the University of Chicago Law School published the results of a crime study conducted using FBI data for all 3,045 U.S. counties from 1977 to 1992.
* The study sought to answer the question, "What happens to crime when states adopt right-to-carry laws?"
* Between 1977 and 1992, 10 states adopted right-to-carry laws. Dr. Lott's study found that the implementation of these laws created:
-- no change in suicide rates,
-- a .5% rise in accidental firearm deaths,
-- a 5% decline in rapes,
-- a 7% decline in aggravated assaults,
-- and an 8% decline in murder
for the 10 states that adopted these laws between 1977 and 1992.
* Using 1995 numbers, this amounts to:
-- 1 more accidental gun death,
-- 316 less murders,
-- 939 less rapes,
-- and 14,702 less aggravated assaults
Florida adopted a right-to-carry law in 1987. At the time the law was passed, critics predicted increases in violence. The founder of the National Organization of Women, Betty Friedan stated:
"lethal violence, even in self defense, only engenders more violence."
* When the law went into effect, the Dade County Police began a program to record all arrest and non arrest incidents involving concealed carry licensees. Between September of 1987 and August of 1992, Dade County recorded 4 crimes committed by licensees with firearms. None of these crimes resulted in an injury. The record keeping program was abandoned in 1992 because there were not enough incidents to justify tracking them.
* Florida adopted a right-to-carry law in 1987. Between 1987 and 1996, these changes occurred:
Florida United States
homicide rate -36% -.4%
firearm homicide rate -37% +15%
handgun homicide rate -41% +24%
* 221,443 concealed carry licenses were issued in Florida between October of 1987 and April of 1994. During that time, Florida recorded 18 crimes committed by licensees with firearms.
* As of 1998, nationwide, there has been 1 recorded incident in which a permit holder shot someone following a traffic accident. The permit holder was not charged, as the grand jury ruled the shooting was in self defense.
* As of 1998, no permit holder has ever shot a police officer. There have been several cases in which a permit holder has protected an officer's life.
The "Assault Weapons Ban" was enacted on September 14, 1994. The majority of Democrats voted for it, and the majority of Republicans voted against it. Bill Clinton signed it into law.
* This bill banned the manufacture, possession, and importation of semiautomatic assault weapons for civilian use. Guns manufactured before September 14th, 1994 were grandfathered. Guns manufactured after this date (for use by the military, police, and government agencies) must be marked with the date they are manufactured.
* To identify an assault weapon, this bill uses objective criteria, along with a list of 19 specific guns.
* For example, semiautomatic rifles which accept a detachable magazine are classified as "assault weapons" if they have two of the five following features: folding stock, pistol grip, bayonet mount, grenade launcher, threaded barrel for flash suppressor.
* An assault weapon, as defined by this bill, does not include fully automatic machine guns. Since 1934, a civilian must obtain permission from the U.S. Treasury to legally own a fully automatic weapon.
* In April of 1999, Bill and Hillary Clinton held a press conference on gun control legislation. Hillary Clinton stated:
"And since the crime bill was enacted, 19 of the deadliest assault weapons are harder to find on our streets. We will never know how many tragedies we've avoided because of these efforts."
* Assault weapons were involved in less than 1% of homicides before the assault weapons ban took effect in 1994. The same is true as of 1998.
* As of 1998, about 13% of homicides involve knives, 5% involve bludgeons, and 6% are committed with hands and feet.
* The Clinton administration prosecuted 4 people in 1997 and 4 people in 1998 for violating the assault weapons ban.
1995 Fatal Accident Totals
Motor Vehicles 43,900
Falls 12,600
Poisonings 10,600
Drownings 4,500
Fires 4,100
Choking 2,800
Firearm 1,400 (1.5% of fatal accidents)
* For Children 14 and Under
Motor Vehicles 3,059
Drownings 1,024
Fires 883
Choking 213
Firearm 181 (2.7% of fatal accidents)
Falls 127
Poisonings 80
* In 1986, nine states had right-to-carry laws.
* As of 1998, 31 states have right-to-carry laws, and about half the U.S. population lives in these states.
* In 1996, Dr. John R. Lott of the University of Chicago Law School published the results of a crime study conducted using FBI data for all 3,045 U.S. counties from 1977 to 1992.
* The study sought to answer the question, "What happens to crime when states adopt right-to-carry laws?"
* Between 1977 and 1992, 10 states adopted right-to-carry laws. Dr. Lott's study found that the implementation of these laws created:
-- no change in suicide rates,
-- a .5% rise in accidental firearm deaths,
-- a 5% decline in rapes,
-- a 7% decline in aggravated assaults,
-- and an 8% decline in murder
for the 10 states that adopted these laws between 1977 and 1992.
* Using 1995 numbers, this amounts to:
-- 1 more accidental gun death,
-- 316 less murders,
-- 939 less rapes,
-- and 14,702 less aggravated assaults
Florida adopted a right-to-carry law in 1987. At the time the law was passed, critics predicted increases in violence. The founder of the National Organization of Women, Betty Friedan stated:
"lethal violence, even in self defense, only engenders more violence."
* When the law went into effect, the Dade County Police began a program to record all arrest and non arrest incidents involving concealed carry licensees. Between September of 1987 and August of 1992, Dade County recorded 4 crimes committed by licensees with firearms. None of these crimes resulted in an injury. The record keeping program was abandoned in 1992 because there were not enough incidents to justify tracking them.
* Florida adopted a right-to-carry law in 1987. Between 1987 and 1996, these changes occurred:
Florida United States
homicide rate -36% -.4%
firearm homicide rate -37% +15%
handgun homicide rate -41% +24%
* 221,443 concealed carry licenses were issued in Florida between October of 1987 and April of 1994. During that time, Florida recorded 18 crimes committed by licensees with firearms.
* As of 1998, nationwide, there has been 1 recorded incident in which a permit holder shot someone following a traffic accident. The permit holder was not charged, as the grand jury ruled the shooting was in self defense.
* As of 1998, no permit holder has ever shot a police officer. There have been several cases in which a permit holder has protected an officer's life.
The "Assault Weapons Ban" was enacted on September 14, 1994. The majority of Democrats voted for it, and the majority of Republicans voted against it. Bill Clinton signed it into law.
* This bill banned the manufacture, possession, and importation of semiautomatic assault weapons for civilian use. Guns manufactured before September 14th, 1994 were grandfathered. Guns manufactured after this date (for use by the military, police, and government agencies) must be marked with the date they are manufactured.
* To identify an assault weapon, this bill uses objective criteria, along with a list of 19 specific guns.
* For example, semiautomatic rifles which accept a detachable magazine are classified as "assault weapons" if they have two of the five following features: folding stock, pistol grip, bayonet mount, grenade launcher, threaded barrel for flash suppressor.
* An assault weapon, as defined by this bill, does not include fully automatic machine guns. Since 1934, a civilian must obtain permission from the U.S. Treasury to legally own a fully automatic weapon.
* In April of 1999, Bill and Hillary Clinton held a press conference on gun control legislation. Hillary Clinton stated:
"And since the crime bill was enacted, 19 of the deadliest assault weapons are harder to find on our streets. We will never know how many tragedies we've avoided because of these efforts."
* Assault weapons were involved in less than 1% of homicides before the assault weapons ban took effect in 1994. The same is true as of 1998.
* As of 1998, about 13% of homicides involve knives, 5% involve bludgeons, and 6% are committed with hands and feet.
* The Clinton administration prosecuted 4 people in 1997 and 4 people in 1998 for violating the assault weapons ban.
1995 Fatal Accident Totals
Motor Vehicles 43,900
Falls 12,600
Poisonings 10,600
Drownings 4,500
Fires 4,100
Choking 2,800
Firearm 1,400 (1.5% of fatal accidents)
* For Children 14 and Under
Motor Vehicles 3,059
Drownings 1,024
Fires 883
Choking 213
Firearm 181 (2.7% of fatal accidents)
Falls 127
Poisonings 80
