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no secret that toledo has been a profitable team for me but im taking a strong stand against them on saturday afternoon. theres very little that favors the rockets here.

here's what does favor toledo:

* theyre 7-0 at home and have won 16 of their last 17 at savage hall.
* kent state has dropped 4 straight on the road

here's what doesn't favor toledo:

* pretty much everything else.

toledo has lost five in a row against kent.
toledo has lost eight of the last ten against kent.
flashes havent lost in toledo in half a decade.
kent is well-rested.
triplett is hurting for toledo.
triplett has struggled against kent in his career.
kent's defense has suffocated toledo the last few years, especially early in the game.
conversely, toledo has played matador defense (and thats being kind) against kent the last few yrs.

some might say thats making too much of past history. normally, i would agree because each year is exclusive from the rest. but every year, the kent/toledo matchup is decided in one specific area of the game: defensive intensity from the opening tip.

(2004) halftime score -- kent state 51 toledo 25.
kent shot 55% in the first 20:00. toledo was held to 22%

(2003) halftime score -- kent state 39 toledo 27
kent shot 59% in the first 20:00. toledo was held to 41%

(2002) halftime score -- kent state 39 toledo 16
kent shot 50% in the first 20:00. toledo was held to 26%

toledo will have the best player on the floor saturday afternoon. when triplett gets it going, hes as good as anyone in the conference. and with other guys for toledo not having particularly good seasons (see: ingram. see also: villegas) triplett has had to really shoulder the load and carry this team. and he's done yeoman's work, averaging 16+ a game.

....theres two problems though.

#1..triplett has struggled against kent in his career.
(2004) 2-12 from the floor. 5 points. 4 turnovers.
(2003) 6-13 from the floor. 15 points. 0 turnovers.
(2002) 0-5 from the floor. 0 points. 3 turnovers.

#2...triplett is banged up and the blade article leads me to believe triplett is trying to tough it out and play through more pain than originally thought. he left the ohio game the other night because of his hip.
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050127/SPORTS11/501270493/-1/SPORTS

ive got more respect for triplett than almost anyone in the league. im sure he is gonna tough it out and try to carry toledo in this one. but the nagging injury along with his struggles against kent mean the odds are that much more stacked against toledo.

is toledo capable of winning and covering? absolutely. when ive played on them, theyve been very good for me this year. but theyre still not playing anywhere near preseason expectations. the talent is certainly there. the rockets are incredibly athletic and if triplett is healthy down the stretch, theyre gonna be a real wild-card in the mac tournament.

i think this line reflects toledo's undefeated home mark this season as well as kent dropping 4 in a row on the road. toledo's 16-1 streak at savage is impressive, but kent is one team that has never had trouble playing there. kent's recent road woes are a little puzzling because theyve always been a program that has traveled well and isnt easily rattled in hostile environments. its kinda tough to figure out. their L4 road games have been really lame, but then you look at the fact that they played well for a half in cameron, built a 17 point 2nd half lead on the road at boston college before losing at the buzzer, played well at marquette, and won at creighton. so its not like this is a team that fears the road.

im expecting a good effort from toledo. theyre nowhere near as bad as 3-4/7-9 record would indicate. theyre gonna defend their home court. with that said, i DONT think theyre gonna win this game. kent's defense, again, will be the difference. i also think that we're gonna see some solid play from kent down the stretch this season. normally ksu has a lot of seniors that have been through the program and know the ropes. but this year 2 of their top 4 scorers are in their first year at kent (warzynski is a transfer and youngblood is was a JUCO). it wouldnt surprise me to see kent make yet another run as the season winds down now that this group is starting to get used to playing with each other. lots of value here and i expect kent to win.

still working over the rest of the mac and horizon games.
 

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Gman. I haven't read your whole thread yet obviously, but for my money there is noone who knows the mac better than you and spang. Just on my power figs I thought Toledo would be favored by 4. I was hoping they would make it 7 or 8 so I could bang Kent good. This is one of my worst conferences, for some reason my preseason numbers are always off on the mac daddy.

I may jump on for the ride here
 

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horizon league saturday

butler at illinois-chicago
bulldogs coming off their worst loss in conference play in 8 years. theyre a program with a lot of pride and i think theyll bring a solid effort to chicago, but theyre just not a real good team. after seeing them in person for the first time this year, i was really surprised at how mediocre they are. on a good note, was surprised at what a nice player polk is for them. but he got no help whatsoever. lickliter really shook up the starting lineup thursday too. he started an extremely young lineup (2 freshmen, 2 sophs, and a junior). illinois-chicago is a veteran team so no clue what changes he'll make to that lineup. sometimes the best thing for a team who just got their ass kicked it to have a quick turnaround game so they can try to atone for that debacle. butler gets their chance. illinois-chicago hasnt put a full 40:00 together in over a month. theyve been dominant for some stretches in the 2h of games but theyre not the fast-starting team that they were last season. butler might be able to lull them into a real grinder.

milwaukee at green bay
uwm has absolutely dominated their rival the last 4 or 5 years. had a big play on them in the first meeting 2 weeks ago when the panthers laid a 30pt ass whooping on uwgb as an 8.5 pt chalk. although this is a rivalry due to proximity, its really been lopsided. offhand i believe milwaukee has won 9 of the L10 and all have been by double digits. numbers might be a little off since im going strictly on memory but i do know for sure that every milwaukee win has been a rout. im actually considering green bay here. while i certainly dont consider them to be an elite team within the conference, i do think this game sets up perfectly for them to play a tight game. if the phoenix have any scrotum, they will put forth a good effort after getting blasted by 30 in milwaukee 2 weeks ago. panthers coming in off a nice non-conference win against purdue on the road. for as good as theyve been, i think theyre gonna be a little big-headed here. they just beat the piss outta their rival 2 weeks ago and theyre coming in off a road win vs a power conference big 10 team. if uwgb is ever gonna step up, this would be the game. think line might hit 5.5 or 6 and if it does, i will try uwgb.

loyola at detroit
titans have been lame the last couple games but loyola might just be the team they want to see right now. detroit hammered loyola on the road on MLK Day (70-53) in a game that was never close. for whatever reason though, detroit just hasnt been their dominant selves at callahan this year. it used to be one of the toughest places in the entire nation to play. theyve already lost 4 times there this year -- almost unheard of. line is high, but i think the chalk is the only logical way to go here. no play for me, but lean detroit.

wright state at cleveland state
this is the kind of game where we find out just how much progress cleveland state has made. theyre coming off probably their best win in 4 or 5 years. they played well in every facet of the game against butler. can they turn around 48 hours later and keep their momentum going? they hadnt won back-to-back games in 2 or 3 years until the butler win. now theyre going for 3 in a row vs wright state on a regionally televised fox sports net game. wright's defense is gonna be a major test for csu. wsu cruised to a 16pt win in dayton about a month ago. raiders shot 54% from the floor and outrebounded csu 35-21. wright state really doesnt do anything special, they just guard the hell out of you and can wear you down. cleveland state probably has the edge in pure talent, but wright state holds a definite edge in experience and knowing how to win. that said, vikes played with visible emotion on thursday and they have definitely been playing good ball of late. but theres no way i could trust csu from a betting perspective in this one. theres no doubt that if they play the same way they played against butler that the vikes could win by 6 or 8 points. but consistency and knowing how to close close games out is something that has eluded csu for quite awhile. if this game is decided by more than 5 points one way or the other, id be really surprised.
 

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good luck g,much respect man but one thing i dont do in the mac is bet against toledo in any sport when they are at home.as you know they play some serious ball when defending there turf.im on iowa st and vandy so far.thinking bout pulling the string on northwestern also.
 

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wow Gman if i had to rite that up would take me all night,
i'm thinking you have a secretary. ;) anyways very nice job
as always....and good luck today.
 

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spang - not sure on the status of fitch. perhaps bgfalcon knows more. regardless, like the bobcats play and i think you are approaching it the right way. game line is a little much but OU has shown an ability to start quick over the last few weeks. looks like theyre a completely different team than the one who got ripped by akron in the 2nd half of their meeting at the JAR
 

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mac saturday

buffalo at eastern michigan
now would be a good time for emu to start showing some signs of life. both teams have performed below expectations for the most part this season. buffalo was picked to win the east and theyre sitting at .500 in conference play. emich has all the talent to be a sleeper in the mac west and theyre 3-5 in the mac and have lost 4 straight. if eastern michigan cant win in this spot, then they are not as good as i thought. eagles have been off since last saturday and, from what ive read, have had some good practices and are re-energized. buffalo is the midst of a scheduling quirk that has them playing for the 3rd time in 6 days (tuesday/thursday/today). line flipped from buffalo -1 to now emich -1. im very close to play eastern michigan but i think im going to wait it out until halftime. might be able to catch some value against some tired buffalo legs.

bowling green at ohio
of all the teams in the mac, its ohio that has been the dominant mac home team this season. bobcats are 8-0 at the convo. at the beginning of the season i was a little skeptical because they beat some cupcakes. but theyve dominated marshall, kent, and toledo in 3 mac home games. bowling green had the expected letdown at central michigan but still managed to rally for a victory against a terrible cmu team. bg has gone into their emotional bank quite a few times in the last few games to pull out 2nd half comebacks. with the way ohio is playing, if bg falls behind, it could be curtains for the falcons. that said, game line is a little inflated and i couldnt lay 6/6.5. i think spang has it right....bobcats for the 1h makes a lot of sense.

other two mac games are kind of garbage games. the up in the air status of bsu's chapman makes that one almost unplayable. northern has shown an ability to hang in games they have no business being in, but ball state is a different team at home. still cant trust em without chapman though. as far as western michigan goes, they can name the score against the mutants from central michigan. but wmu isnt playing all that well lately and for as bad as cmu has been, this game is pretty much their season. so it could turn out a lot closer than expected....or it could be a 23-25 pt rout.
 

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hey gman, any of the totals in the mac look enticing to you? I am already on the bg/ohio game over 142 and thought i would get your input. other lean was buff/em over 153. any thoughts appreciated.

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gman, I'm wondering what your take is on the W.Mich-C.Mich. game??
Seems W. Mich will cover the 15, but I respect you opinion first.
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my only concern on the bowling green total is that under normal circumstances, they would be coming into this one off of two solid unders. but due to some freaky 2nd halves the last 2 games, what looked like dead under games ended up breaking the total.

last saturday, the toledo/bg game was only 34-17 at halftime. but thanks to a 53-35 2nd half, the game managed its way over the total.

then the other night, bg was in cmu with a total of 148. game was just 30-25 at halftime, but a crazy 2nd half led to 52-43 in the 2nd frame and a 77-73 final -- breaking that 148 total.

so i guess what im worried about is that the number today is inflated and that bg hasnt really played two wire-to-wire overs as the last two finals would indicate. does that make any sense whatsoever?

as for the emich/buffalo total, i definitely think thats a good play there, especially since buffalo is playing their 3rd gm in 6 days. im of the belief that tired legs equals very little effort on the defensive end. i dont think it affects shooting and offense. i think we could see a game in the 80s there.

best of luck winder.




big joe:

wrote a few words on the cmu/wmu game a few posts up. in a nutshell, cmu is godawful but this game can make their season. wmich is capable of winning by 20+, but they havent been playing good ball of late. i think the line is prety accurate. to me, its the least appealing of all the games on the mac card today. and a tough one to figure. i know that doesnt help much but no real opinion on that gm
 

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helps a bunch. thanks for responding. gonna keep my light play on the bg game and add the buff over for a bit more.

gl today
 

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kent state flashes (+4) 2nd half

ksu has controlled this game from the opening tip. toledo has never led, and flashes had an 11 pt lead with under a minute to go. rockets scored 5 in the final 0:30 to make this game much closer than it is. ive been on the wrong end of some 2nd half collapses, but kent state is a program that is tough to play from behind because they dont beat themselves. i know its only a 6pt game but its gonna take a ksu meltdown for them not to win this game.

for the 4th year in a row, kent shot 50+% in the first half. toledo is living and dying on the perimeter (no free throw attempts).

yes -- lots of exposure on this game. but its the one play i felt really good about for saturday.
 

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one of these days, im going to have a team hold a comfortable halftime lead and cash a fu.cking moneyline. i might be the best 1st half bettor in the history of madjacks, lmao. but dammit if my teams dont shoot with blindfolds on in the 2nd half. they always do just enough to cover.
 
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