If you don't vote you don't count - Iraqis Defy Attackers in Historic Election

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Iraqis Defy Attackers in Historic Election
By MARIAM FAM
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BAGHDAD, Iraq ? Iraqis danced and clapped with joy Sunday as they voted in their country's first free election in a half-century, defying insurgents who launched eight suicide bombings and mortar strikes at polling stations. The attacks killed at least 36 people.

An Iraqi election official said that 72 percent of eligible Iraqi voters had turned out so far nationwide. The official, Adel al-Lami of the Independent Electoral Commission, offered no overall figures of the actual number of Iraqis who have voted to back up the claim.

Iraqi's wait in line to cast their ballots at a school at a polling station in the town of Abu Al-Kahasib on the southern edge of the Iraqi city of Basra, 500 kms from Baghdad, Sunday Jan. 30, 2005. The landmark vote, the first since the downfall of Saddam Hussein in April, 2003, is to choose a 275 member national assembly which will write a new constitution. (AP Photo/Odd Anderson, Pool)
After a slow start, men and women in flowing black abayas ? often holding babies ? formed long lines, although there were pockets of Iraq where the streets and polling stations were deserted. Iraqis prohibited from using private cars walked streets crowded in a few places nearly shoulder-to-shoulder with voters, hitched rides on military buses and trucks, and some even carried the elderly in their arms.

"This is democracy," said Karfia Abbasi, holding up a thumb stained with purple ink to prove she had voted.

Officials said turnout appeared higher than expected, although it was too soon to tell for sure. Iraqi officials have predicted that up to 8 million of the 14 million voters ? just over 57 percent ? would participate.

In a potentially troublesome sign, the polls at first were deserted in mostly Sunni cities like Fallujah, Ramadi and Samarra around Baghdad, and in the restive, heavily Sunni northern city of Mosul.

Clashes had erupted between insurgents and Iraqi soldiers in western Mosul. And in Baghdad's mainly Sunni Arab area of Azamiyah, the neighborhood's four polling centers did not open, residents said.

A low Sunni turnout could undermine the new government and worsen tensions among the country's ethnic, religious and cultural groups.

A Web site statement purportedly from Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's group claimed responsibility for election-day attacks in Iraq, although the claim could not be verified. The Jordanian militant is said to be behind many of the suicide car-bombings, kidnappings and beheadings of foreigners in Iraq, and his group vowed to kill those who ventured out to vote.

Casting his vote, Interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi called it "the first time the Iraqis will determine their destiny."

Turnout was brisk in Shiite Muslim and mixed Shiite-Sunni neighborhoods. Even in the small town of Askan in the so-called "triangle of death" south of Baghdad, 20 people waited in line at each of several polling centers. More walked toward the polls.

Rumors of impending violence were rife. When an unexplained boom sounded near one Baghdad voting station, some women put their hands to their mouths and whispered prayers. Others continued walking calmly to the voting stations. Several shouted in unison: "We have no fear."

"Am I scared? Of course I'm not scared. This is my country," said 50-year-old Fathiya Mohammed, wearing a head-to-toe abaya.

At one polling place in Baghdad, soldiers and voters joined hands in a dance, and in Baqouba, voters jumped and clapped to celebrate the historic day. At another, an Iraqi policeman in a black ski mask tucked his assault rifle under one arm and took the hand of an elderly blind woman, guiding her to the polls.

In Ramadi, U.S. troops coaxed voters with loudspeakers, preaching the importance of every ballot.

The election is a major test of President Bush's goal of promoting democracy in the Middle East. If successful, it also could hasten the day when the United States brings home its 150,000 troops. More than 1,400 members of the U.S. military have died since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003, including a U.S. Marine killed in combat Sunday in Iraq's restive Anbar province. No details were released on the latest death.

Security was tight. About 300,000 Iraqi and American troops were on the streets and on standby to protect voters, who entered polling stations under loops of razor wire and the watchful eye of rooftop sharpshooters.

Private cars were mostly banned from the streets, forcing suicide bombers to strap explosives to their bodies and carry out attacks on foot.

The governor of the mostly Sunni province of Salaheddin, Hamad Hmoud Shagti, went on the radio to lobby for a higher turnout. "This is a chance for you as Iraqis to assure your and your children's future," he said.

Shiite Muslims, estimated at 60 percent of Iraq's 26 million people, were expected to turn out in large numbers, encouraged by clerics who hope their community will gain power after generations of oppression by the Sunni minority.

A ticket endorsed by the country's leading Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, is expected to fare best among the 111 candidate lists. However, no faction is expected to win an outright majority, meaning possibly weeks of political deal-making before a new prime minister is chosen.

The elections will also give Kurds a chance to gain more influence in Iraq after long years of marginalization under the Baath Party that ruled the country for 34 years.

"This proves that we are now free," said Akar Azad, 19, who came to the polls with his wife Serwin Suker and sister Bigat.

Iraqis in 14 nations also held the last of three days of overseas balloting on Sunday, with officials in Australia extending polling station hours because of an earlier riot and bomb scare. More than 70 percent of the 281,000 registered overseas voters had cast a ballot, al-Lami of the Independent Electoral Commission said.

Speaking in Nigeria, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan called Sunday's balloting "the first step" toward democracy. "It's a beginning, not an end," he said.

Final results of the election will not be known for seven to 10 days, but a preliminary tally could come as early as late Sunday.

One U.S.-funded election observer said early reports pointed to smoother-than-expected voting, despite the violence.

"We're hearing there has been fairly robust turnout in certain areas," said Sam Patten, a member of the Baghdad team of the International Republican Institute.

The chief U.N. adviser to Iraq's election commission, Carlos Valenzuela, also said turnout seemed to be good in most places.

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Continued.

"These attacks have not stopped the operations," Valenzuela said.

Asked if reports of better-than-expected turnout in areas where Sunni and Shiite Muslims live together indicated that a Sunni cleric boycott effort had failed, one of the main groups pushing the boycott seemed to soften its stance.

"The association's call for a boycott of the election was not a fatwa (religious edict), but only a statement," said Association of Muslim Scholars spokesman Omar Ragheb. "It was never a question of something religiously prohibited or permitted."

In the most deadly attack, a suicide bomber blew himself up at a polling station in western Baghdad, killing himself, three policemen and a civilian, officials said. Witness Faleh Hussein said the bomber approached a line of voters and detonated an explosives belt.

In a second suicide attack at a polling station, a bomber blew up himself, one policeman and two Iraqi soldiers. In a third suicide attack at a school in western Baghdad, three people and the bomber died, police said.

And in a fourth, at another school in eastern Baghdad, a suicide bomber killed himself and at least three others. Another five people died in other suicide attacks.

Also, a suicide bomber blew himself up near the home of Iraq's justice minister in western Baghdad in an apparent assassination attempt. The minister was not home but the attack killed one person, an Interior Ministry official said.

The rest were killed in shootings and explosions in several communities north of Baghdad.

Overall, eight of the 36 people killed were suicide bombers.

In addition, three people were killed when mortars landed near a polling station in Sadr City, the heart of Baghdad's Shiite Muslim community. Two others died when a mortar round hit a home in Amel, and a policeman died in a mortar attack on a polling station in Khan al-Mahawil, south of Baghdad.

In Mosul, the province's deputy escaped an assassination attempt, but his bodyguard was killed.
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A spotlight on a few influential candidates among thousands on the ballot

? Abdul Aziz al-Hakim
? Ibrahim al-Jaafari
? Ayad Allawi
? Hussain al-Shahristani
? Sharif Ali bin Hussein
? Ahmad Chalabi
? Adnan Pachachi
? Ghazi Yawar
? Jalal Talabani



Karim Kadim / AP file
At the top of the most prominent Shiite slate, the United Iraqi Alliance, backed by influential cleric Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, al-Hakim is a shoo-in for National Assembly and a contender for prime minister. He comes to the ticket as head of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI), long the leading Shiite opposition group, with its own exile army in Iran. Critics say he is too close to Iran and favors an Islamic government.



Samir Mizban / AP
One of two vice presidents in the U.S.-appointed interim government, the candidate is among the top candidates of the prominent Shiite United Iraqi Alliance. He comes to the UIA as spokesman for the Islamic Dawa, which fought Saddam Hussein?s regime in the late 1970s but was crushed in 1982. Al-Jaafari fled to Iran and then Britain, returning to Iraq in 2003 after Saddam?s fall. He is the brother-in-law of the powerful Shiite cleric Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, a contender for prime minister and a shoo-in for the National Assembly.



Hadi Mizban / AP file
The interim prime minister, a secular Shiite, is running on his own ticket, the Iraqi National Accord Party. Allawi was a Baathist until 1975 and then believed to be a CIA operative. His appointment by the United States to the interim government after return from exile has made him the object of suspicion and likely accounts for his exclusion from the front-running Shiite ticket (United Iraqi Alliance). Even so, he may parlay his fame into a seat in the National Assembly.



Romeo Ranoco / Reuters file
A nuclear physicist near the top of the prominent Shiite slate, the United Iraqi Alliance, thus nearly certain to hold a National Assembly seat. Al-Shahristani was head of Iraq?s Atomic Energy Commission but was arrested in 1979 after refusing to help Saddam Hussein build a nuclear weapon. He escaped in 1991 after the United States bombed the prison where he was held.



Ron Edmonds / AP
A Sunni, head of the Constitutional Monarchy Movement, the candidate is a descendant of the Prophet Muhammad and cousin of the last king, Faisal II, who was deposed and executed in 1958. The candidate claims to be the only real voice for the Sunni Triangle, but experts say the notion of a monarchy is a nonstarter in Iraq.



Alex Wong / Getty Images file
Leader of the Iraqi National Congress, a party formed in exile with the aim of ousting Saddam Hussein. Chalabi, included on the slate of the prominent Shiite United Iraqi Alliance, is controversial for his financial dealings and for information provided to the United States ? much of which turned out to be false ? that bolstered the argument for invasion of Iraq. He is highly controversial and unlikely to take a top spot in government, but a player due to his role in Saddam?s fall.



Brendan Smialowski / Getty Images file
A prominent Sunni who heads the secular slate called the Iraqi Independent Democrats. A former diplomat who lived in exile in Britain from the 1960s, Pachachi returned to Iraq after Saddam Hussein?s fall and was initially talked about as a possible leader. Erudite and fluent in English, Pachachi has favor among foreign journalists but is relatively unknown among Iraqis.



Pascal Le Segretain / Getty Images file
Yawar, a Sunni who is president in the interim government, heads a slate of candidates called the Iraqi Party. His list also includes the interim minister of defense and the minister of industry and minerals, who is in charge of oil. Yawar is clearly making a bid for influence in the new political scene but is a relatively unknown figure. It is unclear that he can draw a significant number of reluctant Sunnis out to vote and thus win a seat in the National Assembly.



Str / AP file
Leader of the PUK, one of two main Kurdish parties, that has formed the Kurdistan Alliance to compete for seats in the national assembly. Although Kurds make up only 10-15 percent of the population, they are expected to vote in large numbers to preserve their interests under the new system ? specifically the autonomy they have enjoyed in northern Iraq since 1991.
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On Jan. 30, Iraq holds its first free election in more than 50 years.
? What are Iraqis voting for?

What are Iraqis voting for?
Voters will choose 275 members of a Transitional National Assembly, whose key tasks will be to choose a government and formulate a new constitution by Aug. 15. The body will select a president and two deputies from its ranks to succeed the interim administration appointed by the U.S.-led occupation authority. They will then choose a prime minister, who will hold the most power, including control of the military.
The assembly is to be dissolved and a new parliament elected according to the new constitution by the end of 2005. Elections are also planned for 18 provincial assemblies and for parliament of the autonomous Kurdish region in the north.
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Been watching all thru the night Scott--I have seen the 72% which I am hesitant to believe--saw projected 66% turnout which I don't see how they project--saw CNN showing town forgot which one of sunni stronghold with view voting--we know whats going down there--however I think they will hit better than50% and have better turnout per capita than we did in U.S.
Considering most Sunnis boycotting and them making up 20% of population anything around 60% would be extra ordinary.
I'll wait till I here Shepherd Smiths report as in my opinion he is most trustworthy newscaster in media--he's in Iraq covering election this week.

Thanks for post of pics--quite encouraging especially after seeing CNN covering the sunni stronghold ;)
 

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Analysis: A Complex Democracy

Saturday, January 29, 2005

By Mike Tobin



BAGHDAD, Iraq ? Many Sunni Arabs say they will boycott the Iraq election. The Kurds (search) are trying to maximize their opportunities with a unified front. Meanwhile, the numbers appear to be in the Shiites' favor. If the election is a success, they should end up in the driver's seat.

Sunni leaders equate participating in the vote to suicide. If they don't vote, they lose. But if they do vote, they still lose ? and at the same time they give credibility to the process.

All the statements by Sunni leaders advocating the boycott of the election boil down to one theme: They'd rather refrain from voting than participate, lose and be seen as losers. But if the election is a success, by not voting they give up the chance of getting any seats in the National Assembly. They risk having their voices left out of the new constitution.

Some Sunnis (search) are willing to make the gamble. They feel that with their Arab ethnicity and the fact that they make up 20 percent of the population the new government will have to include them, whether they voted or not.

Shiites (search) are in a different situation entirely. They make up 60 percent of the population and stand to become the dominant majority if they show up and vote ? a long way from being the oppressed group.

Iraqis who go to the polls will vote for a list of candidates instead of just one. The candidates are ranked from one to as many as 275, the number of seats in the National Assembly that are at stake. This new body will draw up the constitution for Iraq and choose the president and two deputies, who will then select the prime minister.

The total number of votes cast in the election divided by 275 will determine how many votes equal one seat in the assembly. Lists will get a certain number of seats depending on vote score. For example, if a list gets 40 percent of the vote, they get 40 percent of the seats.

The political bodies' top candidates head each list. The closer the candidates' names are to the top of the lists, the greater chance they have of making the cut and getting a seat in the National Assembly.

Shiites, aided by their large population and a willingness to vote, are expected to clean up. The United Iraqi Alliance (search), a religious Shiite list that has the backing of Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, is expected to garner the most votes and beat Interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi's (search) secular Shiite group, the Iraqi List.

That does not mean the prime minister will be chosen from the candidates on the UIA list.

According to sources, the UIA leaders want to initially name Allawi as prime minister. After Allawi handles all the heavy lifting of security and establishing the constitution, they'll try to unseat him when elections are held for the permanent government in December.

If any group can claim they had it rougher under Saddam than the Shiites, the Kurds can. Saddam killed them en masse, gassing them in the town of Halabja. Now they are a political force and in good position to bargain for oil profits.

There is a 90 percent projected turnout of Kurds. There are two Kurdish parties with lists of candidates: the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (search) and the Kurdish Democratic Party (search). They have elected to set aside their differences and vote for Kurdish power.

Kurds make up less than 20 percent of the population but are expected to win 25 percent of the seats in the National Assembly. They will have their say in selecting the prime minister and drafting the constitution.

In October, the new constitution will need to be ratified and the Kurds stand to hold bargaining power over the Shiites.

?We need the Kurds,? Saad Jawad, who is the head of the largest Shiite party in Iraq, recently told the Los Angeles Times.

Any three of the 18 provinces in Iraq can veto the constitution if they can muster a two-thirds popular majority against it. The Kurds dominate three provinces to the north of the country. This gives them power to strike deals, like a deal for control of the oilfields of Kirkuk.

However, Sunnis are one-fifth of the population and they cannot be ignored. And unlike the Kurds, they are Arabs. Iraq is a predominantly Arab country.

There is a good chance that when the Assembly members start cutting deals to choose the prime minister and the president, they may stick a Sunni in a post deserved by a Kurd, just to keep the peace.

Sunnis could also use the two-thirds veto clause to hold up the ratification of the constitution until they get their way.
 

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don't know if it's true yet but i just heard that they're estimating a 72% turnout.

the biggest turnout in an american election was 63%.

that would be amazing if true.
 

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Lets face it. The Iraqi people have a taste of democracy. They know all about dictators.

They have been able to open businesses and buy things that never happened before.

The streets are being cleaned up. The kids are starting to go to school. Water and electricity
is in the future.

They get to choose. They don't have their throats slit if they say who they want to run the country.

I feel good about it so far.

Let freedom ring.

Its the only chance they have.
 
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Even if they only got 20% this would have still been a huge success. Democrat or Republican you have to feel good for them.
 

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i`ll break my leave from the pol. forum for one brief comment....

i think clem said it well....regrdless of how you feel about the iraqi war,you have to feel good...seeing the iraqi`s dancing and smiling around poling places....many of them risked their lives....to vote for their country....with graffiti strewn about stating,"you vote you die"....

bush may not have gone into iraq for this reason originally....but,if some good can come from what`s happened over the course of the last 2 years we should all be thankful...

22 countries in the middle east...no democracies...

and the election doesn`t mean democracy will work...

if this happens to work...and the odds are still very long,it shouldn`t be taken as vindication of bush....it should be accepted for what it is....people trying to take control of their country from despots and religiously intolerant zealots...the shi`ia will have the most control...they are the majority.....and who knows,they may be the most likely to want fundamentalist type rule...so be it....

...i`m already hearing that strong efforts will be made to include the sunni`s in this government....even though they chose ,in many instances,not to vote...


on a sad note...it pained me to see in detroit,i think, some iraqi`s waiting in line to cast absentee ballots.....while other americanized arabs shouted obsenities at them....very ironic to see these arabs...residing in the u.s.....and jeering people trying to exercise their right to self determination....they were just voting...

but,they had every right to protest....in america...

ironic....
 
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anybody see the picture of those iraqi men doing a line dance.....and one dude in the middle doing what looked like "the funky chicken".....

i was laughing out loud....
 
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