medical problems cause half of personal bankruptcies...
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....................................................................dr. freeze said:
Thats the understatement of the year.
I can handle no empathy.
Its the doctor apathy that gets to me.
Look lady, your husband is dead. Forget about
it. Go home and I will send you the bill.
I have dinner reservations and I got to pick
up my new Mercedes tonight.
Scott-Atlanta said:
what do you have to say about the intern working for 4 bucks an hour working 100 hours per week
or the medical student paying 10 bucks per hour to work 100 hours per week
if its such a great deal, why dont you do it?
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dr
I admit I am not brain surgeon material.
We are not talking about me, we are talking about doctors.
They are learning on the job to make their future 300K salarys.
Alot of apprentices do that. Doctors are no better.
Tell me again how the students work 100 hours in a row with no sleep..... ra ra ra ra ra..... I don't buy it. I know better.
Hey, can't find the intern. Where is he/she? sleeping in the back room on a couch.
100 hours with no sleep. If thats true, no wonder patients under their care die. All the more reason why the old system has to change.
Just more reasons why medical costs have gone through the roof.
example.-
When I hospitalized one bill came well over 8 grand. We had no insurance at the time. I asked for and received a itemized bill. That was the most difficult confusing document I ever read through.
( I wonder why )
When I questioned many of the items on the bill ( with the help of my registered nurse sister ) there were charges that were totally not valid. They ended up taking off over a grand !
Most people don't question hospital bills and just try to pay it. Its stealing. Its why the medical profession is going down.
There are changes a coming.
It ain't just me freeze. Alot of people feel the same way I do.
Doctors, insurance co, and drug companies all want to maintain the rip off status quo.
The times they are a changing. I hope I don't need to vote for Hilliary to affect these changes.
RIP OFF!
sorry but I get kinda upset over this subject.
I admit I am not brain surgeon material.
We are not talking about me, we are talking about doctors.
They are learning on the job to make their future 300K salarys.
Alot of apprentices do that. Doctors are no better.
Tell me again how the students work 100 hours in a row with no sleep..... ra ra ra ra ra..... I don't buy it. I know better.
Hey, can't find the intern. Where is he/she? sleeping in the back room on a couch.
100 hours with no sleep. If thats true, no wonder patients under their care die. All the more reason why the old system has to change.
Just more reasons why medical costs have gone through the roof.
example.-
When I hospitalized one bill came well over 8 grand. We had no insurance at the time. I asked for and received a itemized bill. That was the most difficult confusing document I ever read through.
( I wonder why )
When I questioned many of the items on the bill ( with the help of my registered nurse sister ) there were charges that were totally not valid. They ended up taking off over a grand !
Most people don't question hospital bills and just try to pay it. Its stealing. Its why the medical profession is going down.
There are changes a coming.
It ain't just me freeze. Alot of people feel the same way I do.
Doctors, insurance co, and drug companies all want to maintain the rip off status quo.
The times they are a changing. I hope I don't need to vote for Hilliary to affect these changes.
RIP OFF!
sorry but I get kinda upset over this subject.
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I'm sure Doc hates those liberal unions and yet he is a member of one of the great unions of history the AMA.
Notice all the empathy Doc has for the lowly interns...but none for the overworked nurses and staff that do the real healing.
As for losing 90% of those going into medical school? What a crock! Nobody suggests they should live in poverty. And Doc you make a very revealing statement there...so you went into medicine for the dough huh? That kind of explains the whole problem with the profession right there.
Scott, great posts - you laid out some great data there. Now it should be clear to everyone WHY there is such resistance to rationalizing health care (as if it weren't already patently obvious).
Here is my question: Why is it that doctors AND lawyers think that what they are doing merits 2 or 3 hundred or more dollars an hour? ENGINEERS don't make near that and I would argue that in general they are much more intelligent people. Coud it be engineers aren't unionized and don't have a professionally highly paid lobbying arm in Congress?
Now if I am going to pay these exorbitant rates I think I have teh right to expect quality service and personal attention. That however is all too rare.
Notice all the empathy Doc has for the lowly interns...but none for the overworked nurses and staff that do the real healing.
As for losing 90% of those going into medical school? What a crock! Nobody suggests they should live in poverty. And Doc you make a very revealing statement there...so you went into medicine for the dough huh? That kind of explains the whole problem with the profession right there.
Scott, great posts - you laid out some great data there. Now it should be clear to everyone WHY there is such resistance to rationalizing health care (as if it weren't already patently obvious).
Here is my question: Why is it that doctors AND lawyers think that what they are doing merits 2 or 3 hundred or more dollars an hour? ENGINEERS don't make near that and I would argue that in general they are much more intelligent people. Coud it be engineers aren't unionized and don't have a professionally highly paid lobbying arm in Congress?
Now if I am going to pay these exorbitant rates I think I have teh right to expect quality service and personal attention. That however is all too rare.
Oh, one more thing.
Doctors like to rant against insurance companies. But I wonder if they would be raking in there scads of cash if it weren't for the fact that they know an insurance company is going to pay them. If instead, all we lucky insureds had to pay the costs they charge, guess what? People would get by with a lot less health care and suddenly the law of supply and demand would drive down the fees.
We need universal basic health care for everyone.
Doctors like to rant against insurance companies. But I wonder if they would be raking in there scads of cash if it weren't for the fact that they know an insurance company is going to pay them. If instead, all we lucky insureds had to pay the costs they charge, guess what? People would get by with a lot less health care and suddenly the law of supply and demand would drive down the fees.
We need universal basic health care for everyone.
Another example -
I go in for a CT scan. The one where you slide under the big oval machine. I am there for two hours including drinking the chalk tasting stuff.
They send me a bill for $ 2, 800. When I call them and explain I just got the same treatment a year ago and it was only 1400.
Oh they thought insurance was paying it.
They knock the bill down to 1500 without much argument. wtf !!!!!!!!!!
Its a huge circle joke of money changing hands and we the american people are the ones going bankrupt over this shit.
I go in for a CT scan. The one where you slide under the big oval machine. I am there for two hours including drinking the chalk tasting stuff.
They send me a bill for $ 2, 800. When I call them and explain I just got the same treatment a year ago and it was only 1400.
Oh they thought insurance was paying it.
They knock the bill down to 1500 without much argument. wtf !!!!!!!!!!
Its a huge circle joke of money changing hands and we the american people are the ones going bankrupt over this shit.
...........................................................dr. freeze said:
If doctors don't operate on the wrong leg
or screw up they don't have to worry about
it. Maybe they are too sleepy.
And that is not the real reason. You don't want
to talk about the real reasons.
...............................................................dr. freeze said:
dr
thats the same thing I got when I questioned
my confusing medical bill.
Did they teach you that in medical school ?
Is that a standard response now in the industry ?
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yep 90% of people go into medicine for the money
did i say i liked the AMA anywhere?
absolutely not...i hate the AMA
also dont like how hospitals work
doctors become bitter because they are being pulled in 30 differnet directions these days...they become bitter because they log 100 hour work weeks....they become bitter because they can get sued for anything
they become bitter because the hospital executive is making more money than them for doing nothing
your general internist is bitter because a nurse anethesist is making more money than he is
hey its not the easiest career and the days of the country club life in the 80's are no more
most surgeons work 70-80 hour weeks their whole career
there are still some good professions out there, but they are going to not be nearly as lucrative anymore
Scott, you are getting screwed by your itemized bill...you can negotiate this stuff with the hospital...they overcharge you and you shouldnt have to pay it....
it is crooked and every hospital runs that way...we ourselves have some medical bills and we fought them tooth and nail
did i say i liked the AMA anywhere?
absolutely not...i hate the AMA
also dont like how hospitals work
doctors become bitter because they are being pulled in 30 differnet directions these days...they become bitter because they log 100 hour work weeks....they become bitter because they can get sued for anything
they become bitter because the hospital executive is making more money than them for doing nothing
your general internist is bitter because a nurse anethesist is making more money than he is
hey its not the easiest career and the days of the country club life in the 80's are no more
most surgeons work 70-80 hour weeks their whole career
there are still some good professions out there, but they are going to not be nearly as lucrative anymore
Scott, you are getting screwed by your itemized bill...you can negotiate this stuff with the hospital...they overcharge you and you shouldnt have to pay it....
it is crooked and every hospital runs that way...we ourselves have some medical bills and we fought them tooth and nail
Scott-Atlanta said:
you dont think doctors dont worry about it when they mess up?
are you kidding me?
many lose their families, take their own lives, and pretty much lose it over the stress of their jobs
Scott-Atlanta said:
and how many of these people do you know who had the wrong leg operated on are running around
i have yet to meet one
Scott-Atlanta said:
i would pay about 500 of that 2800
the hospital is getting over big time on you
................................................................dr. freeze said:
Not hard to find these screw ups.
Surgeon operates on wrong hip
WASHINGTON -- A surgeon replaced the wrong hip on a patient at Washington Hospital Center last week, prompting officials there to launch an investigation and apologize.
Hospital officials Friday declined to identify the orthopedic surgeon who committed the error, but they said the hospital would pay the cost of Tuesday's procedure and any future operations.
The patient remained in the hospital Friday, according to spokeswoman Lisa Wyatt, and is still in the doctor's care.
The same doctor may perform the operation on the other hip later, she said.
"The physician realized it at the end of the procedure and immediately acknowledged it, talked to the family and told the family what had occurred," Wyatt said. "I don't know how he realized it. It was human error. I would say the doctor feels very, very badly.
-- The Washington Post
As scary as it is to contemplate that such an obvious case of medical malpractice could occur, it's the last paragraph of this article that hilariouses me.
Where she says, "I don't know how he realized it," the spokeswoman is telling us that she is altogether stumped as to how the surgeon might have figured out he was operating on the wrong hip. Apparently she is just flabbergasted, and maybe even a little impressed, that he could ever have noticed at all.
Also, I doubt she means what she said, that the doctor "feels very, very badly." If he's unhappy about his inexcusable mistake, then he feels bad, not badly. If he feels badly it means his fingers are insensitive to touch or that he interprets cold as heat or some such thing, i.e., that when he tries to feel, he doesn't do it well. It's bad enough that he's incompetent, but it would certainly be even worse if, as a surgeon, he really does feel badly.
From the New York Daily News as printed in The Kansas City Star on February 28, 2001.
Brain surgery was done on wrong side, reports say
NEW YORK -- The state Health Department and Long Island College Hospital are investigating allegations that surgery was performed on the wrong side of a patient's brain.
Rene Kotzen, 44, and Mike Chou, 37, were suspended by the hospital Wednesday, one day after an operation on Kevin Walsh.
Walsh, 41, was taken to the hospital's emergency room after a seizure. Doctors there discovered a potentially lethal blood clot in his brain.
The CT scan showed the the clot in the right side of the brain, but the surgery was initially performed on the left side, reports said. Investigators were looking into whether the CT scan was backwards when placed on the viewing screen.
Once the mistake was discovered, the left side was closed and surgery was performed on the right side, reports said.
A hospital spokeswoman declined Monday to discuss specifics of the case because of ongoing investigations.
Walsh was recovering at the hospital and was in stable condition.
The KC Star of April 25, 2001. See, I told you.
Craig DuMond, a physician, was dismissed from practice at a Saranac Lake, N.Y., medical facility in March after operating on the wrong knee of a patient.
Five years earlier DuMond had operated on a patient's wrong hip, so the medical center then initiated a safety procedure requiring the staff to write "yes" on the correct body part for surgery.
Because DuMond operated this time on a part that did not contain the word "yes," the medical center now requires the staff to write "no" on the body parts that will not be operated on.
The Kansas City Star of January 17, 2002. Let me summarize each headline.
Error results in surgery on wrong side of head
In Providence, Rhode Island, a surgical team drilled two holes through the left side of a patient's skull only to discover it was the right side that needed surgery. A CAT scan had been placed on an X-ray viewing box backwards.
Hospital mix-up blamed for deaths of two women
In New Haven, Connecticut, on January 11th a woman died during heart surgery because someone plugged her oxygen line into the receptacle for anesthetic gas. Four days later another woman died during the same type of procedure and for the same reason.
The last paragraph reads as follows:
"Officials would not identify the employees involved and said they do not expect to take any disciplinary action."
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Yikes
yikes is right
notice where these incidents are all taking place
guess what happens if you try to decertify these doctors?
answer: states licensing board will get sued
notice where these incidents are all taking place
guess what happens if you try to decertify these doctors?
answer: states licensing board will get sued
