...............................................................Scott4USC said:
Yeh that potential is what did it.
Hope they can win NC in 2005 and 2006. If they do dynasty is right there for the picking.
Unless PC leaves.
USC Dynasty in Jeopardy
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Yeh that potential is what did it.
Hope they can win NC in 2005 and 2006. If they do dynasty is right there for the picking.
Unless PC leaves.
Completely agree with the above. SC a great team, need to win next year and the year after. If they do that I will concede not only a dynasty, but maybe the best of all time.
No-one has won three in a row since polls began in 1935 (according to ESPN, I'm just a foreigner in these parts).
No-one has won three in a row since polls began in 1935 (according to ESPN, I'm just a foreigner in these parts).
Scott-Atlanta said:
Think you might need to look at history. Look at how many teams won back to back with a shared title. You be VERY suprised. In CFB a shared NC is considered a NC. People act like USC is the first to win a shared NC. Who do you consider a dynasty? You think USC needs to win 4 NC's in a row to be a dynasty? :mj07: Patriots won 3 SuperBowls in 4 years and they are considered a dynasty. On top of that, they didn't dominate their competition. Maybe with your standards NO TEAM has ever had a dynasty in CFB. My rule of thumb is "usually" 3 NC's within 5-10 year span. Other major bowl wins and top 10 finishes beef up the resume. But the key # is 3 and that is generally what "most" people feel is the criteria for a dynasty.
Englishman
You also have the same criteria which IMO is bogus. According to your standards no team has had a dynasty? If you think about it, winning NC's today is 10x harder than it used to be with the 85 man scholarship limit AND players leaving early for NFL. So maybe back to back NC's should be considered a dynasty in CFB. Think about it.
I wonder what teams you consider a dynasty (if any) because very few if any teams have a better resume to be claimed a dynasty than USC who you seem to think needs to win 4 NC's in a row. I predict a 2 loss season for USC in 2006 so small chance USC even comes close to winning 4 in a row. 3 in a row would be amazing.
Definition of a dynasty is.........
"a line of kings of the same family"
Tell me what teams in CFB have a dynasty and I guarantee USC follows in line or EXCEEDS their accomplishments.
I consider Nebraska, FSU and Miami to have dynasties in recenct CFB history.
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Carroll has USC on path to becoming next dynasty
The lure of big money in the pros is hardly the biggest change the game has seen since Notre Dame established college football?s first empire in the 1920s. But the one constant for teams that put their stamp on each decade has been the emergence of a leader with a vision grand enough to nourish and sustain them.
It started with Knute Rockne and the Fighting Irish, then continued through Bud Wilkinson at Oklahoma, Bear Bryant at Alabama, Joe Paterno at Penn State, Tom Osborne at Nebraska and, most recently, Bobby Bowden at Florida State.
Carroll wouldn?t put himself in that class, nor should anyone else ? yet.
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I found this without really trying too hard. USC is not a dynasty yet.
Its only in your fantasy USC head.
And I doubt they will ever be a empire. That comes after a dynasty. And USC aint even that yet.
Lets see them win two more NC then I will concede. What are you so worried about anyways ? You piss your pants just thinking
about the possible dynasty. Get a life dude.
The lure of big money in the pros is hardly the biggest change the game has seen since Notre Dame established college football?s first empire in the 1920s. But the one constant for teams that put their stamp on each decade has been the emergence of a leader with a vision grand enough to nourish and sustain them.
It started with Knute Rockne and the Fighting Irish, then continued through Bud Wilkinson at Oklahoma, Bear Bryant at Alabama, Joe Paterno at Penn State, Tom Osborne at Nebraska and, most recently, Bobby Bowden at Florida State.
Carroll wouldn?t put himself in that class, nor should anyone else ? yet.
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I found this without really trying too hard. USC is not a dynasty yet.
Its only in your fantasy USC head.
And I doubt they will ever be a empire. That comes after a dynasty. And USC aint even that yet.
Lets see them win two more NC then I will concede. What are you so worried about anyways ? You piss your pants just thinking
about the possible dynasty. Get a life dude.
Knute Rockne -- who also fought semi-professionally in South Bend, wrote for the student newspaper and yearbook, played flute in the school orchestra, took a major role in every student play and reached the finals of the Notre Dame marbles tournament -- considered himself primarily a student. He worked his way through school, first as a janitor and then as a chemistry research assistant to Professor Julius A. Nieuwland, whose discoveries led to synthetic rubber. Rockne graduated magna cum laude with a 90.52 (on a scale of 100) grade average.
Upon graduation Rockne was offered a post at Notre Dame as a graduate assistant in chemistry. He accepted that position on the condition that he be allowed to help Jesse Harper coach the football team. When Harper retired after the 1917 season, Rockne was named his successor.
Under Rockne's tutelage, Notre Dame skyrocketed to national prominence and became America's team.
During Rockne's 13-year coaching tenure, Notre Dame beat Stanford in the '25 Rose Bowl and put together five unbeaten and untied seasons. Rockne produced 20 first-team All-Americans. His lifetime winning percentage of .881 (105-12-5) still ranks at the top of the list for both college and professional football. Rockne won the last 19 games he coached..
Rockne, who was inducted into the National Football Foundation Hall of Fame in 1951 --the first year of inductions --revolutionized the game of football with his wide-ranging ideas and innovations.
Rockne was the first football coach to take his team all over the country and initiate intersectional rivalries. The Irish competed in a national arena. He challenged the best football teams in the land and almost always won.
Using his medical and anatomical knowledge, Rockne designed his own equipment and uniforms. He reduced the amount of bulk and weight of the equipment, while increasing its protectiveness. He also introduced the gold satin and silk pants that cut down on wind resistance.
Rockne foresaw the day of the two-platoon system and often used his "shock troops," a full team of second stringers, at the start of most games.
Inspired by the precision and timing of a chorus line, Rockne added the Notre Dame shift to his playbook. In the shift, all four backs were still in motion at the snap. Opponents were so dumbfounded by the shift that they couldn't find a consistent way to handle it. The rules board finally enacted a law against the shift.
Rockne also attempted to outsmart his coaching peers by downplaying his squads' talent. He never boasted about his team or its strengths; rather, he lamented his squad's lack of skill every chance he got.
Rockne believed that half of football strategy was passing, while most of his counterparts kept the ball on the ground.
But football was never enough for Rockne. He also served as Notre Dame's athletic director, business manager, ticket distributor, track coach and equipment manager; he wrote a newspaper column once a week; he authored three books, including a volume of juvenile fiction; Rockne was principle designer of Notre Dame Stadium; he opened a stock brokerage firm in South Bend during his last season; he was a dedicated family man to his wife Bonnie and their four children and for years raised much of the family's food in his garden. Rockne also made several public speeches a year and served as a public spokesman for Studebaker.
After the championship season of 1930, Rockne tried to get away for a much-needed rest and vacation. But he was needed in Los Angeles to make a football demonstration movie.
An enthusiastic flier and never one to waste time, Rockne boarded Transcontinental-Western's Flight 599 from Kansas City to Los Angeles on March 31, 1931. Shortly after takeoff, the plane flew into a storm, became covered with ice and fell into a wheat field near Bazaar, Kan. There were no survivors.
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Scott4USC
Pete Carroll couldn't carry this guys jock.
Your USC teams don't compare to this.
Now this, this was a dynasty. Then it became a empire.
And you can say only recent CFB is important and to that I say hogwash. A empire is a empire.
enough said.
KOD
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..................................................................Scott4USC said:
thats one of them oxymoron things.
I agree USC is not currently a dynasty./ Scott4USC
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Thats where you are wrong Trojan man. A shared NC is called a backdoor wussy NC. It means you weren't good enough to be declared the real NC.
It sounds simple enough.
Scott-Atlanta said:
Thanks for displaying your intelligence level and immaturity.
Like I mentioned earlier, you can't compare eras because coaches were coaching under different rules. You can make a strong argument it is much tougher to win NOW with the 85 man limit and players leaving early to NFL. Again you show a lack of maturity and knowledge for the game of CFB when you said Carroll couldn't carry his jock.
I also don't understand why you can't express your own opinion. You paste articles about life achievements of coaches. Can't stay on topic? The argument was about dynasties and what YOU feel qualifies for a dynasty. You never said what criteria qualifies as a dynasty. You say USC needs 4 straight NC's to be a dynasty yet No team has won 3 straight NC's. Therefore you don't think there has been a dynasty in CFB? Why can't you take a firm stance on the argument.
All in all, you failed to state what it takes to qualify for a dynasty. You failed to express your own opinion? Only opinion you expressed was USC not qualifying to be a dynasty and would need to win NC in 2005 and 2006 to qualify under your terms. Yet no team in CFB history would then qualify under your terms. Then again, you never stated the criteria to become a dynasty.
What you should have done is said I don't think USC is a dynasty because............
This is what I feel qualifies being a dynasty...........
Here are some examples of teams I think had dynasties..................
Would have taken 5 minutes or less to type. Just post your own opinion instead of articles about coaching achievements. Take out your baby attacks and let yourself come across being intelligent. Then we can have a football discussion. You did feel it was necessary to post in this thread so I am taking it you wanted to have a football discussion. That is exactly what this CFB Forum is here for. "NCAA Football Picks and Discussions."
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What you should have done is said I don't think USC is a dynasty because............
Because they need to win
the NC in 2005 and 2006.
This is what I feel qualifies being a dynasty....
His lifetime winning percentage of .881 (105-12-5) still ranks at the top of the list for both college and professional football.
Here are some examples of teams I think had dynasties..................
Notre Dame
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I think your reading comprehension is waning as I think I stated my case clearly with dignity and truthfulness.
Because they need to win
the NC in 2005 and 2006.
This is what I feel qualifies being a dynasty....
His lifetime winning percentage of .881 (105-12-5) still ranks at the top of the list for both college and professional football.
Here are some examples of teams I think had dynasties..................
Notre Dame
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I think your reading comprehension is waning as I think I stated my case clearly with dignity and truthfulness.
.............................................................Scott4USC said:
Uh its the off season if you didn't notice. I don't see many others coming in here debating your opinions.
I choose to stick to facts. Fact is Coach Carroll couldn't carry Knute's jock. Thats a fact. Or maybe you can post Pete Carrolls all time college football record. I will see if I can find it.
As for your assertion about
"You can make a strong argument it is much tougher to win NOW with the 85 man limit and players leaving early to NFL."
thats your opinion and the reason you like to throw that up is so you can discount past dynastys like Notre Dame.
Please try to stick to the topic.
Seattle Post-Intelligencer
Trojans didn't wow Chow
Standing at that lectern a couple of weeks ago, his voice breaking, his forehead sweating, we thought Matt Leinart was making this difficult decision alone.
Turns out, he had company.
``This was about Matt and Norm,'' said his father, Bob. ``They were doing this together. One last year together.''
Together, Matt and his guru Norm Chow, meeting for an hour every day to talk about everything.
Together, Matt and Norm designing and running plays that have resulted in 25 victories in 26 starts.
Together, Matt and Norm at Norm's house on Thanksgiving, on the phone after dinner, on the field hugging after consecutive national titles.
When Leinart announced last month that he was turning down NFL millions to remaining at USC for his senior season, he said, ``Something special is going on that I just wasn't ready to give up.''
More than anything, that something special was Chow.
Leinart didn't want to sacrifice their relationship.
How unfortunate that, a few weeks later, USC sacrificed it anyway.
How disappointing that the powerful Trojan family couldn't do enough to keep the guy who put the game in Leinart's head and the ``man'' in Leinart's Heisman.
For once, a big-time player reminds us that the game is still personal, still fun, and what happens?
For the umpteenth time, a big-time team reminds us that it's all business.
All the talk this week is about how USC and Pete Carroll will survive the loss of Chow.
What about the star who stayed specifically to play for him?
``It's very disheartening, and I know Matt is also very disheartened,'' said Bob Leinart, speaking not as a critic, but as a dad. And who can blame him? ``We know this is a business, but this is the bad part of the business,'' he added. ``There's no loyalty, and that's sad.''
Bob Leinart wouldn't say it, but someone should.
This is not about the coach's loyalty to the program, but vice versa.
Norm Chow had already shown his loyalty to USC.
He bought a house here last summer. He sent two of his children to USC. He turned down the head coaching job at Kentucky to stay here.
He has told anyone who would listen that he wasn't enamored of the NFL.
Until this week, he has never openly sought a job in the NFL.
And nothing he has done in his low-key career suggests that he was ever doing this for the money.
So how in the heck do the Trojans lose him to a mediocre NFL team like the Tennessee Titans for a far-less-than-Pete-Carroll salary of about $900,000?
Here's guessing, if they wanted, they could have kept him for less.
Here's wondering if his changing job description and potentially reduced responsibilities made him feel as if he didn't have a choice.
The Trojan family can move mountains, so it's strange that nobody was willing to keep the shine on a Heisman or buy a lock for a dynasty. ...
Pete Carroll is the best college coach in the country, and deserves benefit of the doubt.
But in this case, there is doubt.
It was first reported in this space that Carroll and Chow, while always complimentary of each other, were increasingly uncomfortable with each other.
It is naive to think that just because they won't publicly acknowledge disagreements means they don't exist.
Knowing Chow was eventually leaving to be a college head coach, Carroll probably wanted to start planning for life without him.
Wanting more input and credit in the offense, maybe Carroll figured the time to start fading the spotlight on Chow was now.
Here's guessing Chow felt he better leave before he was pushed out.
The only thing certain is that their most important player is the one who feels the biggest loss. If the NFL had given him an extra six weeks to figure out his future, do you think he would have turned pro? Would you blame him?
If he was able to finish his schoolwork in June and become eligible for an NFL supplemental draft this summer, would he do it? Why not?
Leinart can still have a splendid senior season. He knows the offense so well, he could audible every play and make it work. His receivers trust him. His running backs will block for him. Steve Sarkisian will return to the sidelines to push him.
Yet even with all that help, there will be times that Leinart will feel alone.
Without the Chow comfort zone, there will be a lot more pressure. There will be many more adjustments. It can't be as much fun.
-Bill Plaschke
Los Angeles Times
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OUCH, TROUBLE IN PARADISE
Trojans didn't wow Chow
Standing at that lectern a couple of weeks ago, his voice breaking, his forehead sweating, we thought Matt Leinart was making this difficult decision alone.
Turns out, he had company.
``This was about Matt and Norm,'' said his father, Bob. ``They were doing this together. One last year together.''
Together, Matt and his guru Norm Chow, meeting for an hour every day to talk about everything.
Together, Matt and Norm designing and running plays that have resulted in 25 victories in 26 starts.
Together, Matt and Norm at Norm's house on Thanksgiving, on the phone after dinner, on the field hugging after consecutive national titles.
When Leinart announced last month that he was turning down NFL millions to remaining at USC for his senior season, he said, ``Something special is going on that I just wasn't ready to give up.''
More than anything, that something special was Chow.
Leinart didn't want to sacrifice their relationship.
How unfortunate that, a few weeks later, USC sacrificed it anyway.
How disappointing that the powerful Trojan family couldn't do enough to keep the guy who put the game in Leinart's head and the ``man'' in Leinart's Heisman.
For once, a big-time player reminds us that the game is still personal, still fun, and what happens?
For the umpteenth time, a big-time team reminds us that it's all business.
All the talk this week is about how USC and Pete Carroll will survive the loss of Chow.
What about the star who stayed specifically to play for him?
``It's very disheartening, and I know Matt is also very disheartened,'' said Bob Leinart, speaking not as a critic, but as a dad. And who can blame him? ``We know this is a business, but this is the bad part of the business,'' he added. ``There's no loyalty, and that's sad.''
Bob Leinart wouldn't say it, but someone should.
This is not about the coach's loyalty to the program, but vice versa.
Norm Chow had already shown his loyalty to USC.
He bought a house here last summer. He sent two of his children to USC. He turned down the head coaching job at Kentucky to stay here.
He has told anyone who would listen that he wasn't enamored of the NFL.
Until this week, he has never openly sought a job in the NFL.
And nothing he has done in his low-key career suggests that he was ever doing this for the money.
So how in the heck do the Trojans lose him to a mediocre NFL team like the Tennessee Titans for a far-less-than-Pete-Carroll salary of about $900,000?
Here's guessing, if they wanted, they could have kept him for less.
Here's wondering if his changing job description and potentially reduced responsibilities made him feel as if he didn't have a choice.
The Trojan family can move mountains, so it's strange that nobody was willing to keep the shine on a Heisman or buy a lock for a dynasty. ...
Pete Carroll is the best college coach in the country, and deserves benefit of the doubt.
But in this case, there is doubt.
It was first reported in this space that Carroll and Chow, while always complimentary of each other, were increasingly uncomfortable with each other.
It is naive to think that just because they won't publicly acknowledge disagreements means they don't exist.
Knowing Chow was eventually leaving to be a college head coach, Carroll probably wanted to start planning for life without him.
Wanting more input and credit in the offense, maybe Carroll figured the time to start fading the spotlight on Chow was now.
Here's guessing Chow felt he better leave before he was pushed out.
The only thing certain is that their most important player is the one who feels the biggest loss. If the NFL had given him an extra six weeks to figure out his future, do you think he would have turned pro? Would you blame him?
If he was able to finish his schoolwork in June and become eligible for an NFL supplemental draft this summer, would he do it? Why not?
Leinart can still have a splendid senior season. He knows the offense so well, he could audible every play and make it work. His receivers trust him. His running backs will block for him. Steve Sarkisian will return to the sidelines to push him.
Yet even with all that help, there will be times that Leinart will feel alone.
Without the Chow comfort zone, there will be a lot more pressure. There will be many more adjustments. It can't be as much fun.
-Bill Plaschke
Los Angeles Times
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OUCH, TROUBLE IN PARADISE
Was Chow forced out? Kiffin appears to hold door for his exit
By STEVE BISHEFF
The Orange County Register
His name is Lane Kiffin, and he is young, smart, ambitious and the new cardinal-and-golden boy of the USC football coaching staff.
He is also one of the main reasons Norm Chow is no longer the Trojans' offensive coordinator today.
In their own, private Heritage Hall world, where extraordinary success would inevitably butt helmets with emerging egos, the No.1 college program in America has undergone a dramatic overhaul in the past few weeks.
But nothing has been as shocking to the public and as disturbing to many of the players as the sudden departure of Chow, universally recognized as one of the finest offensive coordinators in NCAA history.
But there is more to it than that. A lot more.
There is almost a soap opera-ish quality to what has been quietly happening behind the headlines, beginning with Chow confiding to some people that he felt he was being forced out at USC.
It got so bad, there were those who felt the 58-year-old offensive guru might have quit the Trojans, taken his thick playbook and walked away, even had he not received that lucrative, $1 million offer from Jeff Fisher and his NFL team.
OK, but what everyone doesn't understand is what led to all this.
Kiffin, just 29, is at the heart of it.
First of all, he is the son of Monte Kiffin, the Tampa Bay Bucs defensive coordinator who happens to be Carroll's closest friend in the business.
As the coach of the wide receivers and the "passing game coordinator," young Kiffin's role seemed to be constantly growing, to the point where he was deeply involved in the offensive game plan this past season.
Maybe a little too involved for Chow's sake.
Still, Kiffin, who also has been the highly energized point man for the Trojans' wildly successful national recruiting program, clearly has become a favorite of Carroll, who considers him one of the brighter coaching prospects in the country.
To keep him, Carroll might have had to promise Kiffin a similar promotion at USC.
The rumor was Chow, if he stayed, would be designated assistant head coach and work strictly with the quarterbacks, while Kiffin and another rising, young star and Chow disciple, Steve Sarkisian, currently with the Oakland Raiders, would split the offensive coordinator duties.
Chow, who was not enamored with Kiffin anyway, was said to be deeply upset by the new plan, which he perceived as an indirect way to nudge him toward taking another job.
The result is that the long-term future of USC football seems to be swaying precariously in the warm Southern California breeze today.
This is a major gamble Carroll is taking, saying goodbye to Chow, whose record across 35 years of coaching is exemplary, and entrusting a large part of the job to a 29-year old who has just completed his fourth season at USC.
Kiffin is certainly a controversial choice.
He has been described as both "brilliant" and "abrasive" by those who have worked with him. And in his first few seasons with the Trojans, there were more than a few players who weren't admirers of his methods.
While Orgeron was the coordinator of recruiting, Kiffin has been the guy who has been beating down the recruits' doors nationally.
He has been a pivotal figure in the signings of Mike Williams, Dominique Byrd, Dwayne Jarrett and Keith Rivers, just to mention a few.
You could say his work ethic has been exceeded only by the range of his ambition.
The quinessential coach's son, Kiffin never has hidden the fact he wants to be a head coach, and the sooner the better.
Has Carroll always been a little sensitive about the credit Chow would get for the Trojans' explosive offense? Probably.
Would that, by itself, have been enough to convince him to make such a drastic change? That's the question no one can answer but Carroll, and he certainly won't be addressing it any time soon.
Already, some at USC are trying to say Chow's energy was diminishing, claiming he didn't put in as many hours as others.
Well, my reply to that would be to talk to Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart. Ask them how long and hard Chow worked to help each win the Heisman Trophy.
Whatever else they want to say, they can't knock Chow's contributions. For four years, his remarkably creative offense and Carroll's beautifully designed defensive schemes created a kind of harmonic convergence rarely seen at any level of football.
It's sad it couldn't continue.
It's even sadder that it turned so unseemly at the end.
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Looks to me like Kiffin is running the show. So its not the legend Pete Carroll signing all the recruits. Its this boy Kiffin. Maybe he takes PC job in the future.
By STEVE BISHEFF
The Orange County Register
His name is Lane Kiffin, and he is young, smart, ambitious and the new cardinal-and-golden boy of the USC football coaching staff.
He is also one of the main reasons Norm Chow is no longer the Trojans' offensive coordinator today.
In their own, private Heritage Hall world, where extraordinary success would inevitably butt helmets with emerging egos, the No.1 college program in America has undergone a dramatic overhaul in the past few weeks.
But nothing has been as shocking to the public and as disturbing to many of the players as the sudden departure of Chow, universally recognized as one of the finest offensive coordinators in NCAA history.
But there is more to it than that. A lot more.
There is almost a soap opera-ish quality to what has been quietly happening behind the headlines, beginning with Chow confiding to some people that he felt he was being forced out at USC.
It got so bad, there were those who felt the 58-year-old offensive guru might have quit the Trojans, taken his thick playbook and walked away, even had he not received that lucrative, $1 million offer from Jeff Fisher and his NFL team.
OK, but what everyone doesn't understand is what led to all this.
Kiffin, just 29, is at the heart of it.
First of all, he is the son of Monte Kiffin, the Tampa Bay Bucs defensive coordinator who happens to be Carroll's closest friend in the business.
As the coach of the wide receivers and the "passing game coordinator," young Kiffin's role seemed to be constantly growing, to the point where he was deeply involved in the offensive game plan this past season.
Maybe a little too involved for Chow's sake.
Still, Kiffin, who also has been the highly energized point man for the Trojans' wildly successful national recruiting program, clearly has become a favorite of Carroll, who considers him one of the brighter coaching prospects in the country.
To keep him, Carroll might have had to promise Kiffin a similar promotion at USC.
The rumor was Chow, if he stayed, would be designated assistant head coach and work strictly with the quarterbacks, while Kiffin and another rising, young star and Chow disciple, Steve Sarkisian, currently with the Oakland Raiders, would split the offensive coordinator duties.
Chow, who was not enamored with Kiffin anyway, was said to be deeply upset by the new plan, which he perceived as an indirect way to nudge him toward taking another job.
The result is that the long-term future of USC football seems to be swaying precariously in the warm Southern California breeze today.
This is a major gamble Carroll is taking, saying goodbye to Chow, whose record across 35 years of coaching is exemplary, and entrusting a large part of the job to a 29-year old who has just completed his fourth season at USC.
Kiffin is certainly a controversial choice.
He has been described as both "brilliant" and "abrasive" by those who have worked with him. And in his first few seasons with the Trojans, there were more than a few players who weren't admirers of his methods.
While Orgeron was the coordinator of recruiting, Kiffin has been the guy who has been beating down the recruits' doors nationally.
He has been a pivotal figure in the signings of Mike Williams, Dominique Byrd, Dwayne Jarrett and Keith Rivers, just to mention a few.
You could say his work ethic has been exceeded only by the range of his ambition.
The quinessential coach's son, Kiffin never has hidden the fact he wants to be a head coach, and the sooner the better.
Has Carroll always been a little sensitive about the credit Chow would get for the Trojans' explosive offense? Probably.
Would that, by itself, have been enough to convince him to make such a drastic change? That's the question no one can answer but Carroll, and he certainly won't be addressing it any time soon.
Already, some at USC are trying to say Chow's energy was diminishing, claiming he didn't put in as many hours as others.
Well, my reply to that would be to talk to Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart. Ask them how long and hard Chow worked to help each win the Heisman Trophy.
Whatever else they want to say, they can't knock Chow's contributions. For four years, his remarkably creative offense and Carroll's beautifully designed defensive schemes created a kind of harmonic convergence rarely seen at any level of football.
It's sad it couldn't continue.
It's even sadder that it turned so unseemly at the end.
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Looks to me like Kiffin is running the show. So its not the legend Pete Carroll signing all the recruits. Its this boy Kiffin. Maybe he takes PC job in the future.
All-Time Coaching Records
300+ Win Coaching Records
No Coach First Last Years Games Win Loss Tie Pct.
1
John Gagliardi
1949
2004
56
549
421 117 11 0.777
2
Eddie Robinson
1941
1997
55
588
408 165 15 0.707
3
Bobby Bowden
1959
2004
39
457
351 102 4 0.772
4
Joe Paterno
1966
2004
39
462
343 116 3 0.746
5
Amos Alonzo Stagg
1890
1946
57
576
340 200 36 0.622
6
Paul W. "Bear" Bryant
1945
1982
38
425
323 85 17 0.780
7
Glenn Scobey "Pop" Warner
1895
1938
44
457
318 107 32 0.731
8
Roy Kidd
1964
2002
39
446
314 124 8 0.713
9
Harold R. "Tubby" Raymond
1966
2001
36
422
300 119 3 0.714
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OK I found it. Pete Carroll is 42-9.
To have a dynasty the Coach has to be a big part of it.
Not winning 42 college games....
Pete Carroll will be gone before any dynasty can be declared at USC.
Just expressing my opinions.
300+ Win Coaching Records
No Coach First Last Years Games Win Loss Tie Pct.
1
John Gagliardi
1949
2004
56
549
421 117 11 0.777
2
Eddie Robinson
1941
1997
55
588
408 165 15 0.707
3
Bobby Bowden
1959
2004
39
457
351 102 4 0.772
4
Joe Paterno
1966
2004
39
462
343 116 3 0.746
5
Amos Alonzo Stagg
1890
1946
57
576
340 200 36 0.622
6
Paul W. "Bear" Bryant
1945
1982
38
425
323 85 17 0.780
7
Glenn Scobey "Pop" Warner
1895
1938
44
457
318 107 32 0.731
8
Roy Kidd
1964
2002
39
446
314 124 8 0.713
9
Harold R. "Tubby" Raymond
1966
2001
36
422
300 119 3 0.714
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OK I found it. Pete Carroll is 42-9.
To have a dynasty the Coach has to be a big part of it.
Not winning 42 college games....
Pete Carroll will be gone before any dynasty can be declared at USC.
Just expressing my opinions.
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I am pretty sure that is Lane Killin in the back with the sunglasses on. He is smirking about eating the chow for lunch and giving him the boot. Its said he may be coaching Leinert next season. Maybe Leinert will go for the supplemental draft now in June.
Uh oh
Wrong. It is very difficult to compare eras because of the 85 man limit and 25 yearly scholarship limit. In addition to players leaving early to the NFL. You said you choose to talk about facts. THESE ARE THE FACTS!
You still can't tell me "your" criteria to be claimed a dynasty. You post coaches all time records and USC articles (bla bla bla), but you continue to fail expressing your own opinion. I am not interested in all time coaches records or articles talking about USC and their offseason issues. I am talking about what is the general criteria of being claimed a dynasty. The "general" rule is 3 championships within a decade. I am asking YOU what you feel is the criteria to be claimed a dynasty. If it is such difficult task for you to post your own opinion, then I am done with this discussion with you.
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