another one bites the dust

[Nick Douglas]

I should have specified that the most likely origination of AIDS is what I mentioned. It is true that nobody knows for sure.

DTB, you are way, way out there living in fantasyland if you were serious in what you wrote in your last post. Wow.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

"And DTB, a Utopia with 'no liberals and no Muslims'?
(A bit like smurfy here, guessing at your defination of liberal)....but I take it that you mean that the island then would be ruled by a government, that no-one was allowed to disagree with. You'd have a religion, ONE religion (because it's the right one!).
Stepford Wives?...Attack of the Clones?...Hey, it might well be your idea of a perfect world. Ever thought of joining an Armish communtiy"

Who said anything about one religion or gov rule??

We have 2 parties here and despite the one in power it is for most part a democracy regardless which is in office.Both sides are made up of many religions.
I am just showing how simple it would be to live with out terrorists-aids ect.
It is example of my old--build a wall down middle uf US and have liberals on one side and conserves on other. One side would flourish the other could not exist.
You gets your sexial deviates--the ACLU fighting for child porn-you get the gettos--the flag burners--the protestors-the
mal content--the bulk of welfare recipients-and I could go on endlessly--
We'll take white house/picket fence--patriotic-40 hour per week working class--
and see who will flourish and who will tank if made to live by their convictions.

and getting back totitle --another one bites the dust--just where do these people go in aftermath
here is one example

Critic's Defeatist Rhetoric

Tuesday, February 15, 2005

By David Asman



Not all Marines take pride in the work of their brothers.

Take Scott Ritter (search), a former Marine and United Nations weapons inspector, who has turned into a critic of just about anything the U.S. does in Iraq. Now he?s writing for Al-Jazeera?s Web site, which seems like a perfect home for his defeatist rhetoric.

According to Mr. Ritter, ?The highly vaunted U.S. military machine, laurelled and praised for its historic march on Baghdad (search) in March and April of 2003, today finds itself a broken force, on the defensive in a land that it may occupy in part, but does not control.?

Offering no proof whatsoever, Mr. Ritter accuses the U.S. of conspiring with Iraqi assassination squads (search), and that, not foreign terrorists or former Saddam officials, is what started the post-war violence in Iraq: ?Having started the game of politically motivated assassination, the U.S. has once again found itself trumped by forces inside Iraq it does not understand, and as such will never be able to defeat.?

As for the enemy, which he calls a ?genuine grassroots national liberation movement,? Ritter is generous: ?History will eventually depict as legitimate the efforts of the Iraqi resistance to destabilise and defeat the American occupation forces and their imposed Iraqi collaborationist government.?

The only way out, according to Ritter, is for us to fail: ?It is hard as an American to support the failure of American military operations in Iraq. Such failure will bring with it the death and wounding of many American service members, and many more Iraqis.?

It may be hard for Mr. Ritter to root for the enemy in Iraq, but that?s exactly what he?s doing. Why he?s doing that is another question.

 

[smurphy]

The problem with the Utopia DTB is where does one draw the line? You speak as if everyone's values are Black and white, when in fact we are all over the place. Lots of Republicans are gay, for example. Where do they live? Many of them are conservative all the way down the line, responsible hard working citizens, church-goers, etc. But their personal life happens to be homosexual. They probably know and love people with Aids. Where do these people go?

I am just showing how simple it would be to live with out terrorists-aids ect.

I like the way you lump them together, as if they have anything to do with each other.

You want simple? Then your utopia better not interact with any other countries. You better not ever go to war. And you better cut yourself off from every media outlet.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

only reason i lumped them together was I figure them to be the biggest threat to,lets say, man kind in general.
When I referred to liberal and conservatives I do not equate them with dems and rebs in general. I know lots of conservative Dems and some liberal rebs. I surely don't think either side has the right answer on all issues--I am simply saying one could live in aids free and terrorist free environment with just a little common sense--not to mention the benefits of reduced ins premiums (property and health)--reduction of crime--no P.C.> B.S. ect.--believe it or not there are still places now in U.S. where you can leave your house and car unlocked without fear of theft--have 0 aids cases--never had drive by shooting--english is spoken by everyone---but guess what element these places all have in common--conservative people both dems and rebs wth traditional values of the old days.

 

[smurphy]

These towns you speak of - will they exist on their own off the grid so to speak - or still rely on cities (which are of course festering with gays and terrorists)?

Just seems that you selecting a convenient slice of our society off the entire pie. I think that slice relies on the rest more than you think.

I probably actually agree with you on most things. An exclusive utopia, however, just seems wrong and impossible. You will end up with AIDS and terrorists. Unless you run the place like N. Korea, it's a mathematical certainty.

 

[kosar]

only reason i lumped them together was I figure them to be the biggest threat to,lets say, man kind in general.

I am simply saying one could live in aids free and terrorist free environment with just a little common sense--not to mention the benefits of reduced ins premiums (property and health)--reduction of crime--

-never had drive by shooting--english is spoken by everyone---but guess what element these places all have in common--conservative people both dems and rebs wth traditional values of the old days.

Man, I tried to stay out of this thread, but as usual it didn't work.

Wayne, honestly. What % of the population of this country if affected at all by either AIDS or terrorism or drive-bys or 'non- english speakers?'

You seem to be very paranoid, brother. I don't know how often you venture out of Kentucky, but you make it seem like this entire country is a free-for-all except for little pockets of small-town America.

People in Boston, NYC, San Fran, etc are doing just fine, right along with people in Oklahoma City, Fargo, Boise and Bowling Green.

AIDS is not nearly one of the two greatest threats to mankind, regardless of people like you and Freeze who show your disgust every chance you get for those affected.

Please don't respond with any BS about how AIDS causes our insurance rates to skyrocket and that that is how we're sooooo affected. Just add every single other vice that we as humans indulge in to that list, but on a much larger scale. We're not robots to be sent to your little utopian island. Christ.

Greatest threat to mankind? Please.

And terrorism affects our property insurance? Are you trying to be funny, or what?

 

[smurphy]

Fat out of shape people in small-town America with coroded arteries from overeating cause our insurance rates to go wwwaayy up.

 

[kosar]

Fat out of shape people in small-town America with coroded arteries from overeating cause our insurance rates to go wwwaayy up.

No doubt. Obesity in the red counties(like 85% of all counties in America, I understand) is an out of control problem and costing us billions in higher premiums.

At least in the cities, crack addictions stifle appetites and there are lots of lean folks there.

 

[smurphy]

I knew there had to be SOMETHING good about the blue counties

....nice job grabbing the priceless gem from freeze for your sig / you beat me to it!

 

[kosar]

....nice job grabbing the priceless gem from freeze for your sig / you beat me to it!

Sorry man. While you were wasting your time arguing with that nut, I was busy in the CP getting the sig. Don't worry, he provides plenty of material for everybody.

 

[dr. freeze]

again for you bozo's:

at the extreme left wing you find totalitarian governments
at the extreme right wing you find anarchy

if you think the Nazi regime was about big government, it was on the left side of the spectrum

if you think the Nazi regime had little if any power over the people you guys are right and it is right next to anarchy

here is one for the nonthinkers: if you repeat the lie long enough, soon people will start to believe it

 

[smurphy]

never underestimate the stupidity of people in large groups ...or something like that ....you may as well just start quoting my cousin dan.

 

[dr. freeze]

naw you people love to scoff but when required to think for yourselfs (to quote DJV) i can only hear what someone else told you was so

 

[yyz]

When it come to politics, etc, no one "thinks for themselves", Matt.

We all have notions that were given to us from someone else.

 

[dr. freeze]

ok Frank, whatever

i guess when i was learning about governments i was told anarchy was on the right and totalitarian regimes were on the left

then i asked myself why Nazi regime was considered far right?

and the rest i deduced and have found plenty who agree with me despite these left wing nuts that refuse to question what their marxist prof told them

please refer to my handle for future correspondence since we are not on a first name basis nor probably ever will be

thank you

--Mr. Freeze

 

[yyz]

I highly doubt you are on a "first name basis" with many people, big12king, unless they are shouting, "Fu*k you, Matt!"

I was merely being cordial. While thinking for yourself, think about being less of a dick 24/7. Not everything requires a sardonic tone, yet that seems to be all you know. I pitty the patients you might encounter some day. No matter how much of a point you try to make, it will always be lost on people when you act the way you do. It doesn't matter if it is on a dumb assed bulletin board, or in real life. All people hear is the rant.


....and how the hell do you have time to study, with all the world saving you are required to do?



By the way, plenty of people agree with Art Bell, too.

 

[Nosigar]

ok Frank, whatever

i guess when i was learning about governments i was told anarchy was on the right and totalitarian regimes were on the left

then i asked myself why Nazi regime was considered far right?

and the rest i deduced and have found plenty who agree with me despite these left wing nuts that refuse to question what their marxist prof told them

please refer to my handle for future correspondence since we are not on a first name basis nor probably ever will be

thank you

--Mr. Freeze

Well, if it ain't what I've always said. Left governments take control. Any extreme political governing system that controls most segments of life are left. Whan I said the nazis were leftists some time ago, the resident commies on this board called me crazy. Well, it's what I was taught in Political Science. Extreme right is libertarianism - therefore anarchy. Extreme left is populism, or total control by the government. It has nothing to do with progressiveness, all to do with power.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

This should make Edwards day
Bush to Sign Bill Curbing Lawsuits

1 hour, 56 minutes ago Top Stories - AP


By JESSE J. HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) is wasting no time signing a bill that he says will curtail multimillion-dollar class action lawsuits against companies.


AP Photo



The first legislative triumph of Bush's second term is a historic step toward "breaking one of the main shackles holding back our economy and America's work force ? lawsuit abuse," said House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill.


The House approved the bill by a 279-149 vote Thursday as businesses finally saw success after a decade of efforts to reduce their legal liability from cases where a single person or a small group can represent the interests in court of many thousands of people.


While businesses failed to get the measure to apply to suits already in the courts, Bush planned to offer immediate help by signing the bill Friday.


The president has described class-action suits as often frivolous. Businesses complain that state judges and juries have been too generous to plaintiffs.


The bill "will help protect people who are wrongfully harmed while reducing the frivolous lawsuits that clog our courts, hurt the economy, cost jobs, and burden American businesses," Bush said.


Under the legislation, class-action suits seeking $5 million or more would be heard in state court only if the primary defendant and more than one-third of the plaintiffs are from the same state. But if fewer than one-third of the plaintiffs are from the same state as the primary defendant, and more than $5 million is at stake, the case would go to federal court.


Consumer groups and trial lawyers fought against the bill, but lost their struggle when Republicans gained seats in last fall's elections and Democrats defected on the issue.


"The House of Representatives joined the Senate in sending a clear message to the nation: the rights of large corporations that take advantage of seniors, low-wage workers and local communities are more important than the rights of average American citizens," said Helen Gonzales of USAction, a liberal, pro-consumer activist group.


Changing the legal system ? including class-action, medical malpractice and asbestos injury lawsuits ? has been a priority of Bush, the GOP and businesses. They have criticized what they see as a litigation crisis that enables lawyers to reap huge profits while businesses and consumers are stuck with the bill.


Bush and other Republicans say greedy lawyers have taken advantage of the state class-action suit system by filing frivolous cases in places where they know they can win big dollar verdicts. Meanwhile, those lawyers' clients get only small sums or coupons giving them discounts for products of the company they just sued, GOP lawmakers contend.


House Majority Whip Roy Blunt, R-Mo., said that moving those cases to federal court will ensure that state judges will no longer "routinely approve settlements in which the lawyers receive large fees and the class members receive virtually nothing."


But Democrats say Republicans just want to protect corporations from taking responsibility for their wrongdoing by keeping them clear of state courts that might issue multimillion-dollar verdicts against them.


Federal courts are expected to allow fewer large class action suits to go forward, which Democrats say means more businesses will get away with wrongdoing and fewer ordinary people will be protected.


"It's the final payback to the tobacco industry, to the asbestos industry, to the oil industry, to the chemical industry at the expense of ordinary families who need to be able go to court to protect their loved ones when their health has been compromised," said Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass. "And these people are saying that your state isn't smart enough, your jurors aren't smart enough" to hear those cases.


The bill also would limit lawyers' fees in settlements where plaintiffs get discounts on products instead of financial settlements. The measure links the fees to the coupon's redemption rate or the actual hours spent working on a case.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I think the blockbuster class action was coupe de grace on the latter issue--attorneys got millions--the people got a $1 off coupon on next rental--thought I'd add that before Edward gets on his soup box in retort on how they fight for the little guy vs big business.

 

[dr. freeze]

Well, if it ain't what I've always said. Left governments take control. Any extreme political governing system that controls most segments of life are left. Whan I said the nazis were leftists some time ago, the resident commies on this board called me crazy. Well, it's what I was taught in Political Science. Extreme right is libertarianism - therefore anarchy. Extreme left is populism, or total control by the government. It has nothing to do with progressiveness, all to do with power.

lol i join your insane asylum evidently

the resident commies don't want to reason but rather can only regurgitate what their marxist professor told them

 

[Eddie Haskell]

ok Frank, whatever

i guess when i was learning about governments i was told anarchy was on the right and totalitarian regimes were on the left

then i asked myself why Nazi regime was considered far right?

and the rest i deduced and have found plenty who agree with me despite these left wing nuts that refuse to question what their marxist prof told them

please refer to my handle for future correspondence since we are not on a first name basis nor probably ever will be

thank you

--Mr. Freeze

Based on the good doctors philosophy, I would agree that the Nazi regime, to him, seemed rather centrist or slightly left leaning.

Eddie