Gas Prices
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I don't know how a federal standard would affect less populated areas. I am no expert on this subject, but would people in North Dakota (and other less populated/polluted states) be subjected to an unfair portion of the bill for pollution control. Larger cities such as LA, Chicago, Atlanta, etc. should carry the largest burden due to being the largest contributor to the declining environment.
I am no environmental activist by any means, but I do feel that this country was in serious trouble in the 70s. We have since rebounded which is a good thing. I will give credit to the left side of the fence for this as well. I don't think that it is as black and white as some would like you to believe, but I do think, as a whole, Conservatives are less concerned with the environment.
Stevie--"Teflon" George is an attempt at humor. Also, what is inaccurate is the fact that you stated that "we" think everything is fine. The difference, imo, is that "we" would rather do something about it rather than point fingers at others and blame. Blaming Bush is as ridiculous as giving credit to Clinton for the "boom" of the stock market while he was in office. If you could provide to us a disproportional rate of increase in our gas prices compared to our per barrel oil prices (have no clue whether this is the case or not), then I would concede that this administration is unfairly raising the prices at the pump.
I am no environmental activist by any means, but I do feel that this country was in serious trouble in the 70s. We have since rebounded which is a good thing. I will give credit to the left side of the fence for this as well. I don't think that it is as black and white as some would like you to believe, but I do think, as a whole, Conservatives are less concerned with the environment.
Stevie--"Teflon" George is an attempt at humor. Also, what is inaccurate is the fact that you stated that "we" think everything is fine. The difference, imo, is that "we" would rather do something about it rather than point fingers at others and blame. Blaming Bush is as ridiculous as giving credit to Clinton for the "boom" of the stock market while he was in office. If you could provide to us a disproportional rate of increase in our gas prices compared to our per barrel oil prices (have no clue whether this is the case or not), then I would concede that this administration is unfairly raising the prices at the pump.
In 1980, the average price for a gallon of gas (regular unleaded) in the U.S. was $1.25, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (USEIA). In 1990 it was $1.16. In 2000 it was $1.51. These are nominal prices. Using 2000 prices, gas would have cost $2.86 in 1980, $1.55 in 1990 and the same $1.51 in 2000.
thought this was good non political data on price of oil over years.
http://www.wtrg.com/prices.htm
thought this was good non political data on price of oil over years.
http://www.wtrg.com/prices.htm
Dawg, the administration is not raising the prices but they are not doing anything to help the situation. If they are doing something then they are not successful. This administration never takes the blame for anything. How many posts in this thread blame the cry babies on the left? You don't seem it necessary to call out anybody on the Right for doing that?
If we had only stolen all that oil that the libs said we were going to do in Iraq, maybe our prices would be lower. Damn' W for not taking over the entire Iraqi oil supply for our personal use and to keep prices low. What is he thinking?
dawgball said:
Got news for you Dawgball....
I have three vehicles that are crucial in my day-to-day BUSINESS. I haven't seen a hybrid truck in my city THAT HAS A GVW OF 5 TO 6 TONS thankyou very much.
You can't put 4 to 5 thousand pounds in any stupid ass HYBRID and bang on it 12 hours in the city of Chicago's heat or SNOW.
All you other lefty dumbassess can join the lines of the unemployed when I SHITCAN two of my guys because my expenses are high and feed them and their families.
Glad things are so convenient for you stay at home dopes to piss all over someone elses situation that YOU DON'T KNOW THE 1ST THING ABOUT.
Personal choice :mj07:
personal choice has nothing to do with my situation.
Personal choice
What does the LEFT KNOW ABOUT PERSONAL CHOICE. What a ****ING JOKE!
Don't worry people, YOU ARE PAYING for the ****ing gas one way or another at the end of the day. Glad Smurf will enjoy paying 6 bucks for a loaf of bread or 8 bucks for a gallon of milk while the unemployed that are hired BY THOSE SUPER RICH SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS get their sorry ass CANNED. Keep looking over your shoulder CUZ THOSE PEOPLE NEED $$ TO EAT TOO!!!
Your ****ing "environmental crap" is worthless and is just created to "make work" for some stupid government deadbeat.
But whatever makes you feel good in your stay at home job.
Guess it's all good to lay everthing at Bush's doorstep.
More convenient bullshit.
This coming form the same crew that doesn't want to hear anything about the previous administration and it's head dope and demonic wife.
Guess it's no problem here though.
Whatever
I'll make it at the end of the day. You and others will carry my burden eventually.
More convenient bullshit.
This coming form the same crew that doesn't want to hear anything about the previous administration and it's head dope and demonic wife.
Guess it's no problem here though.
Whatever
I'll make it at the end of the day. You and others will carry my burden eventually.
They are making SUV and pickup Hybrids. American companies have been so slow to do anything about more efficient vehicles though. They should have already been available for years. Unfortunatley, we are always reactionary to this issues instead of proactive.
There's no point in blaming the Right or Left about gas prices now, current and future demands, or plans for the future of energy in this country. Everyone's been dropping the ball. Gas has been too low - and we got in a habit of relying on that. Both sides can bitch and moan all they want, it doesn't change reality.
There's no point in blaming the Right or Left about gas prices now, current and future demands, or plans for the future of energy in this country. Everyone's been dropping the ball. Gas has been too low - and we got in a habit of relying on that. Both sides can bitch and moan all they want, it doesn't change reality.
...we need our oil reserves because "the great war machine" ain't gonna be runnin' on hybrid or solar power in the near future. you want to build a better mousetrap? ...make a mint? ...build a tank that runs on solar power. :scared
For many of the so-called environmentalists, the goal isn't protecting the environment. The real goal is weakening America. The environmental movement became the refuge-of-choice for socialists and communists who had nowhere else to go after the fall of the Soviet Union and the worldwide communist movement. Here they found a movement they could use to further their goals of weakening capitalism and the American economy
Now that is one of the funniest posts I have read on this learned forum!
Now that is one of the funniest posts I have read on this learned forum!
taoist said:
Believe it or not there has been a running project for this for about the last 25 years and there is a working prototype of an Abrams tank running solely off of battery power. However the cell is as big as the tank. I assume this makes ANWR look a little more interesting to the left (who is always looking out for the little guy against evil corporate America), projections are 1 million barrels a day of crude and trillions of cubic feet of natural gas. This will correct the foreign oil market!
those couple of years are time we can use to develop ways to lose our independence on oil....extraction methods are constantly getting better and more and more reserves are being found
we cannot touch reserves delegated for national emergencies/crises as Senator Schumer suggests unless we are actually in one....if he wants to find ways to save $$, he should figure out a way to better spend our large % of taxes that we pay on the gallon of gas and lower those costs
regarding alternatives, my positions on developing hydrogen cells, etc. have changed
formerly, i have thought that companies would pursue such measures as they woudl be profitable, and the market would work itself out...i still feel they will and are doing this to some extent, BUT....
now i think that it has come to a national security issue and that the government must start pumping more $$ into such research...and i believe that the $$ spent on gasoline is one such way...that tax money could at least in part be diverted to such things
developing alternative fuel is just one of many useful things the government could be focusing on instead of figuring out how to delegate $$ to social programs, the NEA which has failed miserably, investigating steroids, etc.etc.
this Republican controlled congress is failing miserably....that being said, the alternative to them is much much worse
we cannot touch reserves delegated for national emergencies/crises as Senator Schumer suggests unless we are actually in one....if he wants to find ways to save $$, he should figure out a way to better spend our large % of taxes that we pay on the gallon of gas and lower those costs
regarding alternatives, my positions on developing hydrogen cells, etc. have changed
formerly, i have thought that companies would pursue such measures as they woudl be profitable, and the market would work itself out...i still feel they will and are doing this to some extent, BUT....
now i think that it has come to a national security issue and that the government must start pumping more $$ into such research...and i believe that the $$ spent on gasoline is one such way...that tax money could at least in part be diverted to such things
developing alternative fuel is just one of many useful things the government could be focusing on instead of figuring out how to delegate $$ to social programs, the NEA which has failed miserably, investigating steroids, etc.etc.
this Republican controlled congress is failing miserably....that being said, the alternative to them is much much worse
Do you want to see the price of crude oil, and thus the price of gas at the pump, dive for the floor overnight?
Just let the congress go ahead and authorize the exploration in ANWR. The Oil Sheiks will immediately lower their prices in order to forestall a rapid implementation of any exploration or oil recovery that could cut into their market share.
Just let the congress go ahead and authorize the exploration in ANWR. The Oil Sheiks will immediately lower their prices in order to forestall a rapid implementation of any exploration or oil recovery that could cut into their market share.
OK - Tell me since you seem to know so well. I purchased a hybrid (sacrificing extra space, comfort, power, and nookie-attraction), because I wanted to conserve this nation's resources - as well as make a minor environmental stand. You saying my goal is to weaken this country??!!!Turfgrass said:
If anything, I'm being much more patriotic than an SUV with a meaningless flag or yellow ribbon sticker. Much more! Take your backwards logic to France, where it belongs. :cursin: True patriotism involves action, not rhetoric.
smurphy said:
big difference between being a good steward and an organization with clear intent and philosophy masked by militant environmentalism
As reported today our supply is not a problem. Our reserves here are at capacity we are not short. Tankers have to Wait extra days to off load. So some one is screwing some one.
