this hearing is a joke !!!!!

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i have been switching back & forth between the games & the congressional hearing on steroids.

the opening statements from the congress people had a little bite.....criticizing mlb management....

but everything else that i have heard is a pure joke......

first, each congress person is thanking the players for coming to the hearing.......how ridiculous is this.....the reason why these people are appearing for this farce is because a threat of supoena(sp?). otherwise nobody would see a player show for this hearing...

the questioning lacks any teeth.......for example, a few years back schilling did an interview with sports illustrated stating that there are practically needles in every clubhouse.....but no congress person questioned him about that article.and if it still exists..

mark mcguire,is answering almost every question by saying that he doesn't want to live in the past....this, imo is an indication of his guilt of taking steroids.....

sammy sosa sounds like chico esquilla (sp?).....the character in the old saturday night live skit.....

jose canseco is contradicting almost everything he wrote in the book..........

curt schilling.......is still full of himself......

now management is appearing.....we'll see if they do any better.
 

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Palmeiro convinced me he has never been on the juice.

Agree, McGwire was very weak, and Sosa pretended there was a language barrier. I've heard him speak plenty of English, and I think he's pretty fluent. He did say in his opener that he never took them (ha, ha).
 

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i agree that palmiero's denial came off strong...

it will be intersting to see after sosa denied ever taking steroids....if somebody comes forward & states that he saw sosa taking steroids....if that happens then sosa has a major problem.
 

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I also had to laugh at the way they introduced the ballplayers like they were in awe of them. Whats the use of that crap.

And that Scientist guy who reports to the League is so full of bullchit its pathetic. He makes anything sound non commital.

Sosa could sit there with a syringe hanging out of his jacket and the Congressmen would invite him to dinner.

Its a jix
 
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I lost a lot of respect for Mark Mcguire. He says he wants to help yet he offered NOTHING and avoided answering every meaningful question. Mcguire said he would make an "outstanding" spokesman against steroids, yet he can't say YES or NO to taking them. Makes no sense.

Mcguire "I am not here to talk about the past"

Mcguire "I am here to talk about the future and be positive"

Mcguire "I don't know why we have to talk about all the negative, lets talk about the positive"

Ummm, what postive is there? Why does he think he is there? What an idiot.

Only way you can find out the problem and fix it is to learn from the past. These congress men don't play MLB or even been in a clubhouse.

Overall these players came across being VERY DUMB! (except for Palmero)

Sosa always gave one word answers and had puzzled look on his face the whole time.

Mcquire avoided every question and was worthless. (def. guilty of steroids and was only one to not comment on taking steroids)

Shilling repeatedly asked congress to repeat the question and came across looking stupid. He wasn't very helpful either. His quotes and opinion from the past have suddenly changed? What a fool. He came across not telling the truth.

Canseco at least gave more than one word answers and looked to be giving his honest opinion. Although he came across being VERY stupid when his opinion now differs from his opinion in the book.

As Chris Matthews put it, they came across being lawyered up.
 
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What a waste of time and money. We are at War, people are trying to kill us, and our congress is worried about what these dinks might be doing to themselves. Let baseball take care of it if they want to. Myself, I don't respect any records any of these guys set. Maybe I am in the minority I don't care. Thing is if the owners feel it hurts them at the gate then they will tell them to stop.
 

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They have tried in the last hour to take it to baseball.

Selig sounds like a idiot. And the rest of them appear to be toe dancing.

I liked the guy from Georgia. He at least tried to hold their feet to the fire. Five times caught and nothing more than a fine equivalent to 125 bucks.

Nothing will come out of this. Its worthless.

I am surprised they are showing this live. It makes Congress look like a bunch of do nothings and baseball worse.

Class three drug violations put the rest of us behind bars.
 

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mcguire has the i.q. of a pomegranate.....he`s so guilty it`s pathetic.....

selig and fehr are getting worked over....and rightfully so.....fehr and the union have pretty much ruined baseball....

the blame lies with fehr and the union....fehr is a pompous prick that knows he has the owners by the balls....

this is one time that i hope the government steps in....

schilling is a pretty smart guy...but i don`t believe him for a second..he`s more of a liar than canseco...hands down..he`s been all over the league....for years......a union rep to the core...

he knows what`s going on.....
 

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schilling is a pretty smart guy...but i don`t believe him for a second..he`s more of a liar than canseco...hands down..he`s been all over the league....for years......a union rep to the core...

he knows what`s going on.....
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He does know what is going on and so do we the public.

If it wasn't for us putting up a hollar these baseball players would still be juiced and pumped and hit alot of home runs.

Go ahead and make your millions, we will pay 45 bucks not to mention about 27 more for a hot dog with mustard and three large beers. to see you play and hit lots and lots of home runs.

As long as our kids wern't dieing from steroids then who cares anyways. Its our entertainment.
And bigger is better in America.

Then kids did start dieing. As well as some well known athletes.

Thats why these guys are squirming around so much. They can't say the wrong things so they got to word things carefully.

Its all about the benjimans. If you can find where the money is going, you can usually find the answers.
 
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the blame lies with fehr and the union....fehr is a pompous prick that knows he has the owners by the balls....
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gw

why does he have them between rock and hard spot ?

just wondering.
 

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because the owners don`t have the stomach to stand up to a walk out.....that`s why i`m glad that the government may step in....for maybe the only time in my life...

the players don`t give a rat`s ass about the game,imo....

the players run the game....their way......that`s why baseball isn`t a pimple on football`s ass anymore....

and it`s a bad time for the league ownership-wise...and leadership-wise.... more than a few greedy,crappy owners.....for example,just look what peter angelos has done to the once great oriole franchise......

both the owners and the union don`t care about steroids....or kids....they care about raking in the dough...and that`s fine....to an extent...

it`s sad....i know the willie mays` and hank aaron`s are sick about what`s happened to the game....
 
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We know who is guilty. Anyone who took a single class in anatomy knows who is a cheater. Just fix it and lets move forward.

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Strong testing and a stricter policy will remove the cheaters.
 

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did you ever use steroids? :nono: I DID NOT USE STERIODS EVER!!!how about you mr.mcguire? can we talk about something else? :mj08: .i thought this whole fiasco was pretty funny,whould have loved to see barry.
 

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I watched for about an hour and I agree Palmeiro is the only one that came across as being as honest as he could.

The way Shilling answered some of the questions he WILL make a great politician after his career is over (next year).

Sosa- was agreeing to what everyone else was saying without even knowing what the fricking question was. "Ah, yes I thing et wuld bi guud tu do dat" :mj07: got to love the Sosa.

Big Mac- would have been better of pulling a Sosa.

Congressman Serrano from New York said it best, I won't quote what he said cause that would be a diservice to what he said but if you watch this, listen to what he said. He came across as genuine and most concerned than anyone. :thumb:
 

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How about getting George Bush up there too...........as the owner of the Rangers he had Sosa,Palmeiro,Juan Gonzales and Jose Canseco on the team........and of course...........HE KNEW NOTHING!!!!!!!


Testing will never work anyhow unless everyone can be tested year round. The 3 months of offseason is plenty enough for someone to use and not get caught.
 

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I actually feel bad for MacGuire. Obviously he took steriods, but so did probably 60% of MLB and I bet everyone there except for MAYBE Rafe has taken them at one point and I'm not sure about that. Mac is sitting there trying to do his best without lying, while everyone else is just lying their ass off in front of God and the world. Sosa probably has a team of ex-East German Olmpic team doctors on call. MacGuire should have just sat there and said I plead the fifth, instead of the babbling monkey act. Still think Giambi is the most honorable of them all. It all makes me ill; the senators are righteous bastichs who probably have more skeletons in their closets than 86 Mets' and that Fehr guy plain and simple makes me want to puke.
 

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Open Letter to Mcguire

Open Letter to Mcguire

Dear Mark,

Realizing that you are a retired player from Major League Baseball I'd like to personally thank you for all you have done for the game I love. I'm sure you haven't been sleeping well this week, with all your long meetings with lawyers prepping you on the hearings to come.It must have been rough on you knowing that you'd be face with some tough questions under oath from members of Congress.

I really felt bad watching you squirm as you were ask these tough questions.........Your lawyers were helpful I thought, guiding you to say "I only want to speak about the future and not the past". This is where I start questioning you, the star of the past. Why would you not deny using drugs to enhance his play if he indeed didnt use them. Then it came too me.....................Like foul ball off the palm of my hand in a 50 dollar seat at the ball park, spilling my 7 dollar beer and having mustard drip all over 90 dollar Mcguire game jersey. You did cheat.........................

So I like to thank you:

I'd like to thank you for taking a game that I loved playing growing up and abuse it for your personal gain. Thank you for allowing our children to wear your shirts, ask for your autograph and cheer your ever at bat while you knew you were cheating. Thank you for putting doubt in every record that stands today. Thank you for letting me spend inflated dollars to take my kids to the park to see a game that wasnt true. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain to my kids why an "Pro Athlete" would take drugs while I'm trying to explain to them the dangers of taking drugs.

So Mark take a good look at your bank account, houses, toys,trophy's and records all acquired from "CHEATING" the fans, the player (present and past) and the game. Enjoy everything you gained over the years from being on juice.

Mark, most people I know that break the law from doing drugs and stealing are in jail. And now you want to speak to the youth of America about the dangers? You claim you'd be a "Great Spokesperson" personally I think our kids deserve better, sorry to burst your bubble.

"What webs we weave Mark".................Sleep well Mark, sleep well :jerkit:



Spokesman my ass!

Sincerely,

Sportsaholic
 

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Well, the fact that McGwire used steroids should not come as any surprise to anyone

But his lawyers did a great job of coaching him allowing him to convince 99% of us that he is a snake.

Horrible day for Big Mac.

Horrible day for baseball

Bonds, McGwire, Giambi, Sosa are frauds.

Maris is stil king
 

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I agree with the above that there are much more important things for Congress to be worried about, but all the same, it was pure comedy.

I don't really think they took it easy on the players/management. I actually thought that almost every member of congress was pretty aggressive. Some of them almost over the top.

As we all knew anyways, Fehr has to be the most arrogant prick in sports and like GW mentioned, he has management by the balls and he pretty much let congress know it, in a somewhat subtle way. Fehr let congress know that he didn't really give a shit what they suggested.

Watching Selig's facial expressions/contortions with every question was priceless. Add to that his terrible wig and cartoon character came to mind. He was 'great'.

When that management lawyer (Mansfeld?) lost his temper towards the end, I thought a couple members of Congress were gonna run down there and beat his ass. What an arrogant asswipe he is also.

Selig did his best to repeatedly strongly imply that it was Fehr that was impeding stronger punishments, but when asked directly he would say, ' ohhh nooo, of course i'm not blaming the Association.' Funny stuff.

Congress absolutely ridiculed their 'agreement' and caught all of them in tons of lies regarding the same.

Sandy Alderson and John Towers were the only ones on that last panel that were the least bit credible.

As mentioned above, McGuire, Sosa, Schilling and Canseco to a certain extent, looked ridiculous.

I think that the arrogance shown by much of the last panel will spur Congress into really pursuing this.
 

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here is a good story, by mike lupica. about yesterday's circus.


Mac appears to be biggest fool on the Hill


Maybe Bud Selig should have said he didn't want to talk about the past in front of Congress last night, the way Mark McGwire did in the afternoon. Maybe then, some of the congressmen who were laying for Selig and Donald Fehr of the Major League Baseball Players Association would have gone as easy on them as they did on McGwire, who cried yesterday afternoon, who got more emotional than on the night he broke Roger Maris' record, but never denied that he was using steroids when he became the home run king of baseball.

People think baseball lost yesterday? It will take more than the members of the House Committee on Government Reform to do that. If you watched, you know. McGwire lost.


Still, maybe Selig could have adopted the outrageous position that McGwire did, instead of having to be lectured late in the evening by Rep. Henry Waxman, whoever he is, about how baseball needs new leadership.


"I'm not here to talk about the past," McGwire said to the Congress of the United States, as if that closed the books on everything.


What did McGwire think he was there for, to tell us how much of his own money he spent on establishing a foundation for abused children?


Sammy Sosa said yesterday he'd never used steroids. Under oath. So did Rafael Palmeiro, who should never have been anywhere near this joke of a hearing, one that was like some National Steroids Awareness Day. McGwire had the chance to say he'd always been clean. Did not.


He wasn't worried about incriminating himself in a court of law. Just the court of public opinion. He really was like Jason Giambi yesterday. He wanted to be given a congressional Medal of Honor because he seemed to feel real bad. And the people asking the questions seemed to go out of their way not to make him feel any worse.


No kidding, there was so much time during baseball's longest day, during the day when our elected officials, from both sides of the aisle, sounded like a bunch of groupies hanging around outside Yankee Stadium looking for autographs. I mean, memo to our Rep. Jose Serrano: Nobody cares about your baseball card collection, and which relative might inherit your McGwire rookie card.


So these congressmen, who discovered baseball might have a drug problem the day Jose Canseco's book came out, saved their greatest passion and their toughest questions for Selig and Fehr and Selig's lieutenants, Sandy Alderson and Rob Manfred. But when they had a chance to get after McGwire in a similar fashion, most of the people asking the questions, and even the ones like Rep. John Sweeney from upstate New York who actually tried to ask a tough question, acted as if they were reaching for their handkerchiefs every time McGwire got a lump in his throat.


When they asked him how he knew steroids were bad for him, on this day when he decided to come forward and join the fight to clean up the sport, McGwire took a full pass. Under advice of counsel. This was the day when "I'm not here to talk about the past" became the new Fifth the way gray used to be the new black.


Mark McGwire, who wants to play golf now and live a quiet life as a husband and father, is clearly a good man. He seemed quite sincere when he talked about that foundation of his, and about the parents of children who had committed suicide because of steroids.


"My heart goes out to them," he said, choking back tears.


Then he said: "I applaud the work of this committee in exposing this problem." It was another time when he sounded like a complete fraud, actually expecting anyone to believe that this committee had exposed anything other than an ability to turn the power of Congress into a baseball bully pulpit.


All we want to know from McGwire is this: Was he on the juice when he was hitting all those home runs for the Cardinals? He had the chance to clear the record about his home run records once and for all. He sure did not. Instead, he threw himself on the mercy of everyone watching him. The suggestion that he could not give straight answers to questions about steroids "without jeopardizing my friends, my family and myself," sounded dumber than Jose Canseco's dumbest day.


"I would never say anything about my teammates that would hurt them," McGwire said, as if this really was the old House Un-American Activities Committee and McGwire was being asked to name names. Except that no one was asking him to name names. This really was a performance that was a crying shame.


Davis and Waxman and their committee members, their baseball-card collectors and their former female softball players, they had their big moment yesterday. They had it at a time when baseball, both the commissioner's office and the union, finally agree on something, and that is this new drug policy. Congress seems to think it is some kind of sham, and so might you. It isn't perfect, by a long shot. But it has to be given a chance to work.


If it had been in place seven years ago, maybe things would have been different for Mark McGwire. Maybe there wouldn't have been these hearings yesterday. Maybe the guy who once hit 70 home runs in a season wouldn't have come up looking guiltier than ever in Washington yesterday, unwilling to talk about a past that is now changed forever
 
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