Desperate Democrats' only hope = A MIRACLE!

[ocelot]

Freeze,

You must be kidding? Does this really require an explanation?

Here is an extreme example for you. Let's suppose anytime someone got a majority in the Senate they can change any rule they don't like. So what if they decide to make a rule that noone from the other party is ever allowed to speak on the floor of the Senate? Is that okay?

If they are allowed to change any fundamental rule to their advantage then we may as well just send the minority party home - of course you would love that until the Dems got the majority then suddenly it would be an outrage.

Please if you can't respond intelligently don't bother.

 

[ocelot]

:mj07:

smurphy,

"Does this bother decent Republicans?"

It might - if you could find one!

 

[dr. freeze]

Freeze,

You must be kidding? Does this really require an explanation?

Here is an extreme example for you. Let's suppose anytime someone got a majority in the Senate they can change any rule they don't like. So what if they decide to make a rule that noone from the other party is ever allowed to speak on the floor of the Senate? Is that okay?

If they are allowed to change any fundamental rule to their advantage then we may as well just send the minority party home - of course you would love that until the Dems got the majority then suddenly it would be an outrage.

Please if you can't respond intelligently don't bother.

similarly if anyone wants to stop anything people were elected to do, they can put a stop to anything and everything by filibustering which has not been used like this for 228 years

and the MINORITY can do this

you are compaining about what a MAJORITY can do
:mj07:

 

[ocelot]

Please re-read how and why filibustering exists before making further inane remarks - specifically the differences between large and small minorities.

And what about the questions I asked? You have no answer apparently as expected.

I will say no more on this issue unless a "thoughtful" response is provided.

 

[dr. freeze]

tell me where exactly the "filibuster" is in our Constitution?

Guess what...it is NOT THERE

it was created in the late 19th century for political means as a use for OBSTRUCTING what the majority wants to do

We need Conservative judges to bring JUSTICE and the CONSTITUTION back to the court.

Unfortunately, the only judges that liberals like, are those that make rulings not based on the Constitution, but on laws from other countries

Judges who should be impeached themselves.

The minority can filibuster. And the majority can eliminate the filibuster as it is being threatened to be used inappropriately.

I voted for Bush for 1 primary reason. I do not want any more ACLU card carriers on the Supreme Court Bench.

I want conservative judges who will enforce the law of the land. And if the dems are going to use some unconstitutional rule to not allow that, then I think the majority party can fight the same way and eliminate the unconstitutional rule.

Seems like the Constitution allows senate rules to be created and eliminated. Time to eliminate this rule as it is clearly being used inappropriately.

 

[dr. freeze]

Freeze,

one of those tempering mechanisms that makes the Senate what it is, a more deliberate body.

was the Senate, not "what it is" before the filibuster rule was created?

was it not functioning as designed before or after the filibuster rule was created?

:mj07:

 

[ocelot]

For the last time Freeze:

"... there is also a device that prevents a SMALL minority from stopping progress. Thus the reason that a filibuster can be "busted" by a 2/3 majority."

Also, there is a whole lot of shit that isn't written into the Constitution specifically so that is utterly irrelevant. Seems to me YOU need a 2/3rds mandate to get your neo-con radical agenda through the Senate. You don't have it so too damn bad.

As for filibustering, it has been around a long time as you no doubt well know.

 

[ocelot]

Here is a link that might "help" you see the error in your ways.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Filibuster_Cloture.htm

 

[ocelot]

And here is what the Chicago Tribune has to say - not exactly a bastion of "liberal" media.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-0504210027apr21,0,1732568.column

 

[ocelot]

Waaah! We Christian Conservatives want to change the rules so we always win and can put our Taliban clerics in control of the courts.

 

[dr. freeze]

Waaah! We Christian Conservatives want to change the rules so we always win and can put our Taliban clerics in control of the courts.

insert any other minority name instead of Christian and perhaps you will see the bigot that you are

 

[ocelot]

I AM a bigot against that group and ALL religious fundamentalists when they try to insert their beliefs into government.

 

[dr. freeze]

likewise are you a bigot against Washington, Madison, Adams and how they inserted their beliefs into government?

 

[ocelot]

Washington had no part in writing the Constitution and I have no doubt that it is you who misinterpret the intent of those who did.

 

[dr. freeze]

does this look like a religious nut? James Madison?

are you a bigot against the founders of our country?

:mj07: :mj07:


A Proclamation.

By the President of the United States of America

Whereas the Congress of the United States, by a joint resolution of the two Houses have signified a request, that a day may be recommended, to be observed by the people of the United States, with religious solemnity, as a day of public humiliation and prayer: and

Whereas such a recommendation will enable the several religious denominations and societies so disposed, to offer, at one and the same time, their common vows and adorations to Almighty God, on the solemn occasion produced by the war, in which He has been pleased to permit the injustice of a foreign Power to involve these United States;

I do therefore recommend a convenient day to be set apart, for the devout purposes of rendering the Sovereign of the Universe, and the Benefactor of Mankind. The public homage due to His holy attributes; of acknowledging the transgressions which might justly provoke the manifestations of His divine displeasure; of seeking his merciful forgiveness, and His assistance in the great duties of repentance and amendment; and, especially, of offering fervent supplications, that, in the present season of calamity and war, He would take the American people under His peculiar care and protection; that He would guide their public councils, animate their patriotism, and bestow His blessing on their arms; that He would inspire all nations with a love of justice and of concord, and with a reverence for the unerring precept of our holy religion, to do to others as they would require that others should do to them; and, finally, that turning the hearts of our enemies from the violence and injustice which sway their councils against us, He would hasten a restoration of the blessings of peace.

Given at Washington, the 9th day of July, A. D. 1812

James Madison

 

[djv]

Liberals just have to sit back and watch. Things like folks being kicked out of there church in North Carolina for voting for Kerry. As this news leaked out and a law suite started. They all were welcomed back. The minister said it was all a mistake. You want to see many folks get scared. When religion crosses the line it will start.

 

[ocelot]

Religion is the Root of All Evil.

 

[MrChristo]

Have you even actually read that, Freeze? No-one could possibly transpose that into the modern era.

I'm sure no-one here is doubting the integrity of America's founding fathers...They were obviously very astute people...FOR THEIR TIME!!

He has been pleased to permit the injustice of a foreign Power to involve these United States;

He would take the American people under His peculiar care and protection

, finally, that turning the hearts of our enemies from the violence and injustice which sway their councils against us, He would hasten a restoration of the blessings of peace.

So, let me get this straight....Our Good Lord is all for protecting and empowering America, but [some other, presumambly] God help anyone else!

You do of course realise that it's nothing more than an impassioned speech to 'rally the troops' for war, right?

Whereas such a recommendation will enable the several religious denominations and societies so disposed, to offer, at one and the same time, their common vows and adorations to Almighty God

On a slightly more serious note, you'll notice that Mr. Madison included ALL religions within the United States...And I'd go so far as to suggest that he'd be horrified at the intolerance between the different splinter groups that we call religion today...2005....Not 1812 where I'm sure you'd prefer us to all be.

 

[ocelot]

Owned again!