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Below is Algazeera link which looks like it could be the next scandal ala prison scandal that they and NYT and LAT teamed up for front page coverage for 40+ days.

This whole fiasco was perpatrated by one liberal writer from Newsweek from an "un-named source".

This one person IS responsible for all the deaths and destruction to follow--and only justice would be to drop him in with the troops there that are taking the brunt from this report for a little on scenr reporting.

Makes one wonder who the real enemies are ;)

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/10A18C5B-CF56-4B05-8613-9CB1CB343BCC.htm

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...50513/pl_afp/usattacksguantanamo_050513090235
 
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if the media of the 30`s and 40`s had been like the yuppie-laden ideologues in the media today,we`s be speaking german or japanese right now....

i can almost imagine the l.a.times reporting on american soldiers "flame throwering" the japanese soldiers(who,btw,would not surrender)out of the catacombs built into the pacific islands....

ernie pyle is probably turning over in his grave....

and the hollywood celebs,,like hope crosby,jimmy stewart,tyrone power,frank sinatra giving their time and effort to help the american war effort....while today`s celebs live in an insulated "la la land"...

nothing is more insulting than some immoral holllywood socialist pinhead using his or her fame to editorialize his or her new age fuzzy millionaire ideas on how the rest of us should live.....

"behind the phony tinsel of hollywood lies the real tinsel.".....
 

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gardenweasel said:
if the media of the 30`s and 40`s had been like the yuppie-laden ideologues in the media today,we`s be speaking german or japanese right now....

:rolleyes: And without the horrible media we'd probably still be in Vietnam being lied to by our government about progress, casualties, enemy strength and everything else.

And yet another comparison to WW2? There is a reason that people supported WW2. That would be that we were attacked and on the other front, there was a madman about to take over Europe.

What, again, did Iraq do that we should expect people to rally around this war?
 

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Enlistment are down more then 20% for a reason. Our boys and girls see Iraq was not necessary. Same happened during Nam. But there was a draft. So they went to college or Canada to hide. Not sure why a news story has anything to do with Hollywood. But I'm glad they do all they do for our troops. They do catch a bunch of chit for not being happy with Bush. Well there not alone in the world on that point.
 

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hey,kosar...i think we lost the viet nam war..i think that was kennedy that got the ball rolling...and johnson that really f-cked it up....

the media was complicit with the "democratic" administrations...they ran interference for a long time for kennedy and johnson....

but that`s almost 50 years ago.....things have changed considerably...

and guess what...we may never,ever win another war..at least,not with a republican administartion......i don`t see how we could....

with abu ghraib on the front page of liberal newspapers day after day.....

now it comes to light that this burning the koran stuff may have been first reported by another liberal american paper....and that it may have been a muslim prisoner that did it...

we`ll see...

with friends like these,who needs enemies...

i hate the media....the media aren`t reporters anymore...they are advocates...

you don`t "not support" a war effort,imo...you may be against waging the war....but,once congress weighs in....in agreement with the president..and the decision is made......you get behind it....you actually root for your country....

a strange concept to some that put their political affiliation ahead of their country.....it`s only their country if their guy is in charge....

..if you are a patriot.....a real american....you support your country....once the die is cast...

or,if you are an ideologue,you play politics...and the country be damned....


if clinton had gone to war....as he said might be necessary against hussein....many times he intimated that hussein may need to go...........i would have been with bill 100%....

he was my president....

i wouldn`t consider siding with europe or the u.n......not an option....

i wasn`t sniping at him at every turn......i was with him....

balls to the wall...

not like the hollywood fairies and the media...by fairies i mean living in a fantasy world...
 

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As far as the media goes GW, it's as much about what they omit and/or take out of context as it is what they actually report. That is were the bias comes in IMO. You would be surprised about how omitting just one or two things of a story, can change the over all perception of a viewer/reader.

Then they can sit back, and with a "clean" conscience, say they were just reporting the story and not letting their opinions shade it.
 

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Good post, Kosar. At least there are a couple of people in here with a brain. DTB and GW drank the kool-aid on the "liberal" media long before this war ever started.
 

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While Saddam wasn't trying to take over Europe, I think it safe to say he IS a madman. And though we were attacked by the Japanese, we weren't hesitant to go after the Axis powers that did not attack us. And without question I was in favor of that, as was the country as a whole. The difference today is that people ,rightly so or perhaps incorrectly, don't see Iraq as a threat to our security. In this day and age, I don't see the public supporting military action unless we are viably threateneed.
 

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GW, you are completely right. The liberal media in this country truly is "the enemy within" They undermine our great nation at every available opportunity and are shameless in supporting our enemies. See how they fawn over that revolting cunt, Hanoi Fonda!!

This freedom of the press thing is just great isn't it? although most decent people don't think that freedom should be abused by these self-loathing journalists like it is.

Kool-aid?? Please .......the Kool Aid has been drunk by all you people who think the NYT and network News shows are reasonable and fair.

As for the vermin that scurry around "Tinsel Town"...well, think of it like this:

Remember during the campaign when Kerry was at MSG with Goldberg and all those others (and Goldberg made the "Bush" "joke").. Kerry looked around MSG at the beginning of his speech and said "As I look around here tonight I see the heart and soul of America".

Now, remeber a couple of weeks later when Bush was at a VFW meeting in Kansas...he looked around the hall and said "As I look around here today I see the heart and soul of America".

I ask you Liberals....Who Was Right?
 

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Stop blaming everything on the press. FOX and talk radio are now the elite media. The pendulum has more than swung. Just let the paranoid "enemy within" crap go. Stop scapegoating bad actions by this administration onto "liberal media".

We (hopefully) will always have freedom of the press and plenty of criticism to go around. If you don't like it, leave. Ha ha ha. "Love it or leave it."
 

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"Enlistment are down more then 20% for a reason"

No shit DJV Do you suppose it possible that there are at least 20% that want the benefits but don't want the risk when the chips are down??

Yep we sit around and do nothing to fight terror and see the results on 911.

Then we have someone with balls to go after them--Free two countries--occupied by Muslim extremists get Pakistan--Saudi's Yemin-Lybia to step on our side in fightening them--soilders dying in the effort---and what can undo all these efforts--the punk ass liberal press. In my opinion they are worse than terrorists.The hide behind desks--keyboards and they don't save lives they cost lives and its our soilders lives--do they care--hell no--saw the same wimps when I returned from services dogging the soilders from behind the arrival fence at Oakland only to scuury like roaches when we got to the other side. I know the kind--I've seen them 1st hand.Nothing more insane than a liberal preaching to you about a war when they've seen none of it 1st hand.They whined about civilians deaths in Viet Nam but said squat about the millions annialated when we left.
Same now--how many threads do you see by liberals here continuely wailing about soilders deaths--yet applaud their press that is responsible for many of those deaths--how many deaths do you think this liberal from newsweek has cost so far and how many in the future.How many Muslums that we won over do you think are now back on the fence--How many that were seeing the terrorist as enemies of their own are now having 2nd thoughts. Who is giving the terrorist ammunition in recruiting--we had the Iraq's starting to turn in terrorist in record #'s--things going very good--too good.Hopefully this will get sorted out but it looks like HUGE step backward and if it gets rectified it will be only short time till they come up with some other ammunition for their sister terrorist supporters eg Algezeera.If there are any doubts why is Algazeera constantly quoting the liberal press--they both have indirectly same agenda. On supports terrorist the other supports anything against this administration in fighting them.

"Although the original report in Newsweek was small, it was re-broadcast by television networks such as al-Jazeera and al-Arabiya and in Pakistan it was quoted by Imran Khan, the cricketer-turned-politician, at a press conference. He said it would strengthen the impression that America?s War on Terror was against Muslims.

Worshippers in Pakistan poured on to the streets after prayers, chanting ?Death to America?, and burning American flags. In Jakarta, hundreds gathered noisily at a mosque. Thousands marched through the streets of a Palestinian refugee camp in Gaza.

The unrest began this week after Newsweek published an allegation that American military interrogators had desecrated the Islamic holy book in an effort to rattle detainees at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. The report said that they had placed the Koran on the lavatory inside inmates? cells and had ?in at least one case, flushed a holy book down the toilet? .



Liberal media is the enemy from within--if you don't think they are a tight knit crew------

In Unusual Agreement, 'Post-Dispatch' Will Remain Liberal Under Lee

By Mark Fitzgerald

Published: May 13, 2005 3:10 PM ET

CHICAGO When Lee Enterprises Inc. agreed to purchase Pulitzer Inc. for $1.46 billion, it also agreed that the flagship St. Louis Post-Dispatch will keep its longstanding liberal editorial slant for at least the next five years, according to the purchase agreement mailed to Pulitzer shareholders Friday.

--On the bright side liberal media is on the decline--La Times and NYT huge decline in past 4 years--NPR last week saying they would now be presenting "both" sides--Moyer gone--Not one liberal radio talk show host has been successful and even politicians are regrouping to shed the term liberal--which is fast becoming a 4 letter word.
 

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The Corporate Media has done a wonderfful job brain washing many Americans into thinking that there is a Liberal Media that is somehow against Bush. Just because someone does not see the logic in attacking a country that was not a threat to us, and in the process losing over 1600 soldiers, stretching the military to it's limits, then be drawn into a fight on the enemies terms and level, to an outccome that seems uncertain at best, does not mean that they are liberal.
 

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We could have sat on our ass forever when it came to Iraq. Saddam was left with nothing but a 3rd maybe 4th rate army. He was going no where. As for 9/11. Had nothing to do with if we fight terror or not. If you think that is was made 9/11 happen. Think again. Everyone knows it was poor intelligence. And then the important intelligence was not even given a second look. The right info was there from June 2001 to August and no one payed attention. And who ever said Kennedy started Nam is just wrong.
 

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gardenweasel said:
the media was complicit with the "democratic" administrations...they ran interference for a long time for kennedy and johnson....

Oh my. Complicit with them, but not Nixon I suppose. Actually, they weren't 'complicit' with anybody. Just the opposite.


and guess what...we may never,ever win another war..at least,not with a republican administartion......i don`t see how we could....

This makes no sense. Republicans have the senate, house, white house and have been given every last troop and dollar that they've asked for. The fact is that in 'wars' like Iraq, there will not be a winner or a loser, in the traditional sense. No surrendering, etc.

We would and will win any traditional war in the future, no matter who's in office.

you don`t "not support" a war effort,imo...you may be against waging the war....but,once congress weighs in....in agreement with the president..and the decision is made......you get behind it....you actually root for your country....


I guess you don't think the American public has a right to know what is going on as our dollars and young men are being spent. Just a steady diet of articles on hospitals that we rebuilt after blowing them up? You're better than me, not being interested in KIA and WIA figures. Or our guys being sent with inferior equipment? Let alone the financial costs. Nah, the media should not report on that stuff. It's nobodys business!


if clinton had gone to war....as he said might be necessary against hussein....many times he intimated that hussein may need to go...........i would have been with bill 100%....

I would have been against him 100%. I try to look at each situation individually and leave the jingoism out of it.
 
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