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suns 55% losing JJ#1 is killing me, Mavs exposing PHX lack of Def. on perimeter almost every trip down the floor--tho it was no secret b4... this one could go any which way ...

Deet 85% If they blow it now, a lot of Piston ducat holders will blow a fuse ... Tayshaun has to start doing something on "O", and their guard depth is as shaky as a baby giraffe juggling coconuts... Not sure if RIP is 100% (appreciate any news there) ... Rasheed, pleez stop jacking treys and go into paint some ... be very interested to see if Deet can win in 6, they have not been impressive in playoffs as of yet. ... For those believers can still get Deet +180 in east and +500 for Trophy.


Spurs 90%
I would not be shocked to see sonix make this go 7, seeing they are 5-0 at home in playoffs and have gained tons of confidence; however, winning a game on the road for a maiden team is not an easy task, spurs 42-4 at home (i think thats close anyway) ... Spurs lost some lustre in game 4, their lack of punch at several positions was exposed.


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I would guess:

Phx 60%: JJ injury has really thinned Suns out. Dallas is a quality outfit, this never seemed to be easy. Home court advantage will hopefully be the difference.

Det 80%: Barring another lapse of their attention, they should dispatch of the Pacers. Still, they have shown a propensity to lose focus already in this series. I suspect Indiana's chances in this series hinge on Game 5. If the Pistons lose, they still have a shot, if Indy falls, its likely lights out.

SA 85%: Can't see Sonics taking 4 out of 5 from Spurs, but they have taken all the momentum. With Ray Allen on your squad, anything is possible in a short stretch of games. They need to bomb away to win. Spurs were horribly lame in last two games, not able to take care of a squad missing two key players. They will still probably win.
 

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Phx 75%...you guys i think are giving Dallas too much credit.....they got lots of calls in game 4 and suns had bad game shooting other than Nash....Stoudamire will be unstoppable in game 5 and they cruise in game 7

Det 90%...not enough arsenal for Indy....Det has 4 of best 5 players on the court at all times and sometimes 5 of best 5 when ONeal is out

SA 80%...think the Sonics have a little better chance than you guys to shoot down Spurs....Lewis is on fire and if he gets it going in SA, its anyones game
 

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05/17/05 133 Pacers(Indiana) +400 +8.5 Over 171.5
19:10 ET 134 Pistons(Detroit) -500 -8.5 Under 171.5
05/17/05 135 Sonics(Seattle) +500 +10.5 Over 186
21:40 ET 136 Spurs(SanAntonio) -700 -10.5 Under 186
05/18/05 137 Mavericks(Dallas) +240 +7 Over 222.5
21:10 ET 138 Suns(Phoenix) -280 -7 Under 222.5
 

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Interesting thread Gregg and good post.

Mavs 53%

I gotta side with Mavs over the Suns despite Suns having 2 of the next 3 at home. Mavs excelled when they had too against Rockets. Mavs beat Suns when they had too (game 4). I feel Mavs will carry over the momentum from game 4 into game 5. Even if Suns win game 5, Mavs will prob. win game 6 at home and force game 7 where anything can happen. Basically Mavs beating Rockets impresses me more than Suns beating Griz. I think that Houston series really benefits Mavs in this situation and prob. gave the Mavs confidence to win crucial game 4. In addition, Dirk played well in game 4 and I feel he will play well the rest of the series. He didn't play well early in games 1-3. BTW, I think Avery Johnson is showing that he is a damn good coach!


Detroit 95%

2/3 @Detroit. Detroit pretty much has advantage at every position and Indiana will now get a focused Detroit team rest of series. Indiana needed to win game 4 at home and came up empty. Series over!

Spurs 70%

Sonics have players playing well right now so they are dangerous team to pull off the upset. Unfortunately 2/3 games are at SA where Sonics got blown out in games 1 & 2. Unfortunately for Sonics, the Spurs will be 100% focused. That doesn't change the fact that Sonics have multiple players playing well right now. Hot team could be dangerous but prob. will come up short in the series. I give them 30% chance for upset.


3rd round

Spurs over Mavs (5 games)
Detroit over Heat (6 games)

Finals

Spurs over Detroit (6 games)


I am not impressed with the Heat beating the Wizards and Nets. NOBODY should be. Oneal is def. not 100% but who knows, could be 90% in next series. I think Detroit beating Sixers and Indiana will be more valuable than Heat beating Wizards and Nets.

Spurs have played bad in last 2 games (Sonics playing superb in game 4) but I think they will pull it off and win series. I think Spurs lost focused in this series. Suns are in dog fight against Mavs. Both the Mav and Suns will struggle against Spurs. Spurs are a bigger and deeper team than Suns. Neither team has an answer to stop Duncan. In addition, Spurs play better defense than both opponents the Suns/Mavs have faced in playoffs.
 

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I think Mavs 53% is a bit of wishful thinking. If you really feel that way, you should be putting a bunch on the series right now.
 

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Bombs said:
I think Mavs 53% is a bit of wishful thinking. If you really feel that way, you should be putting a bunch on the series right now.

Yeah you prob. right I should. I think Mavs can win the series even if they lose game 5. So Mavs to win series down 3-2 would be a nice price. I also think Mavs can win game 5 @Phoenix. I am confident Mavs will win game 6 because this team is tested and have excelled when there backs are against the wall. Plus they have a ton of playoff experience. Mavs then have to win games 5 or 7 on road if I think Mavs will win game 6 regardless of outcome in game 5. So i come up with Mavs at 53% because I know it is tough to win @Phoenix. I already have enough $$$$ on Spurs and Pistons to win it all and sorta stopped betting NBA and just cheering my bets on. Although I did bet (not posted) on Pistons ML on Sunday then took the winnings of that bet and put it on Spurs ML and lost. :cursin: Broke even for the day. Thought I was gonna have a nice day. :rolleyes:
 

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Scott4USC said:
Yeah you prob. right I should. I think Mavs can win the series even if they lose game 5. So Mavs to win series down 3-2 would be a nice price. I also think Mavs can win game 5 @Phoenix. I am confident Mavs will win game 6 because this team is tested and have excelled when there backs are against the wall. Plus they have a ton of playoff experience. Mavs then have to win games 5 or 7 on road if I think Mavs will win game 6 regardless of outcome in game 5. So i come up with Mavs at 53% because I know it is tough to win @Phoenix. I already have enough $$$$ on Spurs and Pistons to win it all and sorta stopped betting NBA and just cheering my bets on. Although I did bet (not posted) on Pistons ML on Sunday then took the winnings of that bet and put it on Spurs ML and lost. :cursin: Broke even for the day. Thought I was gonna have a nice day. :rolleyes:

I agree with most everything you are saying, just disagree it adds up to 53%. Suns will be favored in games 5 and 7 and have a stellar road record and will have a great shot in game 6. Game 7 on the road is a losing proposition, so for the Mavs I think tomorrow night is the key game, they have got to have it.

Regardless, this has been a tough, as expected series. Mavs are talent rich, and have had their moments.
 

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I also think Mavs-Spurs would be a very tight series. Another not so great matchup for the Spurs as they will have trouble checking Nowitzki and can bang down low with the Spurs front line. It is a different matchup than Suns-Spurs, but I feel an equally intriguing and difficult one to predict.
 

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You guys are fricken nuts if you count out the
HEAT.... :scared

Certainly not counting out the Heat, but to me they remain a bit of an unknown quantity. I wasn't particularly impressed with either of their first round opponents, so the cakewalks were expected.

For the Heat to be a factor, they have to have a functional Shaq, especially if they find the Pistons waiting in the Conference Finals. They are battle tested, and will batter their front line without Shaq.
 

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the heat an unknown quantity?

the most dominant big man and one of the best wing players in the game...yes wade is that good. throw in the jones guys as role players (roles they should be in) playing off of shaq and wade makes these two guys really good....haslem has been a nice surprise. their defense is excellent AND they can score (something det has trouble doing). To top it off, they have RON JEREMY AS THIER COACH......in the words of dookie v...."are you serious?"

Heat in the finals where they will match-up very well with the anybody from the West
 

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Heat may be the best team in the NBA. I certainly will not claim them the best team in the NBA, much less the EAST after beating the Nets and Wizards. Both the Nets and Wizards would be beat by the Pacers and prob. the Sixers as well. The 2 teams the Pistons have played. The more battle tested and experienced team are the Pistons. HUGE advantage. If I am a Heat player, I cannot be too confident after beating the Wizards and Nets. If I am a Pistons player, who won the NBA Championship last year, I def. will be confident after beating the Sixers and Pacers.

Wade is playing EXCELLENT basketball in these playoffs. But he has not done it against a quality opponent. So who cares. Shaq has not looked good in these playoffs and at the end of the season. He is not 100% healthy. So why would ANYBODY be confident in the Heat?

I think the layoff hurts the Heat more than help them. Shaq might become healthier but he didn't play in last 2 games. Is he gonna practice? If he suddenly becomes 100% he still will be rusty and his conditioning can't be great. I think long layoffs hurt a team and there timing. Might hurt Wade since he has been on fire now has all this time off to cool down. :) If Detroit wins in 6 games, they will have the right amount of rest in between series. Detroit gets hurt if there series goes 7 games.

Then you top all that off with the different style basketball the Heat will face against Pistons (provided detroit wins series) They have not played a team in playoffs that comes anywhere near the defensive pressure and big men Detroit brings to the table. What big men have the Heat faced in the Playoffs? :mj07: Heat have not played any team with the EXPERIENCE factor that Detroit has. Heat have not played any team with a coach as great as Detroit's Larry Brown. Coaching does make a difference! How will Heat react in game 1 to playing a team who is heads and shoulders better than the 2 teams they beat so far in playoffs? Will they adjust well? Too many question marks for Heat! Many of these questions would be answered if they were tested in the playoffs.

As I have repeatedly stated. The Pistons are battle tested. Are the Heat? :nooo:


Bombs

My 53% is based on me thinking Mavs win game 6 AND Mavs coming through in the Rockets series. This team shouldn't choke and this is where they have the advantage over Suns. But 53% is not very different than 50/50 Suns 53%. I just give slight advantage to Mavs. Especially when it "appears" Dirk has his game back! I really like the way Avery Johnson has been coaching.
 

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As I have repeatedly stated. The Pistons are battle tested. Are the Heat? :nooo:


You can only beat who you play, and 8-0 is 8-0.

Yes I do agree that the Pacers are a much tougher opponent than the Wizzards, but in my opinion the Nets were a tougher out than the Sixers, and the Heat swept the Nets as well. When they are clicking I do think the Pistons are the best team in the East, but they seem to take long stretches and let the other team hang around lately, and the lack of production offensively from Prince concerns me. He seems tentative with the ball and is forcing passes in spots I've seen him score.

Have to disagree on the extra rest hurting the Heat in a big way. So you think the Heat are better off with Shaq at say 70% as opposed to the chance of him coming back 100%. I do not question Shaq's conditioning this year and if he's healed I think he'll be ready. Much rather have Shaq in Miami working with their staff everyday then having to travel back and forth to Washington like he would if they were still playing. In my mind the Heat knew this was a two dog race in the East the day the playoffs began, and Shaq's timeline has been for day 1 of the Conference Finals to make his return. If you look back at all of their games he's only had to play 1/2 of one game hard (game 3 vs Nets) and was able to get in and get out of all the other spots.


As for Wade he was huge in the first series against Kidd, Jefferson and Carter, and in the second series he did it against Larry Hughes (first team all NBA Defense) yet those numbers should not count? You highly underestimate the Nets, they are the 4th best team in the East in my mind, and Hughes' year speaks for itself. Maybe Wade just is this good?

Finally the last point. Yes the Pistons are battle tested, and have three losses so far in the playoffs to show for it. That's a good thing? I'd much rather see a team blow through the first two rounds and show no weaknesses, which the Heat have done. Ultimately I do think they need a healthy Shaq, and the series will be razor tight if he is there, but just don't discount the fact that the Heat have walked to 8 straight wins -- that's what every team wishes they could do.
 

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Blackman said:
You can only beat who you play, and 8-0 is 8-0..

I know, and Heat were rewarded the Wizards and Nets because they had the most wins in the East. They should have the easier road. It helps them get there but doesn't do squat in terms of preparing them to advance.

I would rather play an inexperienced (but talented team) in Wizards vs the Sixers who have Allen Iverson. A player who has lead his team to the NBA finals before.

Blackman said:
Have to disagree on the extra rest hurting the Heat in a big way. So you think the Heat are better off with Shaq at say 70% as opposed to the chance of him coming back 100%. ..

I said the layoff helps Heat in terms of Shaq but will hurt rest of team. If you are Dwane Wade and playing LIGHTS OUT, what is the last thing you want to do? Stop playing basketball for a while? I am just saying there is a negative with a positive in a layoff. If you are an old/veteran team with little bench, then extra days off are valuable.



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I do not question Shaq's conditioning this year and if he's healed I think he'll be ready

Shaq is in the best shape since he won his first title with lakers. He is in shape but he is not conditioned. He has not been practicing for a LONG time and has played in few games. This will hurt him against a team with BIG MEN! Especially big men who can run the court. I think Detroit fits this situation nicely.

Lets just say Shaq can get to 95% for next series. He won't be conditioned and he will be rusty. This is reality. You lose your conditioning when you sit out with injuries. You become rusty the longer you don't play. Shaq looked very very average in first 2 series of playoff. Both teams Shaq faced have CRAP big men. Does Detroit have crap big men? Same with Alonzo Mourning. Everyone is praising him for looking good agains Nets and Wizards. BIG DEAL! :rolleyes:


Blackman said:
As for Wade he was huge in the first series against Kidd, Jefferson and Carter, and in the second series he did it against Larry Hughes (first team all NBA Defense) yet those numbers should not count? You highly underestimate the Nets, they are the 4th best team in the East in my mind, and Hughes' year speaks for itself. Maybe Wade just is this good?..

What big men do the Nets and Wizards have down low? That will answer your question. Wade is SUPER fast and athletic. He can drive past most defenders. The difference is who is down low to contest his shot? Pistons have players. Wizards and Nets don't. I am gonna go on a limb here and say Detroit plays better "team" defense than both the Nets and Wizards. So if Detroit plays better team defense and has big men down low who are excellent at contesting shots and moving there bodies, I think Wade is going to feel like he hit brick wall in this upcoming series. HE WILL NOT HAVE IT AS EASY! He may still get his pts etc. but it will be much more difficult AND his role players will have to also adjust to the team defense of Detroit. Something they have not seen yet in these playoffs. This is why playing the nets and wizards hurt the heat.

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inally the last point. Yes the Pistons are battle tested, and have three losses so far in the playoffs to show for it. That's a good thing? I'd much rather see a team blow through the first two rounds and show no weaknesses, which the Heat have done. Ultimately I do think they need a healthy Shaq, and the series will be razor tight if he is there, but just don't discount the fact that the Heat have walked to 8 straight wins -- that's what every team wishes they could do.

I'll bring up college football again and last years BCS National Championship game. OU did not play a team who was anywhere near USC's ability physically. Nobody as well coached as USC. Big 12 dous not have sophisticated offensive schemes to prepare OU for USC. Just like what I am saying with Heat to a certain extent. They have not played anybody in "playoff basketball" not regular season basketball that prepares them for the Pistons. We talked mostly about Heat offense vs Detroit defense but Detroit will cause a lot of problems for heat with there multiple offensive weapons. How much time do the Heat have to adjust? Here is why I think home court for Heat benefits Pistons. Pistons can take one of the first 2 games. Then have crucial games 3,4, and 6 at home with series tied 1-1. Pistons can steal game on road early because Heat have to learn to adjust because they are not playing the Wizards and Nets. Games 1 and 2 are about feeling each other out and seeing what matchups works/don't. So why the hell would any team want games 1 and 2 at home vs games 3 and 4?

Wade and Shaq might be ok and not need so much time to adjust. But I am confident that the "other" heat players will need time to adjust in this upcoming series and this will hurt the Heat.

You would ather walk your way into the conf. finals. I much rather be battle tested for multiple reasons.

What is going to happen to heat if they lose game 1 and there first playoff game this year? Will there role players start losing confidence? Heat have not faced adversity! Pretty difficult to win a NBA Championship without facing adversity. Nobody knows how this Heat team will do when things are not going there way. Sweeping the Nets and Wizards did not help in this department.

Pistons can rely on last year and this year's playoffs.
 

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Yawn. Earth to you guys. This is simply Scott trying to "justify" his Spurs future, and also, of course, "rooting' for the best match-ups for his future. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
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