Iraq/Viet Nam

[smurphy]

Your right, Weasel. I think I need to take a little time off. I feel like I'm gonna blow a fuse lately. I think a few things have gotten personal to me because of a stituation or 2 going on in my life at the moment. Probably time to back off. It's not like anything good comes out of it. The venting part isn't even satisfactory. The fact that I don't care whether someone else is a psycho ready to also take it to the mat is probably not a good thing.

I'll try and find Chanman while I'm away.

As you say, "carry on gents"...

 

[gardenweasel]

if you find chan,tell him i`d like to challenge HIS sack.....

if he doesn`t have a valid excuse for going m.i.a. for 5 months,i`m gonna beat him like he owes me money.... :chairshot

 

[bubbas1]

StevieD..Please post a link showing where I have said I was for or against entering either war. You wont find it because you are just assuming in what I believe.
Just how are we not fighting this war to win? Again you are sitting on the sidelines complaining about something you are assuming is happening.

The only ones that I believe that have a right to complain constantly about Iraq are the ones that have been there. Key word there is constantly.A friends brother came home from Iraq last year so we took him out to a bar one night. This guy complained the entire night about why we were there. That was his right because it was his ass on the line. Whether I agree with him or not dosent really matter. I just sat there and let him go off.

I check out this board every now and then and its the same people complaining about the same things over and over again.
Sideline cheerleading at its worst.

Thats about all I have to say on this subject.

Hope you and your family have a safe and enjoyable Memorial Day.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Hmm I Didn't mean to start anything. Left for parents and the country after post and just got back.

Only reason for post was what I saw as many parralels between the 2 wars.Wasn't meant for our Mad Jack liberals for most part but more so for the media.

Being Memorial day and all I know how they treated the soilders that fought for this country in Viet Nam and I would expect them to treat those returning from Iraq the same.
--and with them calling Iraq another Viet Nam--regardless if we leave there with democracy in tack--terrorist in check--and no further attacks on our soil--their reply will be I don't feel any safer and wheres the WMD's--and the Edward Kennedy's and rights groups will say the prisonors were treat better under Saddam than under U.S. troops.
Just be aware that when next election comes along--if you feel there will be any need for military in the following 4 years you know who not to vote for and not saying all dems fit that catagory but will say most liberals do.

 

[StevieD]

Bubba, do you really think that if the soldiers are the only ones complaing that would end the madness. You are an American but you don't know the first thing about being an American. If you see something that you do not feel is right or fair then you have not only the right but the duty to protest it.
I assume you are in favor of the war because you didn't call out guys like DTB who has as many, if not more posts than any one of us praising the war and how good it's going. So I feel that you could have come on and said DTB get some sack, we are winning the war, enough already! But you didn't say that. You attacked those of us who are against the war. If you are against the war great!
Not too many protested Vietnam either until they started drafting kids from the upper middle class.

 

[djv]

There is the difference. Nam there was a draft. And some how there were those that new the tricks to miss the war.
Now we see there is problem and recruits are not showing up to volunteer. It seems the lower income is not a problem. It might also show this war is not to popular with Mom's and Dads. I see there throwing money at the problem with very nice bonuses.
Things have changed when you need to pay them to join. Wheres all this God Bless America. The lines should be so long at the recruiting centers you would have to wait hours.

 

[kosar]

I see there throwing money at the problem with very nice bonuses.

And also with 15 month enlistments. You barely learn how to march properly in 15 months. I guess that's enough time for basic training and a 12 month tour in Iraq, though. Then, of course, they have the option of keeping you past your ets because it's a time of war. Yeah, real tempting.

 

[bubbas1]

Bubba, do you really think that if the soldiers are the only ones complaing that would end the madness. You are an American but you don't know the first thing about being an American. If you see something that you do not feel is right or fair then you have not only the right but the duty to protest it.

And how exactly have you protested how you feel about Iraq??

I mean have you actually went to a protest?
Have you wrote your congressman?
Or have you just sat back and posted on forums on how you see things going. There is a huge difference between complaining and protesting.
So have you been doing your duty as an American?

I have nothing personnaly against anyone that wants to complain. Thats your right.

I know how you feel about the Iraq war so I will post how I feel.

I do not believe that the American public was lied to for the reason we went over there. I think he should have waited till we got Osama first though before going in. As soon as we were getting ready to invade any 2nd guessing on the timing went out the window.

The so called prison scandle was the biggest crock I have ever seen. The sentences handed down were way to harsh. The soldiers were used as pawns which is completely wrong.

The media is having a huge influence on peoples perceptions on how this war is going. 99% of the reporting is on how bad things are going. There are way to many people in the US that wont think for themselves. The take what is being reported on the news as gospel.Then there is the problem of them all trying to one-up each other. Thats why Newsweek pulled that dumbass stunt.

 

[StevieD]

Bubba, why do you only call out the complainers as you call them. What have you done to support the war? It works both ways you know.

 

[bubbas1]

StevieD... Dont take anything in my posts personnal. What one person might see as an opinion might be taken by someone else as complaining. Thats all. It dosent mean one is more right than the other. Thats why i dont post in the Political Forum because it usually turns into a tit for tat thing. Someone trying to persuade the other why they are right and it never stops. Just keeps going back and forth. nothing against anyone that does it...its just not for me. (Till this post and I got caught up doing the same thing)


As far as what I have done. I put out 4 applications for jobs at www.kbr.com. That was the best way I could think of to show my support. Its been a week and havent heard back yet but we will wait and see. All the jobs were for Iraq. The wife wasnt to thrilled at first but she knows how I am and understands why i have no problem with it.

 

[StevieD]

Bubba, I try not to make these discussions personal but when guys call us out as having "no sack" because we disagree with the President then it does get personal. I hope you continue to post in the Political Forum, it is really a great place to exchange ideas and vent a little. And I hope you don't mind that I sneak a prayer in tonight that you DON"T get those jobs in Iraq. :mj14:

 

[kosar]

Ditto.

But Bubba, that link where you mentioned you applied for jobs was the Harvard Business Review site. I can't imagine that they have many correspondents on the ground in Iraq.

Whatever the case, I second Stevies comments about you posting in this area more often.

 

[Nosigar]

Bubba, I try not to make these discussions personal but when guys call us out as having "no sack" because we disagree with the President then it does get personal. I hope you continue to post in the Political Forum, it is really a great place to exchange ideas and vent a little. And I hope you don't mind that I sneak a prayer in tonight that you DON"T get those jobs in Iraq. :mj14:

Been travelling and kind of missed this.

Stevie, I didn't say you had no sack 'cause you don't support the prez. Now how dumb is that? You have no sack because you hide your head in the sand and fail to realize the dangers of the world we live in today. Perhaps even more exagerated by the current Bush administration if you want to believe that. You hate the administration with vile. I don't know why nor do I care. It's certainly your prerogative, but you can't just say "Busch lied, people died" and then run for cover. That's having no sack.
Also defending every liberal media outllets that have something negative to say about any conservative issue is having no sack. Failing to support certain policies of this or any administration that lead to the destruction of the enemies just to further your personal agenda is "having no sack". Saying that you support the troops but don't want to see any one killed or hurt is "having no sack" because it is their issue to take up, not yours. Libs always defending those who they deem as downtrodden and unable to defend themselves . Let the soldiers compain on their own if they want, they sure the hell have earned that right. They have more sack than I can muster.

All I would really like to see is a toal, complete and outright condemnation of terrorists who impose their will on other people. Be it islamo's, commies or any similar type (Al Gore, Kennedy, Dean, etc. for example). When anyone dedicates more than a sentence to the "abuses' of Gitmo or Abu Grahib or any other american military detainment center for enemies, I will call them "No sackers". If their killing, maimimng and raping people there, that's a different story, but I know for a fact that you see much worse "real abuse" in democratic european prisons and turd world demokratic ccountries.

And my apologies to Smurph since I presumed he was bashing the military. One reason they are not more enlistments are the horror "stories" from the liberal media that scares away candidates.
I wonder if Audie Murphy would have enlisted in the military after watching CNN/Al Jazeera for half an hour before meeting the recruiter.

 

[StevieD]

I am not hiding Nosigar it is you have have your head in the sand. The attack of Iraq has produced more terrorists. That does not mean someone doesn't have sack. This President has cut taxes, while the troops that you propose to support go without the necessary equipment. This country borrows 2 billion dollars a day to stay afloat. The other day a small plane broke into the no fly zone over the nations capital. It was obvious that we didn't know how to react to that. Thank God it wasn't a plane with a suicide bomber and a dirty bomb inside. But you just keep your head in the sand.