Detroit cant get a call.........
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I thought game was well officiated. Both teams got away with stuff. Went both ways. Saw both teams complaining at same rate. Now I admit I may be biased to SA. But here is a fact.
19 fouls called on Detroit
17 fouls called on Spurs
Spurs were home team and the way NBA playoffs have been officiated, you would think Spurs would have received a lot more calls IMO.
But if you are complaining about Detroit not getting calls, then what is your explanation on R. Wallace defending Duncan? Wallace either wraps up Duncans arm or hits Duncans arms when shooting. Did it multiple times tonight. Every time Duncan complained I rewind it and you even saw it in ABC replays on Duncans shots.
On that charge where B. Wallace got pissed for blocking Ginoble. If you have TIVO and Slow motion it, the official actually got it right. When Ginoble hit Wallace, Wallace's right foot was in air, not even planted. You need both feet on ground for it to be charge. Had to chalk that one up to officials because to naked eye it looked like a charge to me.
Another thing if you gonna complain about fouls. How in the world was B. Wallace not called for a foul when he rebounded a shot and in air fell on top of Ginoble and Ginoble fell to ground. When Wallace rebounded it he ran BACK to basket and jumped in air moving INTO Ginoble. Ginboli was standing right under basket not even touching Wallace. Clear foul on Ben Wallace. Maybe that had something to do with Ben Wallace getting called for blocking against Ginoble. Same players, wonder if same ref in each location.
Anyways, i thought it was a well officiated game. Both teams got calls. MUCH better officiated game than the west/East finals series. Those games clearly were slanted.
19 fouls called on Detroit
17 fouls called on Spurs
Spurs were home team and the way NBA playoffs have been officiated, you would think Spurs would have received a lot more calls IMO.
But if you are complaining about Detroit not getting calls, then what is your explanation on R. Wallace defending Duncan? Wallace either wraps up Duncans arm or hits Duncans arms when shooting. Did it multiple times tonight. Every time Duncan complained I rewind it and you even saw it in ABC replays on Duncans shots.
On that charge where B. Wallace got pissed for blocking Ginoble. If you have TIVO and Slow motion it, the official actually got it right. When Ginoble hit Wallace, Wallace's right foot was in air, not even planted. You need both feet on ground for it to be charge. Had to chalk that one up to officials because to naked eye it looked like a charge to me.
Another thing if you gonna complain about fouls. How in the world was B. Wallace not called for a foul when he rebounded a shot and in air fell on top of Ginoble and Ginoble fell to ground. When Wallace rebounded it he ran BACK to basket and jumped in air moving INTO Ginoble. Ginboli was standing right under basket not even touching Wallace. Clear foul on Ben Wallace. Maybe that had something to do with Ben Wallace getting called for blocking against Ginoble. Same players, wonder if same ref in each location.
Anyways, i thought it was a well officiated game. Both teams got calls. MUCH better officiated game than the west/East finals series. Those games clearly were slanted.
hey maverick,nothing for nothing but you have an excuse for almost every game.i am serious.just check out all your threads and posts.look at last night you made 2 more excuse threads.you said detroit cant get a call.you were not saying anything when the pistons were in control of the 1st half and up by 2 after 24 minutes.then you posted another thread stating the pistons playing 3 games in 5 nights did them in.well,thats the playoffs pal,teams play every other night in the playoffs.stop being the KING of excuses.you sound like a young rookie gambler.forget about the excuses and look at reality.
*rebounds spurs 49- pistons 35
*piston shooting 37%
*hamilton 7-21
*prince 4-12
*duncan 24 points and 17 boards
*manu 26 points and 9 boards
*shit for brains ben wallace getting a technical foul in a 2 point game and the spurs going on a 19-4 run
*spurs 48 points in the paint(wow)
*the spurs made it a lay up fest in the 2nd half against the swiss cheese defense
excuses will only give you an ulcer
a win is a win and a loss is a loss,take it in stride
*rebounds spurs 49- pistons 35
*piston shooting 37%
*hamilton 7-21
*prince 4-12
*duncan 24 points and 17 boards
*manu 26 points and 9 boards
*shit for brains ben wallace getting a technical foul in a 2 point game and the spurs going on a 19-4 run
*spurs 48 points in the paint(wow)
*the spurs made it a lay up fest in the 2nd half against the swiss cheese defense
excuses will only give you an ulcer
a win is a win and a loss is a loss,take it in stride
Hey Soul Train.........I dont have to make an excuse for anything. The truth is if Detroit cant hold a 13 pt 1st quarter lead they dont deserve to win. I was just referring to a stretch in the 3rd quarter when the Pistons didnt get a call for about 5 minutes.
The Pistons to me looked like they ran out of gas a little in the end of the game.........by the way in the same post I congratulated the Spurs and Gino for a great 4th quarter.
Maybe you are just mad because the Pistons cost you the last 2 games of the Miami series. Pretty easy for you to list the stats from last nights game. Funny I didnt see you list the stats for gm 6 and 7 when the beat Miami and made a loser out of you.
Your the phoney who has to let everyone know when you win but when you lose you dont post that your pick was a "loser"..........but when you win you have to put "winner" right next to your great selections................shows what a rookie you are.........most of the guys reading your threads can figure out if its a winner or not. You dont need to put "winner" next to the selection.
Bye the way speaking of excuses.............YOU ARE AN EXCUSE.....AND I AM NOT YOUR PAL.........SO I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU DONT CALL ME PAL.
The Pistons to me looked like they ran out of gas a little in the end of the game.........by the way in the same post I congratulated the Spurs and Gino for a great 4th quarter.
Maybe you are just mad because the Pistons cost you the last 2 games of the Miami series. Pretty easy for you to list the stats from last nights game. Funny I didnt see you list the stats for gm 6 and 7 when the beat Miami and made a loser out of you.
Your the phoney who has to let everyone know when you win but when you lose you dont post that your pick was a "loser"..........but when you win you have to put "winner" right next to your great selections................shows what a rookie you are.........most of the guys reading your threads can figure out if its a winner or not. You dont need to put "winner" next to the selection.
Bye the way speaking of excuses.............YOU ARE AN EXCUSE.....AND I AM NOT YOUR PAL.........SO I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU DONT CALL ME PAL.
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I thought the refs let both teams play very physical. Early on, Detroit was more aggressive and had things going their way. Then Parker and Ginobili started driving to the hoop and San Antonio started to take control of the game.
Bruce Bowan is a great defender. Rip Hamilton is a great player and probably Detroit's most reliable scorer and Bowen could have a big impact on this series. He completely took Shawn Marion out of the last series.
It looked like the Pistons tried to run Prince at Ginobili. This might be a source for points.
Bruce Bowan is a great defender. Rip Hamilton is a great player and probably Detroit's most reliable scorer and Bowen could have a big impact on this series. He completely took Shawn Marion out of the last series.
It looked like the Pistons tried to run Prince at Ginobili. This might be a source for points.
the bottom line in this series is this. the pistons need to have tayshaun prince post up and take the fancy little hook shot from 3 feet. OR have chauncey do the same thing to tony parker.
hamilton is not the pistons most reliable scorer, chauncey billups is. rip can get open more and get better shot oppertunities and take more shots, but chauncey drains em when it matters. they are both excellent shooters.
i really dont think the refs will play a huge huge part in this series. last nights game was called ok, i have to admit i got a little angry at some calls that were against detroit, but maybe i was only loooking at it from one side being a detroit fan.
hamilton is not the pistons most reliable scorer, chauncey billups is. rip can get open more and get better shot oppertunities and take more shots, but chauncey drains em when it matters. they are both excellent shooters.
i really dont think the refs will play a huge huge part in this series. last nights game was called ok, i have to admit i got a little angry at some calls that were against detroit, but maybe i was only loooking at it from one side being a detroit fan.
Detroit has limitations on the offensive end and if Bowen can effect Hamilton's production it could really hurt the Pistons. As for Billups and Parker, it's probably a wash, if last night is any indication. Billups is bigger, but Parker is quicker.
Good luck Jalen. Sunday's game could change things quite a bit. I was surprised about how many substitutions there were.
I wonder if the next game will be called tighter and how that might effect the game.
Good luck Jalen. Sunday's game could change things quite a bit. I was surprised about how many substitutions there were.
I wonder if the next game will be called tighter and how that might effect the game.
Soul Train - You're absolutely right. Spurs dominated this game on the inside. The REFS had NOTHING to do with this outcome. Both teams were allowed to play physical.
Jalen - I like your response. It is tough when the game is close and your favorite team gets a call that could go either way. Detroit is not even close to being out of this series. GL. I have Detroit 1000/5000 to win the championship. Also, have the Spurs for 500.00. to win the series. I'm rooting for the Pistons, but the SPURS are playing unbelivable basketball.
Jalen - I like your response. It is tough when the game is close and your favorite team gets a call that could go either way. Detroit is not even close to being out of this series. GL. I have Detroit 1000/5000 to win the championship. Also, have the Spurs for 500.00. to win the series. I'm rooting for the Pistons, but the SPURS are playing unbelivable basketball.
I never said the refs had a thing to do with the outcome. All I stated was that from a stretch of the third quarter the Pistons really could'nt get a call go there way. Maybe they didnt deserve it but so far in the playoffs the home teams have been getting the benefit of the doubt in a lot of these games. I have heard many guys on tv saying it has not been the best yr for consistent calls in these playoffs. I dont need to make any excuses for the Pistons they lost far and square. Imo they ran out of gas a little bit in the end but they are the reason for this.......going 7 gms with Miami....going 6 with Indy and going 5 with Philly is their own doing.
I truly believe these games are next to possible to ref anyway. When you get the size of these guys and the quickness of them it is very hard to determine whats a foul and what isnt.
I truly believe these games are next to possible to ref anyway. When you get the size of these guys and the quickness of them it is very hard to determine whats a foul and what isnt.
All I stated was that from a stretch of the third quarter the Pistons really could'nt get a call go there way
No excuses from me either....
...but I thought that the two non calls in the last killed off the Pistons. The block they called on Wallace, which was clearly a charge (or at very best a non-call), tech foul, they Ginobilli scores on what I thought was another clear charge into Wallace.
All of a sudden a 3 point game is out to 8. Game over.
Can't wait to see what adjustments both coaches can come up with for next game...other than leaving Ginobili on the court for 48 minutes!
No excuses from me either....
...but I thought that the two non calls in the last killed off the Pistons. The block they called on Wallace, which was clearly a charge (or at very best a non-call), tech foul, they Ginobilli scores on what I thought was another clear charge into Wallace.
All of a sudden a 3 point game is out to 8. Game over.
Can't wait to see what adjustments both coaches can come up with for next game...other than leaving Ginobili on the court for 48 minutes!
MrChristo said:All I stated was that from a stretch of the third quarter the Pistons really could'nt get a call go there way
No excuses from me either....
...but I thought that the two non calls in the last killed off the Pistons. The block they called on Wallace, which was clearly a charge (or at very best a non-call), tech foul, they Ginobilli scores on what I thought was another clear charge into Wallace.
All of a sudden a 3 point game is out to 8. Game over.
Can't wait to see what adjustments both coaches can come up with for next game...other than leaving Ginobili on the court for 48 minutes!
This is exactly when I made this post......I thought Ginobili could have gotten called for a charge maybe twice.........instead a foul on Wallace and a non call after Manu made a layup........Det kind of lost there poise after these plays and like any good team San Antonio took advantage of it.........
my 2 cents after watching all those plays a few times later the next day is this:
the one gino drove to hoop BW still had left foot in circle (tho easily coulda gone for deet)
its interesting/ironic b/c they called a charge on BW when a spur player was deep in circle in 2nd half ...
the very difficult call where BW got his T, I thought for sure was a charge in live action, and then they showed side shot and it looked even worse ... BUT, after watching it super slow BW was "slightly" moving IMHO, tho at that point i thought he outfoxed GINO and deserved the call, when a big man moves his feet that well, reward him, dammit ... BW is 3xs Def. Player of Year and he gets no respect from refs??? Consider the opposite slant: the great offensive players usually get calls, right? Why not the D getting a nod in respect to their talents ... BW got 0-3 respect that night ...
anyhow, thats how I saw it ... I have spurs and deet (in split return futures) so I dont have any agenda, and I love BW and Gino, so I think I can be impartial ...
hope any of that info might've helped
gl, gregg
the one gino drove to hoop BW still had left foot in circle (tho easily coulda gone for deet)
its interesting/ironic b/c they called a charge on BW when a spur player was deep in circle in 2nd half ...
the very difficult call where BW got his T, I thought for sure was a charge in live action, and then they showed side shot and it looked even worse ... BUT, after watching it super slow BW was "slightly" moving IMHO, tho at that point i thought he outfoxed GINO and deserved the call, when a big man moves his feet that well, reward him, dammit ... BW is 3xs Def. Player of Year and he gets no respect from refs??? Consider the opposite slant: the great offensive players usually get calls, right? Why not the D getting a nod in respect to their talents ... BW got 0-3 respect that night ...
anyhow, thats how I saw it ... I have spurs and deet (in split return futures) so I dont have any agenda, and I love BW and Gino, so I think I can be impartial ...
hope any of that info might've helped
gl, gregg
Ben Wallace did "NOT" have both feet on ground when Gino made contact. His right foot was in air. Therefore, it can't be a charging foul. Don't you need position? If you have position, don't you need both feet on ground? Unless I got the rules wrong, it clearly was not a charging foul if you have HD and slow motion it. ON top of it, Ben Wallace had "small" momentum going into Gino's direction. But more importantly, Wallace did NOT have both feet on ground. Advantage GINO! Ref called it right.
Anyways, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU TRYING TO PICK UP A CHARGE BEHIND THE 3pt LINE? STUPID! Especially if you are big men guarding small man.
Anyways, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU TRYING TO PICK UP A CHARGE BEHIND THE 3pt LINE? STUPID! Especially if you are big men guarding small man.
Boy I am stunned. Scott, who has whined like a pussy more than anyone I have ever seen about playoff officiating, thinks the refs were fine and gives us his usual never ending analysis as to why. I am sure it is just a coincidence that he wants the Spurs to win the series, and is purely an objective unbiased opinion on his part. That said the refs had nothing to do with the outcome.
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GO WATCH THE TAPE/replay AND YOU WILL SEE EXACTLY WHAT I POSTED! Not slanting anything and not making anything up! Posting what I saw! Posting exactly what anybody else would see if they watched it in slow motion and on HDTV. If you don't care about the subject, then why post in this thread? Why post about me? Who cares about me. POST ABOUT THE SUBJECT MATERIAL IN THIS THREAD! :nooo: You don't see me talking about you or anybody else. I talk about HOOPS!
