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AR182

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imo, this guy lost credibility by listing paterno as one of the 5 worst......paterno put penn st's program on the map & i remember all of the upsets his teams accomplished over the years......ok, maybe the game past him by...but respect must go out to joe pa.


The five worst:
Note: To be fair, coaches who haven't completed three years at their school weren't included (except for one obvious exception).


1. Chan Gailey, Georgia Tech: What's the difference between failed NFL coach Carroll and failed NFL coach Gailey? An ability to command respect from his players. For three years, the Jackets have demonstrated a lack of discipline both on the field (where they continually lay eggs just before or after flashing potential brilliance) and off it (numerous academic and legal casualties).

2. Rich Brooks, Kentucky (the exception): The former Oregon/St. Louis Rams head man has been a disaster since Day 1, taking over a program that finally was starting to stick its head above water and running it straight into the ground (6-17) while failing to elicit any sense of excitement among potential recruits (mainly because they don't believe he'll be there much longer).

3. Gary Pinkel, Missouri: Rarely has a coach so thoroughly screwed up a star player's development as Pinkel did with QB Brad Smith last season, drawing a deluge of public criticism -- including from Smith's father (who compared the coach's personality to a dill pickle). The onetime hot commodity needs to contend for the Big 12 North title this year or he'll be looking for a new job.

4. Bobby Wallace, Temple: While it's hard to pin too much blame on a guy who's stuck in a near-impossible situation, the fact remains he's gone 19-60 in seven seasons and shown few signs of any potential breakthrough around the corner.

5. Joe Paterno, Penn State: Ouch. It hurts to even write this. But if this were a blind evaluation in which Paterno was known only as Coach A, and Coach A had gone 26-33 the past five seasons at a Big Ten school with the tradition and resources to compete for conference and national titles, there's not an informed observer out there who wouldn't conclude that Coach A is a bad coach.

As an added bonus, I give you my eight most underrated (Wyoming's Joe Glenn, Texas Tech's Mike Leach, Southern Miss' Jeff Bower, Baylor's Guy Morriss, Boston College's Tom O'Brien, UTEP's Mike Price, Toledo's Tom Amstutz and Michigan State's John L. Smith) and four most overrated (N.C. State's Chuck Amato, Virginia's Al Groh, Texas A&M's Dennis Franchione, Minnesota's Glen Mason).

Finally, a quick word on Carr, because I know you'll ask. I just don't think he fits on any of these lists. I don't think he's one of the 10 best. I certainly don't think he's one of the five worst. And I don't think he's necessarily overrated or underrated. On the positive side, he has overseen one of the nation's most consistently successful programs of the past 10 years, and he's appeared in the past two Rose Bowls. On the negative side, he annually has, if you believe the recruiting rankings, as much talent on hand as any team in the country, yet hasn't contended for a national title since the one he won in '97 and, without fail, loses at least one early-season game he shouldn't. So, for the purposes of these rankings, he's somewhere in between.
 

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I dont feel that Pinkel, Wallace or Joepa deserve to be on that list, as Pinkel was a hell of a coach at Toledo and had to deal with alot of discipline problems when he went to Mizzou, and I believe that the guy that preceded him at Mizzou (his name escapes me but I believe he coached at USC) was brutal. Paterno should never be on any list of bad coaches and he should be allowed to coach as long as he wants so long as he does not ebbarass the program. Tell me any coach that could win at Temple? They lack the facilities to compete and should drop the program to 1-AA if they dont want to fund the program. Gailey has a better winning percentage than Bobby Ross and Pepper Rogers at Tech so I dont believe he belongs on the list. Why Kentucky hired Rich Brooks is a mystery to me!

I would add as overrated

Tommy Bowden
Gary Barnett-Lack of Control
Skip Holtz-How did this guy get a Div 1 coaching job
Jack Bicknell Jr
Bobby Johnson
 

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i don't understand how wannstedt got the pitt job.....what has he done to warrant that hire ?....lose in chicago & miami ?

also what was syracuse thinking in hiring robinson ?

there must have been better choices ?

bbc,

i must disagree with a few of your choices on the worst list.....

amato has done a good job in turning the ncst. program around....weren't they bad for a few years before amato ?

fulmer, tuberville, & tiller always seem to have their teams in the conference championship races year after year......maybe they're not the best, but i don't think they are anywhere near the worst coaches.

i definitely think barnett is an over rated coach.

mc, i don't understand the brooks hiring either.

i don't understand why kentucky, pitt., or syracuse didn't show any creativity in hiring young enthusiastic coaches.....simiiar to what wyoming did.....i like their coach (name escapes me).
 

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bbc,

why don't you explain your fulmer and tuberville picks?

just interested in what makes them your bottom 8 out of 117.

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Yes, it would be hard to pick Tommy Tuberville after last year. Coaches like Fulmer, Carr and Mack Brown are burdened by super high expectations, though I wouldn't pick any of them in a big game. As for Joe Tiller, he has had Purdue consistently competitive in the Big Ten in a state that does not produce many blue chip high school players and with less resources than the big boys in the league.

I have a theory that some coaches almost invite criticism and doubt, while others cultivate an aura of being smarter than the opposition. Steve Spurrier was like that. Rick Pitino in basketball. While Lloyd Carr and Phil Fulmer appear incapable of out-smarting anybody.

Dave Wannstedt has had a fair amount of success, but has taken a beating. It will be interesting to see what happens when Notre Dame plays Pitt the first game of the season. Wannstedt falls in the "dummy" category, while Weis carries the "genius" label.
 

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Maybe I should have used the term over-rated. I don?t see how a coach at Louisiana Lafayette could be considered a bad coach when he?s fighting an uphill mountain every Saturday.

Tennessee rarely plays a team with more talent then them and they show up flat pretty consistently and I blame that 100% on coaching. Tuberville proved me wrong last year and I may be a little biased against him because I just think that it?s flat-out wrong to trade up coaching spots within your division, but he went undefeated last year with a team that was no better than the team that he had the year before. As far as Tiller goes, his record in games decided by a touchdown or less is abysmal and his team never travels well.
 

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I think Wyomings coach is named Glenn! I think Robinson will be a good fit at Cuse, solid Defensive guy that wants to win. Wannstedt is from the Pittsburgh area and the reasoning goes that he will keep the local kids home. Wyomings coach probably makes 65% less than what the HC at Cuse or Pitt make and there is less pressure to win. I believe the Cuse job came down to Robinson and Bo Pelini (now LSU Defensive Cord) but their must be something about Pelini that hurts his chances as this is the third job he has lost out on.
 

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1. Chan Gailey, Georgia Tech: What's the difference between failed NFL coach Carroll and failed NFL coach Gailey? An ability to command respect from his players.

Carroll wasn't a failed NFL coach. I think he had a 500 record as a HC and as a DC in the NFL he had #1 rated defenses in the league. That is not a failed coach. If you look closer, Carroll was put in a very tough situation at a relatively young age. Didn't Bellicheck "fail" with the Cleveland Browns?

I don't understand why media puts down Pete Carroll's career in the NFL. Being one of the best DC's in NFL and having a 500 record as HC isn't the definition of a "failed" coach IMO. It pisses me off because it "could" be motivation for Carroll to go back in the NFL and prove them wrong. :)


Master Capper said:
I dont feel that Pinkel, Wallace or Joepa deserve to be on that list, as Pinkel was a hell of a coach at Toledo and had to deal with alot of discipline problems when he went to Mizzou, and I believe that the guy that preceded him at Mizzou (his name escapes me but I believe he coached at USC) was brutal.

USC coach you were thinking of was LARRY SMITH who was fired by USC. He actually had decent (not great) coaching abilities but he was a horrible recruiter and talent evaluator. He won at USC with previous coaching staffs players and had sucess, but USC went down hill when "his" recruits started playing. He left USC in bad shape and so he prob. did same with Mizzou.

When USC was looking to hire coach, I was hoping USC would land a young head upcoming HC and I was sorta hoping for Pinkel. I thought Pinkel would have ended up coaching at Washington since I think he has some roots there or something. Anyways, I think you are right about Pinkel needing more time to straighten out Mizzou.


AR182 said:
i don't understand why kentucky, pitt., or syracuse didn't show any creativity in hiring young enthusiastic coaches.....simiiar to what wyoming did.....i like their coach (name escapes me).

The AD for Syracuse was an assistant AD at USC and he was responsible for hiring Pete Carroll. USC fans were outraged and sent thousands letters against it and threatened to stop sending $$$ etc. I would trust his judgment. Hiring Carroll at USC was no slam dunk by any means and he deserves all the credit. Thats why Syracuse got him.


BobbyBlueChip said:
Tennessee rarely plays a team with more talent then them and they show up flat pretty consistently and I blame that 100% on coaching.

I agree 100% and that is one of the reasons I try and avoid betting TN at all costs even when it looks like a sure winner! Been burned way too many times. Can't stand it when a team shows up flat and TN shows up flat repeatedly and you are right, that is a direct reflection on coaching. Lets not forget TN is not an innovative team and pretty easy team to "coach" against.


BobbyBlueChip said:
Tuberville proved me wrong last year and I may be a little biased against him because I just think that it?s flat-out wrong to trade up coaching spots within your division, but he went undefeated last year with a team that was no better than the team that he had the year before. As far as Tiller goes, his record in games decided by a touchdown or less is abysmal and his team never travels well.

Why do you think that is flat out wrong? I don't see anything wrong with it. For example, if Carroll left to NFL, I would hope USC goes after Tedford. If Tedford came, why would that be wrong? Maybe it would be wrong if you left and went to coach the rival school. That might be flat out wrong.
 
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Reading Scott's posts is like watching someone play Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon. He can take a discussion about by Appalachin State Women's Water Polo and bring it around to USC football in a matter of 3 sentences.
 

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Reading Scott's posts is like watching someone play Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon. He can take a discussion about by Appalachin State Women's Water Polo and bring it around to USC football in a matter of 3 sentences.
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Don't ever say "you suck " near Scott4USc - or you'll be forced to hear a diatribe in his typical defensive manner.
 

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almost forgot- I'll throw in the name Karl Dorrell. In over his head. Mismanages his staff and personnel.
 
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