Many Soldiers Eager To Re-enlist

[Eddie Haskell]

Really? I guess I didn't read that you said I didn't know what I was talking about. I'd say thats a position.

Further, I never said everyone was an idiot because they don't agree with me. Maybe you should read the posts. I'm also not going to get put on the defensive after you launch your silly, nonsensical attacks.

Your plastic arrogance is apparent and noted. I'm not sure what an internet wannabe tough guy is so I can't comment on that brilliant accusation.

The idea that you launched your brother and his medals into this discussion says volumes about your integrity and maturity. The fact that you would use your brothers military credentials to support your position that I do not know what I'm talking about demeans your brother.

Kinda like Bush repeatedly using 9-11 to further his political gains.

You are what gives lawyers bad names.

Eddie

 

[Sun Tzu]

I will check with my brother and see if he feels demeaned.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

I anxiously await your reply.

Eddie

 

[Marco]

Why is it there are so many people on this planet that think that if you're not waving the flag and chanting some patriotic babble, then you must be a flag burning traitor?

Why is it that some people never question thier government, but instead opt for the flagwaving routine listed above?

Why is it when our country's military acts no one questions thier actions and just considers every military action to be justified and, followed closely by the often used words "protecting our freedom"??? The military could murder the whole population of an entire continent, women and children, and there'd still be some dumbas$es talking about "protecting our freedom".....

Guys like Eddie and me tend to look more closely at the motives and the reasoning behind the government and the military, not just blindly follow the masses who suck up to patriotism like a German in 1939 Europe ready to roll the tanks and herd the Jews into extinction.......

There's more to having and keeping a democracy than being a "yes man" when it comes to following the every whim of government......nice to see some open minded thinkings in our history, without them we'd still be paying taxes to the King and flying a British flag.....

 

[marine]

Did you ever stop to think why you hear about so many "lower class, opressed bums" joining the military?

I don't see Donny Trump handing out jobs to them.

ITS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE SOMETHING!
jeesus christ, its not like they are being FORCED to sign up... they just want an exit from the life they lead and want to do something different with their lives, commonly - have leadership and mentorship, and have the opportunity to do the same for someone else.

When wal mart and target and the local grocery store start offering that... I am sure those people will be smiling contently with their job as they ask if you want paper of plastic.

 

[Nosigar]

There's more to having and keeping a democracy than being a "yes man" when it comes to following the every whim of government......nice to see some open minded thinkings in our history, without them we'd still be paying taxes to the King and flying a British flag.....

Please....... don't compare the founding Fathers to commies who want to destroy not only our country but the whole Western Civilization way of doing things.
Just becasue you're against the enemies of America doesn't meanm you're a "yes-man". First you're fighting to keep your culture, which no political party defends, then you look at getting out the crud that inhabits D.C.
But the ones to blame for this situation are precisely the liberal scum who would destroy every ounce of culture we have in order to "globalize" and "sentimentalize" our people to the point of giving the farm away. What you speak of is all nice and good but can only be tackled after getting rid of the Gramsci ideologues. Then we can trash the bi-partisan system and the political "appeasers". Shiet, wake your asses up.

 

[Marco]

"Please....don't compare the founding Fathers to the commies who want to destroy not only our country but the whole Western Civilization way of doing things."

????????????????????????

I'm comparing the attitude of people who always agree with authority/superiors to the attitude of our founding fathers who wanted to think for themselves, and develop a country based on free thinking, free choice, the right to disagree, and choose one's own religion or other lifestyle choices....if anything I'm presenting a situation that the founding fathers understood very clearly, that the government is questionable, not absolute, and accountable to and controlled by the people, not the other way around.

If our founding fathers would have been "yes men", and done what they were told by the King of England, this great but not totally perfect country would not exist.

Maybe I'm missing some tone or sacrasm/cynicism in your response???

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Don't know why you guys let Eddie get under your skin--
You have to look to the obvious
You have person who previously stated he would rather his children be draft dodgers than serve--trying to do summation on those who have served.

Before you give any Ted Kennedy wanna be any credence on opinion you might be interested in some facts--

http://www.vhfcn.org/stat.html

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Marco:

I completely agree with your post with the exception of the avatar.

Marine:

You make some very good points. I agree that the military offers the lower class a way out of poverty and may provide some discipline, guidance, which they didn't receive in their respective upbringings. I think thats great.

What I object too is those who enlist based upon false premises propounded by this administration. In other words, its great if a poor guy joins up to better himself but, its evil if he joins up due to some wonderful marketing by the Bush administration based upon a help the wealthy policy.

Nosigar:

I think your missing Marco's point (wow what a shock). If I may speak for him, his reference to the founding fathers concerned how they were viewed as radicals, rebels, and evil by the then established government, to wit, King George. They weren't loyalists (aka republicans) who remained loyal to the crown when Ben, George, John and Tom were hanging out in Phillie talking about liberty, justice, and freedom.

Your post reeks with racism. You don't want globalization, huh. You want to bring everything back to the 19th century where gentlemen dressed in suits are walking arm in arm with their lovely wife dressed in a full length dress and gratiously tip there derby's to passerbys.

I think your the one who needs to wake up (although I'm quite certain that will never happen). This is the 21st century (please hum Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow by Fleetwood Mac while reading the rest of this post) not the 19th century. Those lily white days of wasp's and racism are gone.

You've got interacial relationships, gay marriages, different cultures in our Melting Pot. Get used to it. You just might find that they are people too. Brown, black, white, red, yellow and various combinations thereof. But guys like you, I should say hopefully, dinosaurs like you, will never get it.

Eddie

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Oh hi Wayne, I hadn't seen that you signed on this lovely morning in the Queen City. How's the weather down in Bowling Green?

Thank you again for taking my prior statement out of context. Thats another shocker. I stated I would send my son to Canada before I would let him fight in a war started by people such as yourself so that people such as yourself can get richer.

I would hope my son would be first in line to enlist in the event this country was attacked or there was the threat of an attack. He might not be first in line in such situation cause I usually get up earlier than he does. I would save him a spot however.

You and I are roughly the same age. We both lived in the Viet Nam era. And, not surprisingly, we do not agree on that war either. Avoid this war, you betcha. Die for our country, you betcha. Die for this president, not in a kabillion years.

You see I would fight and die for America. I will not fight and die for corporate America. Lets talk about how those nukes and other weapons of mass destruction Iraq had were aimed at Main Street in Bowling Green.

Eddie

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

In reality, its the aggressive expansion of capitalism. By the way numbnuts, to see how propoganda and mind control work, you don't have to go that far back in history, maybe 70 years to Germany. Take a look, the comparisons are strikingly similar. Hitler had most of the german people believing in him when he wrapped himself in God, patriotism, war and nationalism.

You know there is a reason Bush distrusts intellectuals. They know too much. On the other hand, he can count on you for support.
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Yep Edward lets take Germany--They didn't attack us correct--by the LLL (liberal lemming logic) of today we would never have entered the war--until WE were attacked which would have been MUCH too late to defend with most of our Euro allies taken out by then.

propaganda and mind control???
After listening to those belittle on our miltary and wanting to give terrorist attorneys--trumping boyscouts with gays--dissing "flag waving" patriots and defending flag burners-considering child porn to be protected by constitution--think those wanting to profile muslims as racists but to assualt all relgious values and ideas here as constitutionally correct ECT ECT---
Would qualify one for being a Kool Aid King

Saw in scoping out news today that there are 4 distint segmants that came out and said it was Blairs fault" that London was attacked yesterday--The Taliban--the terrorist--Algazeera and some liberals in US and Europe--and you say "who" is king of propaganda and mind control

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Wayne, your knowledge of history is legendary. You are absolutely correct that Germany did not attack the United States (although there is some debate on this issue based on a documentary made in the 70's called "Animal House"). The declaration of war was based upon alliances the US had with Britain, France, et al. You get an A in 20th Century American History. Now, let's see how you do in 21st Century American History.

Please answer the following multiple choice question:

Q. In March, 2003, the United States invaded Iraq because:

A. they invaded the United States;
B. they had weapons of mass destruction (including that balsa wood airplane delivery system) that were a threat to the USA;
C. we are the good guys and wanted to free the Iraqi people by killing some 20,000 of them;
D. we have a criminal administration that diverted attention from the capture of the terrorists who were responsible for 9-11 by attacking a country that posed no threat to the USA and figured they could make some money for themselves and their corporate buddies in the meantime.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Okay, lets hear how the radical religous right does on this quiz. Answer to follow.

Eddie

 

[Master Capper]

The same place Clinton went.

No huge Clinton fan here, but I do not recall Clinton calling others out as being unpatriotic as Cheney has done. Cheney is in no position to be even commenting on anyone's patriotism, as when he had the chance to go to war for our country he elected to stay home in Wyoming and let others do the fighting for him. As DTB stated when the shit hits the fan everyone runs and we know which way Cheney choose to run!

 

[Master Capper]

Comparing Iraq to Germany is one of the biggest stretches that I have ever read on this board.


Sun Tzu,

Even though I feel that the invasion of Iraq was completely wrong and made absolutely no sense in the battle against terror (basically it was a bold face lie), I do applaud your brother for his service to the country and wish him a safe return to Texas.

 

[Sun Tzu]

He didnt feel demeaned but he had a few choice words regarding the steroetypes and generalities that would encompass him.

MC, thanks. It is refreshing to see a reasnable post even if it is "disagreeable." I dont understand why so many on this Board feel the need to personalize and demean others for having differing views.

 

[Marco]

"After listening to those belittle on our military and wanting to give terrorists attorneys--trumping boy scouts with gays--dissing "flag waving" patriots and defending flag burners--considering child porn to be protected by the constitution--think those that wanting to profile muslims as racists but to assault all religious values and ideas here as constitutionally correct...."

Belittle the military: I just think to enter the military in today's world is more or less throwing caution into the wind and trusting the government and leaders to be correct in judgement about military actions is plain suicide. Not so much against our troops, more about a lack of real leadership and the ulterior motives behind the leaders that get troops killed following those greedy liars.

Dissing flag waving patriots and defending flag burners: There's nothing that a flag burner is going to do by burning a flag that puts our freedom in jeopardy, as much as some of the patriots want to turn the flag into some sort of sacred symbol.....your freedom lies with the constitution, not the flag, and people who claim flag burners to be a real threat are talking out of EMOTION and not PRACTICALITY or REASON. The only threat flag burners pose is by the flames themselves, just like some guy with a campfire that gets loose and burns down a whole forest...

Wanting to give terrorists attorneys: I guess that's part of having freedom.....the right to a fair trial, with an attorney.....perhaps you would like to go back to the vigilante days when someone got fingered and that person who was pointed out was lynched from the nearest tree.....or maybe some provision of the Patriot Act allows the feds to kick the doors down of the very same DOGS THAT BARK, call him a terrorist, and since we don't need any justice system or attorneys, just shoot you on the spot?

child porn as constitutionally correct: Nah, never did hold child porn as protected speech.....should work on getting the 'net free of kiddie porn and the hackers/virus makers/fraud.....those get worked on but guys like Kyl want and fight for a morality crusade against online gambling....

wanting to profile muslims as racists: should profile a lot of people, I think the airports should screen/search everybody that goes on board, because when a plane goes down it's too late to wonder if that granny with the wooden leg was packing gunpowder.....personally I don't consider people who want to profile muslims as racists.....seems to be a group to watch these days....how many people look at arabs as they board the plane nowadays?

Assaulting religious values and ideas here as constitutionally correct: Seems it is constitutionally correct, if we're both talking about the same script that our founding fathers came up with about the separation of church and state and the right to speak out against groups or ideas without repercussions or penalty.....they had the wisdom to add religious freedom just so some church clown didn't come down the road and stir the people up into a rabid frenzy that proclaimed "Religion X" to be the one and only legal religion and all talk against said religion would be blasphemy.....without it you can be certain that would have happened as the majority would have proclaimed thier religion as king and we'd be living in a free country with a religious monarchy in place.

The constitution is a great document with some great thought and great rules involved.....some people just try to read too much emotion into it instead of keeping the document simple as it was intended to be....

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Marco, that was beautiful. To add to one point you made concerning a constitutional amendment against flag burning. This is the exact type of crap the radical right on this board would have you do to show your support of America. Never mind that it demeans and belittles the balance of the Constitution, if its what the average American moron (60 million at last count) wants, then do it.

People, the flag is a piece of cloth with coloring on it. The reality is however, that its a lot easier for the intellectually challenged amongst us to get upset about a cloth burning than it is to see the rights, freedoms and liberties upon which this country was founded get trampled on by the greedy and powerfull agents of corporate america.

The many radical right members of this board who freak out over this piece of cloth are shall we say, our less deep thinking members, who can be summed up in the following phrase: Form over substance. There are a lot more things to get riled up about and introduce constitutional amendments to than flag burning.

But it easier to be symbolic than substantive. Its easier to wage war against a country than it is to destroy elusive terrorist groups. Its easier to take stands in favor of God than to keep him out of government. John Wayne would be proud.

The only problem is that while we are all upset about people burning flags, whether Sally and Jane get married, and if they can have a picture of the 10 commandments in the Henderson County Courthouse, we are allowing the real personal rights, freedoms and liberties to be slowly, systematically, and most assuredly, diminished.

As some one else said in a post that someday they hoped the liberals will wake up. I can say the same thing about the radical right. However, unfortuneatly for this country, I think that awakening, if it happens, will be too late.

God bless America. God damn corporate America.

Eddie

 

[StevieD]

Just because you wave the flag does not make you patriotic. I am sick of that one. Why don't the troops have the proper armor and protection? And since when is war a conservative or liberal issue. Nobody is for giving terrorists a free ride. That is why some of us wanted to pursue them and not Iraq.
Cheney is a perfect example of a flag waving unpatriotic piece of crap. He had something like 5 deferments to keep from serving in Viet Nam. When questioned the arrogant SOB says he had better things to do then to fight a war he supported. When sanctions where placed on Iraq to keep Saddam under wraps Cheney and his company Haliburton found loopholes to do business with him. He is more of a traitor than a Patriot you just gotta look past the waving flag.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

"Q. In March, 2003, the United States invaded Iraq because:"

You left E None of the above.

I believe if I read and heard correctly we invaded them for their failing to comply with resolutions.

Amazing how one trys to spin the constitution to make one believe our forefathers wanted to diss of religion--protect terrorist----support ponography--gay marriages ect

Makes about as much sense as person who never been in service or put their life at risk for anthing trying to speak for those that have.

"Never mind that it demeans and belittles the balance of the Constitution, if its what the average American moron (60 million at last count) wants, then do it."

Yep Edward everyone is a moron but you--maybe you could define moron for us.

Since your into multiple choice I got one for you--

Guy has auto accident--insurance company offers him $20,000 for injuries--friend tells him don't settle get an attorney--attorneys guarantees he can get him more an succeeds getting $30,000 a 33% increase. However finds out after 1/3 take and expenses he only gets to keep $10,000.

Who is the biggest moron
A.The man that was injured
B. the man who told him to see an attorney.
C any part of population that believes the attorney was looking out for the littleguy.
D any who is aware of------

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[Marco]

"Amazing how one trys to spin the constitution to make one believe our forefathers wanted to diss of religion--protect terrorist----support ponography--gay marriages ect"

The constitution was written in very simple terms and broad meanings to maintain everyones rights and freedoms, for the forefathers to include exceptions to which religions or printings could be considered fair game for prosecution would have violated the broad base of freedom they were fully intent on installing.....

The spirit of the constitution is in the very vagueness that allows one person to choose to read the bible of his/her choice, while another person can choose to read pornographic material if they so choose to....both acts are protected behaviors regardless how much morality one assigns to either act....once exclusions start to apply is when all the suppression starts and public book burnings happen and Religion X is now the only religion one is allowed to practice.

People who want to carve on the constitution and introduce morality to the freedoms in place will soon be disappointed when someone else's choices are the only ones left......then even the people on the high morality ground can suffer because lutheran/catholic/baptist was outlawed and someone else's religion is officially king.

As far as "protecting terrorist"......like the post I wrote above, I'm sure in your twisted world people are now guilty until proven innocent, there is no need for cold case files, just go down the streets and start kicking doors down, the first person without an alibi is the guilty one. Hang him out in his own front yard pronto, if he doesn't have a tree in his yard then tie him up and burn him on that pile of books burning out in the street along with the constitution.