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gardenweasel

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smurph...i was being facetious with the media thing.....most that peruse this forum know my love for the media...

fletch...i don`t know anything for certain...maybe you guys are correct....imo,it begs credulity....but,i`m no expert on this stuff...sounds like a conspracy theorist`s fantasy....

but,we`re all entitled to our opinions....


which brings me to hopkins/taylor.... :box2: :mj16:

tough call...slight lean to the old man..right now.....but,taylor is very good...fast....great jab...extensive amateur background...

the mental is the key...

btw...i just heard from a boxing writer friend of mine....this is what he said...

"Williams(danny) is 18 pounds over his weight for Tyson and 13 over what he was with Klitschko- at 283"...

and i was thinking williams as a dog....hmmm
 

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GW you just never know in this world even more now of days, I am not saying they run the whole world or even a small part but from the books and research I have done on them they have to be up to something . Like I said just by the bed partners who are all and have been in with this, Just people you think would spit on each other at best in passing.

There is no doubt they are for real not a spoof and like I said I can't say for sure one way or the other what they do but they do have the resources on all markets from fuel to money and food. Just not lot brought up about them you have to look.

I never heard of them till I just picked up a book one day at Borders while looking for something to read one winter and have been reading and looking into them ever since. The more quite somethings are the more they make me wonder. If it was more of a conspiracy theory you would think some of these big time names would be saying something when their name is in association with the group. I trust government very little when it comes to feds and things like feds in other countries, Like i said and have for or since I ever posted about anything government related I don't and never will trust people of high power and think states should have more say in us. You see that more way more out west then I ever saw back east and down south. Moving out west it is more anti fed then I was use to but have felt that way for along time. Feds do have their place but I think they misuse power and have not been in right direction on many things way before bush and his staff got in, I am only a repub like I said on paper for reasons stated above as a independent you can't vote on local things that really count to me on where ever I live. Feds should keep border safe and keep country safe as they can not wasting time on useless shit and not being able to steal someones land because they want it or being told your state is taking nuclear waste in your state even if your state and it's people don't want it. Help in aid with disasters that occur in our country stuff like that then for the rest stay the hell out of my life, don't spy on me which they do to some extent on all of us.

This day and age i can believe this group does do something more then have dinner for 3-4 days a year and chat about golf and share recipe for bunt cake. just to many powerful very powerful and very rich well not rich but wealthy big difference people in their social club. I don't trust them to many names that don't match up as friends who you would see having a weekend together.

Ryson that is a good site been to it off and on all day and changes each day so a new site for me to check out somethings I thing are going on and people many say things like this could never happen, well they said the same about flying and going into space the same way not to long ago when you look at it in terms of time, so to me I keep a open mind and do believe in some of the things like this to some type of extent. Hell why do you think we have so many cams in almost all cities ,burbs and even now in smaller towns . Hell don't by the traffic control only crap for one sec, it is a way of tracking us all same as bar codes do on food and stuff you buy or your credit cards web use soon feds and others will know everything about the common person in the world, we won't have money for buying goods it will all be in a card with bar code and scanner it is already started and in time standard when it will all be like this I say soon in time and in time 30-40 years is really nothing, look at when you were say as far back as you can remember between say 7 and 10 years old where i mean you can really remember how things were at that age and how they are now what ever age you are if you over 30, we have had some many major changes and things i never even would of thought of at that age and now at age 43 i can say things have changed way more then i would ever thought it would. Everyone just think back some like I said and look at today that is kind of scary.

So I also think a group of people like this or other could have control of the world and what goes on and we the common person would have no clue, hell like I said I came across them by looking for a book to read or I would never even thought something like these people could even exists in the world. It has to make some people besides me think, you have to have a open mind to things and groups like this. Not saying I believe it all but least I look into it and research things like this some not that I could stop anything going on but I keep a open eye on all things and some i dump and others i keep on my watch you never know list.
 

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My wise old grandfather now gone 18 years. Lived to see alot in his 95 years. A staunch republican so much he helped make me a independent. Just becuase I saw one way only just does not work.
But it's strange you bring this subject up Fletch. Cramp's said back in the 50's to me follow the oil. He also said the powers to be that really ran this world numbered less then 10. And had been that way since the great depression. Cramp's was a Mason and a Elk also. He was a state leader for the republican party back in 40/50's. And a city councilmen for 38 years. Maybe he new more then he said or just guess it. But I know he beleved it.
 
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