US backs Iran civilian nuke program for first time

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States on Friday explicitly accepted for the first time that Iran can develop civilian nuclear programs, backing an EU proposal to allow Tehran to pursue atomic power in exchange for giving up fuel work.

In a compromise that completed a gradual shift in U.S. policy, Washington acquiesced because it believes the EU offer has enough safeguards to prevent Iran from diverting its civilian work into making nuclear bombs. :scared

"We support the (Europeans') effort and the proposal they have put forward to find a diplomatic solution to this problem and to seek an end to Iran's nuclear weapons program," State Department spokesman Tom Casey told reporters.

The U.S. acquiescence is in contrast with its stance in talks with North Korea, which it insists cannot have any nuclear development for fear Pyongyang would build atomic bombs under the guise of a civilian power program.

The shift also comes despite long-held U.S. worries that allowing a civilian program could help Iran develop its nuclear technology and know-how so that, if it ever breaks any EU agreement, it would be closer to acquiring a bomb.

A U.S. official said the EU offer helped allay American fears.

"There's a certainty and an ability to ensure that none of the nuclear fuel that would be involved is diverted to an illicit nuclear weapons program," said the official, who asked not to be named because he was not authorized to discuss details of the proposal.

The EU -- represented by Britain, France and Germany -- has held talks for two years to find a compromise between arch foes Iran and the United States.

Washington accuses Iran of trying to covertly build a nuclear bomb. Tehran says its programs are peaceful and that it has the right to convert and enrich uranium, which can be used for power generation or to build bombs.

OPPOSITION ERODES

The U.S. opposition to nuclear power plants in Iran has eroded this year.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has increasingly pointed to a power plant deal between Russia and Iran as an example of how to limit the risk from a civilian program because Moscow controls the fuel.

But while the United States had accepted such an arrangement under that one deal, until Friday it had not explicitly agreed to the principle that Iran could have a civilian program.

Friday's compromise was in line with Washington's new approach this year on Iran.

Rice has dropped the U.S. skepticism toward the Europeans' negotiations and repeatedly said the United States wants to avoid being blamed for any failure of the talks.

To boost the Europeans' leverage, in March, Rice offered Iran economic incentives -- a start to World Trade Organization membership and access to civilian aircraft parts -- to abandon any nuclear weapons programs.

A senior State Department official said the Europeans could seek more incentives from the United States.

"If it looks as if this initial plan might have a chance of actually becoming part of an agreement, then there might be an opportunity for the EU to come back to the U.S. to ask for further engagement," the official, who could not be named under the department's ground rules, told reporters in a teleconference.

The EU offered to declare its "willingness to support Iran to develop a safe, economically viable and proliferation-proof civil nuclear power generation and research program."

The bloc offered to guarantee supplies of fuel for light-water nuclear power reactors but insisted Iran return to the supplier all spent fuel, which can also be used in atomic weaponry.

The State Department's No. 3 official, Nicholas Burns, told reporters, "We hope that Iran will look at this proposal seriously."
 

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I'm sure glad the liberals didn't make that decision. All the guys in the middle would be all over it calling them sissy boys and what not.
 

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Might be a give away. Or let them have it then we can claim there cheating and blow the hell out of it.
We may let Korea have all the food they want to. Just to make that go away.
 

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Think they are more worried about a couple other countries, not necessarily Iran.

They are trying to go with the carrot/stick approach as an example to others that they can bend on this.

I wouldn't trust the Euro's with YOUR money but we have to go with what they have to say upon their inspections in the future.



BTW

Love all the "centrists" of this forum :mj07:
 

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IntenseOperator said:
Think they are more worried about a couple other countries, not necessarily Iran.

They are trying to go with the carrot/stick approach as an example to others that they can bend on this.

I wouldn't trust the Euro's with YOUR money but we have to go with what they have to say upon their inspections in the future.



BTW

Love all the "centrists" of this forum :mj07:


That's beyond hilarious. Isn't the party line that the Euros are all a bunch of weak pussies who get paid off and whose 'inspections' are a joke? Even though they were exactly right about Iraq?

But NOW, we have to 'go with what they say upon inspections.' That's funny stuff.

I ask any of you...ummmm....enlightened ones to look at this objectively and honestly. What would you be posting if it was a democratic admin who relented and backed down?

You would be going nuts and you know it.

And I/O, what are these 'other countries' that you figure we're more worried about.

Christ, the spin never ends.

Personally, I think it's a great approach and for the time being the way to handle this. But some of you guys, well, you change with the winds.
 

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I'm not "spinning" anything

it was just a thought

As I said, I would never trust the Europeans, especially the ones more interested in making money off the situation.

I also think many believe these countries are going to get whatever access they want to nuclear material. By doing what they are doing now, the US will have some control of the situation. Having some control over something that may be inevitable may be the best of a bad situation.

I really don't give a phuck about whether or not a Democratic admin may or may not have handled this thing in whatever manner they would have. But then again, I'm not a "centrist" and I don't think about idiotic things such as that.
 

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Anybody that still thinks Bush is a conservative is crazy. Look at his out of control spending. No conservative would advocate that - not even a neoconservative. And certainly no paleoconservative would do the same. Bush is in a world of his own. This is just one more example.
 

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what`d they do?...send madoline albright over to broker the deal?....

sounds like her north korean deal....

what a negotiator...
 

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"....out of control spending..."

The national debt was at around 5.5 trillion when Dubya took over, now it's at around 7.8 trillion....

....or around 1.64 billion per day.

At that rate Dubya will be able to smile after his watch is over knowing that a third of the national debt was accrued during his tenure. :)
 

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we may not have a choice in our capitulation..........

first n. korea.....which was totally botched by us..

and iraq?....debate the invasion if you will...and it`s a legit debate.....i`ll go to my grave believing that iraq was either developing weapons....or was ready to continue same as soon as the crumbling,bogus sanctions and inspections were abandoned..

which was in the cards for the near future...

and now iran....

the problem is that our histotical allies(france,germany,)...and our supposed new allies(soviet union)..and the rest of the world.....have no intention of trying to stymie dictator`s and despot`s attempts at nuclear proliferation as long as they can make money off them....

or,they just have no stomach for conflict....which i can understand....

it`s just that the stakes are so damned high,that all other considerations are almost irrelevant

terrorism and islamic extremism will make them pay attention in the near future ,though...mark my word on that...

what may happen in the "far east" is that we will give our blessing, at some point, to japan to pursue their own defense....

and with japan`s technology and resources...if they choose to...they can leave n. korea in the dust and become a very formidable foe for china in a very short time...

of course there`s the danger of japan becoming powerful and leaving the u.s.` orbit....we took saddam`s side vs what we considered a larger threat in iran a few decades ago.....then,saddam became the danger.....

but,now that japan has become a democracy,it doesn`t appear that`s likely....

when did one democracy ever attack another?....can anyone recall?...

i believe that`s part of the administration`s rationale in trying to light the democratic fire in the middle east...

may not work...but,i understand the concept...

the ever shifting tide of geo-politics...no one can predict the future...

as far as the "middle east" is concerned...with fellow democracy israel under a constant state of siege...and the west being ever dependent on oil...it`s a whole different scenario than the "far east"...

with the extrmist mentality of the dictators and mullahs...the sheer unpredictability of the situation....with shadowy groups possibly forming unholy alliances with despots to do god knows what as their silent proxies....

so much more important....so much more dangerous...
 

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Kinda makes one wonder how the world would be different without the works of Fermi, Einstein, Oppenheimer, Teller......

Probably would have come about from somewhere else had these guys thought twice and balked on nuclear advances.....
 

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We will never now if N Korea was botched till called one of the axes of evil.
 
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