DTB......I don't advocate sitting back and "doing nothing".....If we don't protect our borders and keep them out and continue with the security measures installed after 9/11 then we're as good as hit.....realistically I see it happening again, given the huge number of targets to protect and the mass of border upon which the terrorists can pick and choose of where to come into the country at....the only unknowns in my mind is the scale of the attack and where it happens here...
However great the intentions are in the middle east, I don't see OBL among the dead, and I don't foresee killing all the terrorists and insurgents in the middle east by camping out in Iraq and expecting all of them to just flock to the fight in Iraq.....Egypt and England are prime examples of this....
In an idealistic world you guys go to Iraq and all the terrorists in the world go to Iraq, you kill off those finite number of terrorists and come home. There are no new recruits to fight and everybody there is throwing roses except for the terrorists who choose the throw grenades. You kill off the terrorists and the world is now safe because somehow this army of evil has been thoroughly exterminated. This is the way most movies end, Rambo and Bruce Willis come to mind.
In the realistic world you guys go to Iraq, some of the terrorists choose to go to Iraq, and fight it out, the rest of them stay where they are at elsewhere in the world and ruminate about thier next moves.....in this scenario not only are you fighting the terrorists, but you are also fighting a healthy portion of the population who is fighting merely because of the OCCUPATION of Iraq, guys that in all probability pose no problems to the planet as an active terrorist does but only pose a problem because they fight simply out of thier reasoning of deposing a foreign army from the land of Islam.....not only that but the ones scattered across the middle east recruit new members to the fight, and one has to wonder if they'd even bother to join up except for the fact that the USA is occupying Iraq.....
Given the state of turmoil the middle east, and given the fact that you're not fighting a war like the idealistic one I listed above.....let's face it, if we were fighting a uniformed army there could be envisioned an end......
Given the fact that your battleground in Iraq is more like the one I wrote of in the realistic paragraph........
Where does it end for you guys in the middle east?
Where is your final victory?
All I see is training a second-rate fighting force in Iraq, and civil war in thier future with some leader of brutality unknown emerging, or the major religious factions in Iraq separating and creating separate areas of living within thier given faction...
We leave and then guard against the terrorists we missed that didn't bother to go to Iraq and the second and third string of recruits.....
As far as "diss them for thier efforts...".....count me among the crowd that can support a soldier and hope for his best welfare, but not support the government because the cause is flawed along with the leadership and possibly the tactics...
Vietnam would have been a perfect example of this.....had I been around during Nam, I would have spoken out against the war, but I'm not one of those types who would have spit on the soldiers when they came back.....
Supporting your soldiers doesn't necessarily include supporting the government....those are exclusive events, which may or may not be present at the same time.....for me, the time they would have been most closely meshed would have been the effort in the Pacific theatre after the Japanese attack of Pearl Harbor.....after WWII the motives of government changed and things get a bit murky.....fighting other countries civil wars in Korea and Nam....
However great the intentions are in the middle east, I don't see OBL among the dead, and I don't foresee killing all the terrorists and insurgents in the middle east by camping out in Iraq and expecting all of them to just flock to the fight in Iraq.....Egypt and England are prime examples of this....
In an idealistic world you guys go to Iraq and all the terrorists in the world go to Iraq, you kill off those finite number of terrorists and come home. There are no new recruits to fight and everybody there is throwing roses except for the terrorists who choose the throw grenades. You kill off the terrorists and the world is now safe because somehow this army of evil has been thoroughly exterminated. This is the way most movies end, Rambo and Bruce Willis come to mind.
In the realistic world you guys go to Iraq, some of the terrorists choose to go to Iraq, and fight it out, the rest of them stay where they are at elsewhere in the world and ruminate about thier next moves.....in this scenario not only are you fighting the terrorists, but you are also fighting a healthy portion of the population who is fighting merely because of the OCCUPATION of Iraq, guys that in all probability pose no problems to the planet as an active terrorist does but only pose a problem because they fight simply out of thier reasoning of deposing a foreign army from the land of Islam.....not only that but the ones scattered across the middle east recruit new members to the fight, and one has to wonder if they'd even bother to join up except for the fact that the USA is occupying Iraq.....
Given the state of turmoil the middle east, and given the fact that you're not fighting a war like the idealistic one I listed above.....let's face it, if we were fighting a uniformed army there could be envisioned an end......
Given the fact that your battleground in Iraq is more like the one I wrote of in the realistic paragraph........
Where does it end for you guys in the middle east?
Where is your final victory?
All I see is training a second-rate fighting force in Iraq, and civil war in thier future with some leader of brutality unknown emerging, or the major religious factions in Iraq separating and creating separate areas of living within thier given faction...
We leave and then guard against the terrorists we missed that didn't bother to go to Iraq and the second and third string of recruits.....
As far as "diss them for thier efforts...".....count me among the crowd that can support a soldier and hope for his best welfare, but not support the government because the cause is flawed along with the leadership and possibly the tactics...
Vietnam would have been a perfect example of this.....had I been around during Nam, I would have spoken out against the war, but I'm not one of those types who would have spit on the soldiers when they came back.....
Supporting your soldiers doesn't necessarily include supporting the government....those are exclusive events, which may or may not be present at the same time.....for me, the time they would have been most closely meshed would have been the effort in the Pacific theatre after the Japanese attack of Pearl Harbor.....after WWII the motives of government changed and things get a bit murky.....fighting other countries civil wars in Korea and Nam....
