It is about time...

[smurphy]

DTB - you did not have disdain for the Cheneys and Bushes who used connections to basically get out of having to go to Nam? I'm not being snide or anything, just curious about that.

And why so much disdain for Kerry, when he at least served his time in Nam before speaking out against it. ...In fact, weren't there thousands of troops who protested the war once they made it home. Do you have the same level of disdain for them?

I'm very interested in your opinion on that. My Dad was actually very "love it or leave it" when he returned. His view about the war and protesters did not change until a few years later.

 

[LUX]

DTB - you did not have disdain for the Cheneys and Bushes who used connections to basically get out of having to go to Nam? I'm not being snide or anything, just curious about that.

And why so much disdain for Kerry, when he at least served his time in Nam before speaking out against it. ...In fact, weren't there thousands of troops who protested the war once they made it home. Do you have the same level of disdain for them?

I'm very interested in your opinion on that. My Dad was actually very "love it or leave it" when he returned. His view about the war and protesters did not change until a few years later.

:jerkit:

 

[kosar]

:jerkit:

Another Manson ghost? Good post.

 

[Marco]

"The protesters got the boys home. It is unknown how many lives American lives were saved by the protesters. It is also unknown how many American lives were needlessly estinguished because the powers that be prolonged a war we could never win."

Exactly StevieD.....

We didn't have a valid reason to fight there, when we did fight we fought with rules of engagement and one arm tied behind our back...wiser people would have stayed out of Vietnam and the dumbasses who put us there should have just bombed the North relentlessly and had the war over in a month. If you're going to war then get brutal and get it over with. Just win baby.

The protesters spoke out and saved thousands of lives, without thier help thousands of our boys would have spent years more in that malaria infested $hithole full of leeches and soaked to the bone from the monsoons......if no one would have spoken out the government would have killed off another generation with thier agregious stupidity.

The people who claim our boys are fighting for our freedoms and protecting us......that was true during WWII when we pushed the Japs back after Pearl Harbor. It had nothing to do with fighting in Vietnam trying to keep a few hundred miles of rancid jungle from communist control.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

"The protesters got the boys home. It is unknown how many lives American lives were saved by the protesters. It is also unknown how many American lives were needless extinguished because the powers that be prolonged a war that we could never win."

The protestors got over 250,000 vietnamese and over a million cambodians massacred which they said squat about after wailing about civilian deaths all during the war.

-and war we could never win??--miltary deaths had regressed from all time high of Tet in 68 of 14,594 to 1,394 in 71 and 300 in 72.

--and as stated above our pullout results in slaughter of over a million---

"DTB - you did not have disdain for the Cheneys and Bushes who used connections to basically get out of having to go to Nam? I'm not being snide or anything, just curious about that.

And why so much disdain for Kerry, when he at least served his time in Nam before speaking out against it. ...In fact, weren't there thousands of troops who protested the war once they made it home. Do you have the same level of disdain for them?"

protesting war is one thing--dissing the troops and giving support to enemy is quite another.

and for kerry--he volunterred for Nam at time their duty was off coast-not expecting combat--only afterwards did they transfer navy personel to in country support which with in 3 months he managed to get out by self nonminated bogus medals and we know what followed on his return. Aside from Fonda he is worse of the lot.

 

[Master Capper]

"DTB - you did not have disdain for the Cheneys and Bushes who used connections to basically get out of having to go to Nam? I'm not being snide or anything, just curious about that.

And why so much disdain for Kerry, when he at least served his time in Nam before speaking out against it. ...In fact, weren't there thousands of troops who protested the war once they made it home. Do you have the same level of disdain for them?"

protesting war is one thing--dissing the troops and giving support to enemy is quite another.

and for kerry--he volunterred for Nam at time their duty was off coast-not expecting combat--only afterwards did they transfer navy personel to in country support which with in 3 months he managed to get out by self nonminated bogus medals and we know what followed on his return. Aside from Fonda he is worse of the lot

You forgot to address your feelings towards Cheney and Bush or why they get a free pass in your book?

 

[ocelot]

Lux the Loser. Welcome Cherry-Boy

 

[LUX]

Thanks Ocelot, now get back to fvcking that pig you call a wife.

 

[Marco]

"The protesters got over 250,000 vietnamese and over a million cambodians massacred which they said squat about after wailing about civilian deaths all during the war."

"-and war we could never win??--military deaths had regressed from all time high of tet in 68 of 14,594 to 1,394 in 71 and 300 in 72."

You weren't going to win the war the way the administration was fighting it the first nine years, and in the tenth year they finally pulled out.

Spend another 20 years in that jungle fighting for a hill and giving it back the next week the outcome would have been the same....

If they would have been serious about winning and putting an end to the war , they would have bombed the hell out of the north and forced a withdrawal or surrender.......they didn't learn a damn thing over the course of ten years in the jungle, had we stayed longer it wouldn't have mattered.

If you claim to want to eliminate every atrocity that a government or dictator does against it's own people, then you might as well conscript everyone living in the US to military duty and we can all just become professional mercenaries....we are not the caretakers of the planet, if people are getting misused in thier own country then they have an obligation to fight for what they feel is right and put an end to the situation.....