R U the next heavy champ? I am said Sam.

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Banked a unit here at MJ's with McCall over Selena (sic) last week.

NEXT!

Are you the next champ? I am said Sam.

The reason I came to Vegas to hang for a while is because I think boxing is a beautiful thing, and I got tired of flying back and forth from Jersey all the time.

And never is it more beautiful than when you get to experience one of the all-too-rare-these-days outside events at dusk.

I had the opportunity to sit at Caesars, in the new outside arena, under a star-filled night sky also lit by Vegas neon,
with the Bellagio water show in the background,
and got to see DaVarryl Williamson vs Wladimir Klitschko.

DaVarryl got robbed that night as Klit-boy took a page out of his sisters book and quit on his stool.
I watched as the crowd fav Klit went from cheers to jeers.

Wladimir began with the crowd clearly behind him but then DaVarryl (at least 25 lbs. and 3-4 inches smaller,) who was outboxed early, got over his initial trepidation and started to come on strong.
The cheers turned to jeers and the crowd booed Klitscko in rounds 3 and 4.
After DaVarryl knocked him on his ass in the 4th Klit-boy really lost the crowd as he began to back up, refusing to fight.

It is something to behold, to be in the midst of it, and see a performance command respect and sway the crowd to switch alliances, as Williamson did that night with that hard right of his.

All of a sudden Klitschko is sitting on his stool. Murmurs from the crowd began to grow in volume as everyone tried to figure out why the next round was not beginning. Klit was getting beat, and seemed hurt and bewildered no doubt, but, though cut over both eyes, neither looked serious enough to warrant a stoppage.

Then, all of a sudden, it was over.
Called because an injury prevented Klit from continuing.
And getting a beating.

It went to the cards and when they announced Wlad the winner the boos drowned out the announcer as debris rained down in the ring.

I never brought into the Klitschko hype in the first place.
I have waited for the right spot to make some $ on Wlad after watching him quit that night, and I think I have it in sight.

This is a step up for Peters, but it is a natural step at this point.

Wlad barely got by "A Touch of Sleep" but it's time for him to have a nightmare,
a N-I-G-E-R-I-A-N Nightmare.

Samuel is 24-0, and admittedly a 24-0 that has been cautiously acquired. But I think he passes this next test.

Klit should have quit after Sanders exposed him.
But his people have carefully built his career,
played the "brothers" angle,
played off that old favorite of heavyweight managers and promoters - whiteness - and were not about to let the Sanders loss stop them from trying to cash in on their investment.

So they fed him 2 confidence building bouts with stiffs back home in Germany, for easy W's.

Then he came back to the states against mid-level competition in Lamont Brewster and he got KO'd again in Vegas.
If you saw that fight you could see Wlad doesn't want to fight anymore, it was in the body-English.
Yet, after that loss they pushed him in with the much smaller DaVarryl, who many (especially Wlad's managers) thought was washed up after losing to Mesi by KO in round 1.
Klitschko got credited with a W but was clearly in trouble and most likely would have lost.
So, back to Germany for another easy confidence builder and a W.

Now, with their investment almost shot,
his handlers are grabbing the best $-fight out there for him, before he gets beat again and becomes worthless to them.

Toss out the cupcakes served to him for a bit of homecooking in Germany and Klitschko has lost 2 of his last 3 against serious competition, and would have lost the third if he didn't weasel out of it.
Peter is untested at this level but I believe him to be AT LEAST on par with Sanders, Brewster, and Williamson.

I know what I know and I saw what I saw - fear in Klitschko's eyes, in both the Brewster and Williamson matches.
And if I am on the money with this analysis we will see it again,
in his eyes, in the ring, early, on September 24th.
I believe he will hear the Peters hype, and fear the Peters hype.
I believe he will be Deer-in-the-headlights, like Golota vs Brewster, like so many of Tysons early opponents were.
I believe he doesn't want to fight anymore.

Take the up-and-comer over the on-the-way-down'er,
take the newest next-big-thing over the older, failed next-big-thing, (remember when everyone used to say Wlad was the better Klit, not Vitali?)
take the guy who wants to fight over the guy whose managers want him to fight,
take the future promotional money guy over the past one.

Take Samuel and lay the -190.
And let us see the end of Klit #1, hopefully to be followed by Klit #2 shortly after.

And maybe, just maybe, Peter can start to help this joke of a heavyweight division to heal and become respectable once again.....
 
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I have to disagree with alot in this post. First of all, it was a flash knockdown when T.O.S. caught Wlad off balanced, but it was a knockdown none the less. After he got knocked down, he got up to make it a 10-9 round by putting pressure on T.O.S. and hitting him with some good shots. T.O.S. tried to stay away most of the fight and made it a boring fight. Wlad wasn't as aggressive as usual, but he still was making the fight, not T.O.S. I had Wlad winning on my scorecard, so I don't see how it was a robbery. He threw/landed more and landed the better punches. On top of that all, he was more aggressive in the fight.....

The Peter/Wlad fight will be interesting to say the least. Questions will be asked and answered that night about Peter's chin. stamina, and defense. Wlad will have these tested as well. It should be exciting as long as it lasts....

Also, V.K. will kill Rahman, so I don't think his reign will end shortly after the loss to Wlad that you predict.........
 

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I agree Armagetto. I didn't see any indication tht Wlad quit against Williamson, nor that he didn't want to fight. Besides 1 good punch Williamson did a whole lot of nothing in that fight. Then they headbutted and Wlad had a NASTY gash on his head. ANY fighter would have been stopped on that cut, it was flat out gross. Wlad got the win and rightfully so, he won every round except the round that he was dropped and came on strong that round to.

As for Peter-Wlad, Wlad's chances will depend on the HIGHLY unproven Peter's chin. If Peter has an excellent chin Wlad don't have much of a shot. If Peter's chin isn't that great he will get KO'ed. Wlad will land first and more often but if he can't dissuade Peter he will lose. If he can dissuade Peter he can win.
 

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I played the under 6.5 +125 and Klitschko +220...both small plays

The over 6.5 is now +113 and Peters is down to -180 so I can scalp both for free money at any time, which was part of my plan.

I agree with MF, the outcome of this fight will come down to Peter's chin. Wlad has a huge height and reach advantage, he will definitly get off first as Peters tries to get inside. Just like Vitali will pick Rahman apart as he tries to get within punching range.

If Peters can somehow take Klits power shots, he has a very good chance of winning. Which is why he's favored 2-1. But if he can't take Wlad's bombs, it will be a very easy night for Klit.

I've seen both of these guys fight several times, it doesn't take genious to know that Klit is MUCH more skilled than Peter. Sam is all power, no movement, no combinations, no jab, just raw power and thats it. Wlad will dominate on the outside, no question.


Sonny

The biggest problem I have with your write-up is that you failed to mention how Wlad absolutely destroyed Brewster for 5 rounds. The only reason Brewster won that fight is b/c Wlad used up all his energy beating the sh*t out of him. Wlad had Brewster very hurt in every round and he spent all his energy trying to finish him off early.

I've seen it happen many times, Vivian Harris did the same thing in his last fight. He thought he had Maussa hurt and wanted to finish him early to impress the critics. He shot his load in the first few rounds and nothing left after that.

Maussa didn't beat Harris, Harris beat himself.
Brewster didn't beat Wlad, Wlad beat himself.


If you are going to use the Wlad-Brew fight in your arguement, don't mislead anyone by saying that Brewster beat Wlad without mentioning that Wlad beat the living sh*t out of Brewster the entire fight before falling over from exhaustion.

Wlad definitly has stamina issues, but any heavyweight would've been exhausted after dishing out that kind of ass-kicking.

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These forums are at their best when contrarian opinions are presented, in a maturemanner, rather than "you're-an-idiot" fashion. It is then that we all get to formulate educated opinions.
Thanks for adding yours Arm and Mayorga......

There are these trick kind of pictures, you know the ones,
one guy looks at it and sees a guy with a beard, another sees a beautiful lady.
It's the same thing in fights sometimes, when one person views it live and another on TV. There have even been times when I have sat ringside, had one opinion, got home and reviewed tapes and instant replays, and realized it was not as I thought.

My post got a little long in story, so I kept parts out, will add/counterpoint here.
Yes, it was DaVarryl who was boring at first, afraid to mix it up, as I said with "initial trepidation"; and the crowd let him know they were unhappy. I think the jeers got to him ,and he figured 'what the hell, might as well let it all hang out' and he switched styles and went on the offensive. With positive results as Klit landed on his ass.
I had Wlad ahead too, didn't say, or mean to imply he was robbed by the scorecards, just that I thought the tides had changed. And at the end of rnd 4 the crowd had switched allegiances and was clearly behind Williamson. It was palpable at ringside.

The robbery I spoke of was the overall opinion of the crowd in the stadium, and at the sports book afterwards, that Klitschko could have continued, as others with worse cuts have, but chose the easy way out knowing he was ahead at the time. Fans that pay to see a fight exect to be fulfilled, and Klit left this crowd wanting. I know, I was there.
Vit vs Rahman? I don't know, haven't thought on it much. But remember when Vit was considered the lesser? Remember how many of the idiot boxing press tried to pull a fast one later on, saying Vit was the more talented? It was April of 2000, and Vitali had quit while ahead against light hitting Byrd. Wlad was still undefeated at the time and held up as the better prospect. He then beats Byrd for revenge of the 'bro, goes on to beat a few more, than, after the guy said by many to be the next big thing got utterly destroyed by Sanders the press says "oh yeah, Vit was always the better prospect, he just had a bum shoulder vs Byrd."
Verse Rahman? I don't know. I take them one at a time, and this one is first.
The cut? I was there, ringside, I swear we were all in shock they let him quit. It didn't look bad up close. And that's why he got booed and garbage tossed at him, others ringside agreed. Or maybe they were just pissed at the short end to the main event?
Anyway, that's my memory of it.
As for Wlad not wanting to fight, again at many fights fighters protest, vehemently, when a fight is about to be stopped. No such concern on Wlads part. (anyone remember the fight where they caught Goosen on tape, telling his fighter "you're ahead on the scorecards, let them stop it"? This reminded me of that.
And I am telling you, it is VERY clear in my mind, vs. Brewster, he had the "I don't want to be here" look on his face at the end of it and afterwards.

Anyway, all just opinions at this point, thanks again for offering contrarian ones, maybe I'll dig up the Williamson tape and view it again and see what I can see......
 
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Box, didn't see your reply when I posted my counterpoints, we were posting at the same moment, didn't mean to not include ya, getting kind of wordy now so I'll be brief.

I don't pose an argument, I offer an opinion. And again, my column was running long, but you are right, it should have had a mention that Wlad was beating Brewester badly.
But even though he had Brewester pummeled Wlad lacked finishing power, in more than one spot in the bout.

Should a top level pro be exhausted after 5 rounds, in a big fight when there were a lot of ?'s hanging over him?
I don't think so.
More than "I think so" I guess, the answer is obviously not, or at least in this case, because Brewster came back to KO him.

The point I wanted to make most is that having seen him up close twice recently I get the feeling that Wlad doesn't have the heart to do this anymore, I get the sense he is being pushed into the ring.
I don't know it for a fact, nor do I propose it to be fact. Just my gut feel from looking in his eyes and his body English.
The heavyweight division is the worst it has been in my lifetime. And maybe I hang too much hope on Peter being the beginning of a new era, and ringing out this sorry one. I could be wrong, remember Michael Grant? I wonder if Peter is this years version?
Maybe we'll see in September.
Thanks again to all for reminding me of things that may have slipped my memory, and for giving me things to ponder as I go forward with my wagers on this night.....
 
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A top level pro should not be exhausted after 5 rounds, I agree. But its not like Wlad and Harris got tired from just boxing for 5 rounds, they were exhausted from throwing every punch they had too early trying to finish off their opponent.

Like I said, Wlad has definite stamina problems, but you can't say the same about Harris who won a 12 round decision over Urkal in Germany and then stopped Urkal in the 11th in ther next fight. Stamina or not, if you shoot your load early, you won't have anything left down the stretch.

In Harris' case, he was way too anxious to impress the critics with a quik KO. He knew it took Cotto 8 rounds to finish off Maussa and he thought if he did it in the first few rounds it would give him the attention he deserves from the boxing world. It had nothing to do with lack of training or stamnia issues, he just shot his load early, plain and simple.

In Wlad's case, he actually had good reason to go all out offensively. He was landing at will on Brew and had him extremely hurt several times in first few rounds. Any other heavyweight would have gone for the early finish after seeing their opponet so badly hurt. Brewster just has an unbelievable chin and he somehow weathered the storm.

If Wlad fought Brewster again, knowing what he knows now, he would outbox him and take his time breaking him down. When Harris fights Maussa again, he will do the exact same.
 

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One last thing...

I don't think the crowd changing their tune halfway through a fight has anything to do with who was winning or who deserved to win.

I've been to many fights live, even outdoor fights at dusk, the latest being Gardner-Toygonbaev outside of Harra's in Kansas City. I know first hand that the crowd will usually sway in favor of the fighter who is coming forward and pressing the action.

From what I've seen, most spectators at boxing matches are just everyday fans who want to drink beer and see someone get beat up. They have no idea what "sweet science" and they don't care if one guy is dominating with the jab on the outside, slipping punches and countering on the inside.

All they want to see is action and more beer coming their way. I don't see how a crowds reaction to a fight has any relevance.

I can't tell you how many times I've heard the tide of the crowd turn in favor of the guy who's throwing more punches and pressing the action. They don't care if none of the haymakers are landing, they just want to see a brawl and will cheer for whoever's pressing the action. They don't care if "their guy" is constantly eating a jab or getting countered with ease, they just want to see a fight.
 

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To finish the Harra's story...

Most of the crowd disagreed with the Gardner winning the decision b/c Toygon was pressing the action and throwing more punches. Sure didn't mean that he deserved to win the fight.

Remember...

Half, if not most of the crowd is not sitting close enough to the fight to see if the punches thrown are actually landing cleanly, they just see punches being thrown and assume they are landing.

Can't go by the ignorant, drunk, sight deprived crowd.
 

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I didn't wager on Harris' bout with Maussau, watched it with little interst or attention as I had no wager and a housefull of guests. Your references/analogies are noted but I can't speak on it with you as I barely watched and have not viewed tapes.

I don't sit with the drunk fans, I sit in the idiot press section at ringside, but in that group are also trainers, managers, fighters and others 'in the game'. They are the ones I sidle up to and confer with during and after bouts.
I do not imply the crowd has any bearing on the Williamson bout, or who should have won, or that it is relevant to the Peters fight.

Anybody here ever see a fight get stopped because of cuts? Did ya ever see a fighter throw a fit and argue he wants to continue, whether he felt he was ahead or behind?
Well, you saw no such arguement from Klitschko. And it's just my OPINION, as viewed from a couple feet away, that he was relieved. That's not something I like to see in a fighter. I'll also disagree with the seriousness of the cuts - I swear we were a few feet away and could not understand why there was a delay in the start of the round and were shocked when it was called. By 'we' I don't mean me and my girlfriend (who shocked the hell out of me when she stood up and yelled "quit like your brother did!" - ya gotta love a girl who not only goes to the fights with you, but actually enjoys it AND knows a little history, thanks to her dad); by 'we' I mean all of the people around me in my section.

And he sounded beat, mentally, post fight vs Brewster. No exaggeration I thought he was going to announce his retirement on the spot. He just looked broken to me

Understand - my post is actually a column for Ring Sports Magazine, and when you do a ringside report (or recollection) you have to try and paint a picture of the night for those who were not there. This usually includes some mention of the crowd.
My whole selection is based on what I saw in Klits eyes, and my gut feel from ringside - he doesn't want to fight. NOT A FACT, not stated as such, just my opinion on what I saw - and how I will use it - to wager against him in his next decent test (as opposed to wagering against him in the hand picked opponent confidence builders back home in in Germany.) It's just my take on what I saw, and my opinion on how to use it. And that is all anybodys picks here are - analysis of what we saw and how to use it to our advantage in the future.
Sometimes right, sometimes wrong.
Only time will tell.......
 
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I was going to bump this myself.......I never would have thought Wlad would win a 12 rounder either if you told me that Peter had a great chin.....Either way, go Wlad.....
 
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