Today shows what our emergency workers can do

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Just incredible. Superdome cleared out, overpass cleared out and convention center cleared out. Helicopters landing and taking off every minute or two, shuttling people and saving people and dropping supplies to people. This is what should have happened from the very beginning, or at least by wednesday at the latest. It didn't start until yesterday(friday) on a full scale basis. Before that the Coast Guard did an incredible job until everybody else showed up.

It should NOT have taken this long for all these reserves and regular army to be deployed and that was an embarrassment. But this proves that it is not the actual people doing the work who have the problem. As expected, the Guard/ Reservists, the Coast Guard and of course the active Army shows just how impeccable they are.

I don't think it's clear what the impediment was. Everybody is assigning blame based on (fill in the blank based on your agenda). I guess I would lean to Gov Blanco if a gun was to my head, but it's probably the system itself that bogs down because of it's own weight.

Thousands of people were on a fuc*ing highway overpass for 4 days with no water, no food, no shelter and no information. That's simply inexcusable. That highway had access. They weren't on some island. They could have gotten there and they DEFINITELY could have airdropped food and water very quickly. We all know the conditions in the Superdome and the Convention Center. Putrid, horrible, beyond disgusting and very violent. It's inexcusable.

We have idiots like Sharpton and many others (white and black) crying racism. Well, the mostly white parishes adjacent or very near New Orleans have been mostly ignored by the press and by the rescue effort. They are just as much under water as downtown New Orleans. Some of them more so.

I don't think it's some sort of reverse discrimination, but they can shove the racism angle up their ass.
 

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Thousands of people were on a fuc*ing highway overpass for 4 days with no water, no food, no shelter and no information. That's simply inexcusable. That highway had access. They weren't on some island. They could have gotten there and they DEFINITELY could have airdropped food and water very quickly.

You said a mouthful right there, I mean how long could it possibly take to get helicopters in there with food and water at the VERY least? Seems like an hour or two is still two long given the situation and resourses our country has.

SOMEONE has to be accountable and answer for the FOUR DAY delay. Inexcusable is the only word to describe it.
 

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You said a mouthful right there, I mean how long could it possibly take to get helicopters in there with food and water at the VERY least? Seems like an hour or two is still two long given the situation and resourses our country has.

SOMEONE has to be accountable and answer for the FOUR DAY delay. Inexcusable is the only word to describe it.

No doubt, man. Sickening. It doesn't even seem possible.
 

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KMA said:
Donald P. Green, a professor of political science at Yale University, said:

"The possibility for very serious damage to the administration exists. The unmistakable conclusion one would draw from this was this was a massive administration failure."




http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/04/n...&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print


Yeah, I would imagine this will affect him/Republicans(2006) to some extent. There is tons of blame to be spread around though.

From your article:

"Next Tuesday, the Roberts hearings start and that's going to occupy a significant part of the daily coverage," said Richard N. Bond, a former Republican chairman, referring to the Supreme Court confirmation hearings of John G. Roberts Jr.


Huh? WTF kind of a comment is this?



Another gem(no wonder he didn't want his name mentioned). This idiot is worried about political fallout.


"Given the racial component of this, and given the current political environment, there certainly seems to be a high level of risk to this story," said a Republican Party official, who, citing the concern among party officials about the criticism, would only discuss the question on the condition of not being identified
 

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Just saw a live interview that Tucker Carlson had with Sharpton on MSNBC.

Tucker told him that people were saying(and he's right that some people are saying this-black and white) that it was an organized conspiracy to try to intentionally starve black people to death.

All day today I watched helicopters drop food and water to black people that they couldn't immediately rescue because of power lines and for other reasons. Mostly in areas where they are still living in their homes and not in grave peril.

Sharpton said: 'there is no contrary evidence that they weren't trying to starve the black people to death, so you have to consider that as a possibility.'
 

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Anything that comes out of Sharpton's mouth should be ignored. He is a racist to the nth degree. He is akin to the mayor of N.O.

What's up kosar? Hope you are doing well.
 

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Anything that comes out of Sharpton's mouth should be ignored. He is a racist to the nth degree. He is akin to the mayor of N.O.

What's up kosar? Hope you are doing well.

Sharpton is a fuc*ing idiot.

All is well here, man. Thanks!
 

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kosar said:
Just incredible. Superdome cleared out, overpass cleared out and convention center cleared out. Helicopters landing and taking off every minute or two, shuttling people and saving people and dropping supplies to people. This is what should have happened from the very beginning, or at least by wednesday at the latest. It didn't start until yesterday(friday) on a full scale basis. Before that the Coast Guard did an incredible job until everybody else showed up.

It should NOT have taken this long for all these reserves and regular army to be deployed and that was an embarrassment. But this proves that it is not the actual people doing the work who have the problem. As expected, the Guard/ Reservists, the Coast Guard and of course the active Army shows just how impeccable they are.

I don't think it's clear what the impediment was. Everybody is assigning blame based on (fill in the blank based on your agenda). I guess I would lean to Gov Blanco if a gun was to my head, but it's probably the system itself that bogs down because of it's own weight.

Thousands of people were on a fuc*ing highway overpass for 4 days with no water, no food, no shelter and no information. That's simply inexcusable. That highway had access. They weren't on some island. They could have gotten there and they DEFINITELY could have airdropped food and water very quickly. We all know the conditions in the Superdome and the Convention Center. Putrid, horrible, beyond disgusting and very violent. It's inexcusable.

We have idiots like Sharpton and many others (white and black) crying racism. Well, the mostly white parishes adjacent or very near New Orleans have been mostly ignored by the press and by the rescue effort. They are just as much under water as downtown New Orleans. Some of them more so.

I don't think it's some sort of reverse discrimination, but they can shove the racism angle up their ass.





Agree 100%

Evacuating the people should of started Tuesday not friday or saturday
 

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I want to know why Sharpton and co. are not blaming the black mayor of New Orleans for having ZERO evacuation plans for his city.

Think about it -- you are the mayor of a very very poor city which is up to 9 feet below sea level, sinking by the year, right in the gulf coast's hurricane alley.

Don't you think you would have a plan to get every means of transportation and law enforcement pounding on every door picking up your sick, weak, and poverty stricken PRIOR TO an event such as this?????

Does this black mayor not care about his own people????

Why is there no outrage in the black community about this bum???

Why is the media leaving this guy alone???
 

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First of all I went to preface this by saying that anybody who has ever visited the Politics Forum, knows I don't respect, appreciate or find anything positive in the person playing as our President at the moment.............BUT, there were helicopters there the next day. Unfortuantely they couldn't land and help because the animals on the ground were shooting at them. It seems they weren't able to eat one of the televisions that they stole to help them "survive". Don't get me wrong, it is a sad and a bad situation, but in usual American fashion, nobody has any accountablity for their own situations............
 

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I want to know why Sharpton and co. are not blaming the black mayor of New Orleans for having ZERO evacuation plans for his city.

Think about it -- you are the mayor of a very very poor city which is up to 9 feet below sea level, sinking by the year, right in the gulf coast's hurricane alley.

Don't you think you would have a plan to get every means of transportation and law enforcement pounding on every door picking up your sick, weak, and poverty stricken PRIOR TO an event such as this?????

Does this black mayor not care about his own people????

Why is there no outrage in the black community about this bum???

Why is the media leaving this guy alone???

This hits the proverbial nail on the head.

With a city situated in a flood plain, why isn't there contingency plans for floods. N. Orleans city officials (who are predominately black) have to look in the mirror instead of pointing fingers....at the "white" Federal government. It's always easier to blame someone than to accept responsibility, and it shows in the way N.Orleans government officials handled this whole thing.

Yes, it was a catastrophe beyond earlier comprehension, but there is plenty of blame to go around and with people still needing help, this isn't the time to start squawking ala Sharpton and his gang of racists.

Also, the media hasn't helped much by showing the same footage of looting over and over again, hour after hour, day and night.
 

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This hits the proverbial nail on the head.

With a city situated in a flood plain, why isn't there contingency plans for floods. N. Orleans city officials (who are predominately black) have to look in the mirror instead of pointing fingers....at the "white" Federal government. It's always easier to blame someone than to accept responsibility, and it shows in the way N.Orleans government officials handled this whole thing.

Yes, it was a catastrophe beyond earlier comprehension, but there is plenty of blame to go around and with people still needing help, this isn't the time to start squawking ala Sharpton and his gang of racists.

Also, the media hasn't helped much by showing the same footage of looting over and over again, hour after hour, day and night.


Actually, FEMA had considered this issue, and our good president decided that the money was better spent on the war in Iraq.

> "No One Can Say they Didn't See it Coming"

>

> By Sidney Blumenthal

>

> In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the

> three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut

> New Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.

>

> Biblical in its uncontrolled rage and scope, Hurricane Katrina has left

> millions of Americans to scavenge for food and shelter and hundreds to

> thousands reportedly dead. With its main levee broken, the evacuated city

> of New Orleans has become part of the Gulf of Mexico. But the damage

> wrought by the hurricane may not entirely be the result of an act of

> nature.

>

> A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New

> Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush

> administration ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a flood

> killed six people in 1995, Congress created the Southeast Louisiana Urban

> Flood Control Project, in which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and

> renovated levees and pumping stations. In early 2001, the Federal

> Emergency Management Agency issued a report stating that a hurricane

> striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the

> U.S., including a terrorist attack on New York City. But by 2003 the

> federal funding for the flood control project essentially dried up as it

> was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush administration cut

> funding requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of

> Engineers for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more than

> 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total

> reduction in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the New Orleans

> district of the Corps to impose a hiring freeze. The Senate had debated

> adding funds for fixing New Orleans' levees, but it was too late.

>

> The New Orleans Times-Picayune, which before the hurricane published a

> series on the federal funding problem, and whose presses are now

> underwater, reported online: "No one can say they didn't see it coming ...

> Now in the wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are

> being asked about the lack of preparation."

>

> The Bush administration's policy of turning over wetlands to developers

> almost certainly also contributed to the heightened level of the storm

> surge. In 1990, a federal task force began restoring lost wetlands

> surrounding New Orleans. Every two miles of wetland between the Crescent

> City and the Gulf reduces a surge by half a foot. Bush had promised "no

> net loss" of wetlands, a policy launched by his father's administration

> and bolstered by President Clinton. But he reversed his approach in 2003,

> unleashing the developers. The Army Corps of Engineers and the

> Environmental Protection Agency then announced they could no longer

> protect wetlands unless they were somehow related to interstate commerce.

>

> In response to this potential crisis, four leading environmental groups

> conducted a joint expert study, concluding in 2004 that without wetlands

> protection New Orleans could be devastated by an ordinary, much less a

> Category 4 or 5, hurricane. "There's no way to describe how mindless a

> policy that is when it comes to wetlands protection," said one of the

> report's authors. The chairman of the White House's Council on

> Environmental Quality dismissed the study as "highly questionable," and

> boasted, "Everybody loves what we're doing."

> "My administration's climate change policy will be science based,"

> President Bush declared in June 2001. But in 2002, when the Environmental

> Protection Agency submitted a study on global warming to the United

> Nations reflecting its expert research, Bush derided it as "a report put

> out by a bureaucracy," and excised the climate change assessment from the

> agency's annual report. The next year, when the EPA issued its first

> comprehensive "Report on the Environment," stating, "Climate change has

> global consequences for human health and the environment," the White House

> simply demanded removal of the line and all similar conclusions. At the

> G-8 meeting in Scotland this year, Bush successfully stymied any common

> action on global warming. Scientists, meanwhile, have continued to

> accumulate impressive data on the rising temperature of the oceans, which

> has produced more severe hurricanes.

>

> In February 2004, 60 of the nation's leading scientists, including 20

> Nobel laureates, warned in a statement, "Restoring Scientific Integrity in

> Policymaking": "Successful application of science has played a large part

> in the policies that have made the United States of America the world's

> most powerful nation and its citizens increasingly prosperous and healthy

> ... Indeed, this principle has long been adhered to by presidents and

> administrations of both parties in forming and implementing policies. The

> administration of George W. Bush has, however, disregarded this principle

> ... The distortion of scientific knowledge for partisan political ends

> must cease." Bush completely ignored this statement.

>

> In the two weeks preceding the storm in the Gulf, the trumping of science

> by ideology and expertise by special interests accelerated. The Federal

> Drug Administration announced that it was postponing sale of the

> morning-after contraceptive pill, despite overwhelming scientific evidence

> of its safety and its approval by the FDA's scientific advisory board. The

> United Nations special envoy for HIV/AIDS in Africa accused the Bush

> administration of responsibility for a condom shortage in Uganda -- the

> result of the administration's evangelical Christian agenda of

> "abstinence." When the chief of the Bureau of Justice Statistics in the

> Justice Department was ordered by the White House to delete its study that

> African-Americans and other minorities are subject to racial profiling in

> police traffic stops and he refused to buckle under, he was forced out of

> his job. When the Army Corps of Engineers' chief contracting oversight

> analyst objected to a $7 billion no-bid contract awarded for work in Iraq

> to Halliburton (the firm at which Vice President Cheney was formerly CEO),

> she was demoted despite her superior professional ratings. At the National

> Park Service, a former Cheney aide, a political appointee lacking

> professional background, drew up a plan to overturn past environmental

> practices and prohibit any mention of evolution while allowing sale of

> religious materials through the Park Service.

>

> On the day the levees burst in New Orleans, Bush delivered a speech in

> Colorado comparing the Iraq war to World War II and himself to Franklin D.

> Roosevelt: "And he knew that the best way to bring peace and stability to

> the region was by bringing freedom to Japan." Bush had boarded his very

> own "Streetcar Named Desire."

>

> Sidney Blumenthal, a former assistant and senior advisor to President

> Clinton and the author of "The Clinton Wars," is writing a column for

> Salon and the Guardian of London.
 

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AP: Army Corps of Engineers says police killed some of its workers as they crossed a bridge on the way to repair a canal. More soon

From cnn.com. This isn't good.
 

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Just heard this also, BJ. They said it was contractors that they killed. Didn't know it was the Army Corps of Engineers. Man, if this is true about who they shot.....
 

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Story is changing now:

AP: Army Corps of Engineers says its contractors were not killed by police, but gunmen who fired at them were killed. More soon.
 

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Story is changing now:

AP: Army Corps of Engineers says its contractors were not killed by police, but gunmen who fired at them were killed. More soon.

Thank God.
 
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