Judge: Pledge of Allegiance Unconstitutional in Public Schools
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If the word 'god" was removed from the pledge then these people would have nothing to challenge in court. While I support the pledge, would we consider it acceptable that during the pledge a minority instead of using god ubstituted "Allah" "Mohammad" etc to suit their beliefs?
The guy challenging in court is doing it to be a pain in the ass and get his name in the paper, not because of some deep-seated love of country or concern over his non-religous beliefs.
You know MC, "In God We trust" is on all currency as well. Maybe you should just send me yours if you are that offended. Last I checked the Atheists, Muslinms ,etc dont seem to ahve a problem with money.
You know MC, "In God We trust" is on all currency as well. Maybe you should just send me yours if you are that offended. Last I checked the Atheists, Muslinms ,etc dont seem to ahve a problem with money.
"You know MC, "In God We trust" is on all currency as well. Maybe you should just send me yours if you are that offended. "
GOOD ONE
The point in question is about liberal judges making law--this will most certainly be knocked down by higher courts---
You have the district court of appeals,aclu and this Carter appointed judge trying to undo what has been traditional throughout our history--more reason to be thankful we will have chief and another justice appointed to supreme court within the year. Imagine if you had all liberals on supreme court how they could change very culture of this country despite the will of the people.The smallest minority Athiests--backed by aclu and judges could trump the majority. While we can't vote for supreme court justices--remember which party puts these wacko's in power on election day.
---and if I'm not mistaken the legislative branch of Mass made an interesting ruling today.
GOOD ONE
The point in question is about liberal judges making law--this will most certainly be knocked down by higher courts---
You have the district court of appeals,aclu and this Carter appointed judge trying to undo what has been traditional throughout our history--more reason to be thankful we will have chief and another justice appointed to supreme court within the year. Imagine if you had all liberals on supreme court how they could change very culture of this country despite the will of the people.The smallest minority Athiests--backed by aclu and judges could trump the majority. While we can't vote for supreme court justices--remember which party puts these wacko's in power on election day.
---and if I'm not mistaken the legislative branch of Mass made an interesting ruling today.
You know MC, "In God We trust" is on all currency as well. Maybe you should just send me yours if you are that offended. Last I checked the Atheists, Muslinms ,etc dont seem to ahve a problem with money.
You both need to go back and reread what I posted as I stated that I support the pledge! I was asking a question wondering how others would feel if it would be acceptable to substitute another word for god.
You both need to go back and reread what I posted as I stated that I support the pledge! I was asking a question wondering how others would feel if it would be acceptable to substitute another word for god.
"God" was only added in the 50's. Why was it added then? Was the pledge not OK before that time.
I could care less. Make us say "One nation under Bill Bellichick" and it wouldn't affect my grades or outlook on life either way.
I could care less. Make us say "One nation under Bill Bellichick" and it wouldn't affect my grades or outlook on life either way.
Thought this would be pertinent in showing secular liberal judges--aclu ect in what portion of we the people they are alligned with-
The Big Picture
This table offers a glimpse of U. S. statistics for religious and nonreligious worldviews as reported by ARIS 2001.
American Adults Religious Identification (Age 18+)
Christian Religious Groups
Catholic
24.5%
Baptist
16.3%
Christian (no denomination specified)
6.8%
Methodist/Wesleyan
6.8%
Lutheran
4.6%
Other [>1%]: Presbyterian; Pentecostal/Charismatic, Protestant, Nondenominational, Episcopalian/Anglican; Mormon/Latter-Day Saints; Churches of Christ
Other [= or >.3%]: Jehovah's Witness; Seventh-Day Adventist; Assemblies of God; Church of God; Holiness/Holy; Congregational/United Church of Christ; Church of the Nazarene
Others [smaller representations yet]: Disciples of Christ; Church of the Brethren; Mennonite; Orthodox (Eastern); Quaker; Reformed/Dutch Reform, and many more
Total Christian
76.5%
Other Religious Groups
Jewish
1.3%
Muslim/Islam
0.5%
Buddhist
0.5%
Other <.5 and >.3%: Hindu; Unitarian Universalist; Other [examples]: Pagan; Wiccan; Spiritualist; Native American; Baha'I; New Age; Sikh; Scientologist; Taoist; Deity; Druid; Eckankar; Santaria; Rastafarian
Total Other Religions
3.7%
No Religion Groups
Agnostic
0.5%
Atheist
0.4%
Not a worldview group, but rather individuals who stated: "No religion"
13.2%
Other [smaller representation groupings examples]: Humanist; Secular
Total No Religion Specified
14.1%
The Big Picture
This table offers a glimpse of U. S. statistics for religious and nonreligious worldviews as reported by ARIS 2001.
American Adults Religious Identification (Age 18+)
Christian Religious Groups
Catholic
24.5%
Baptist
16.3%
Christian (no denomination specified)
6.8%
Methodist/Wesleyan
6.8%
Lutheran
4.6%
Other [>1%]: Presbyterian; Pentecostal/Charismatic, Protestant, Nondenominational, Episcopalian/Anglican; Mormon/Latter-Day Saints; Churches of Christ
Other [= or >.3%]: Jehovah's Witness; Seventh-Day Adventist; Assemblies of God; Church of God; Holiness/Holy; Congregational/United Church of Christ; Church of the Nazarene
Others [smaller representations yet]: Disciples of Christ; Church of the Brethren; Mennonite; Orthodox (Eastern); Quaker; Reformed/Dutch Reform, and many more
Total Christian
76.5%
Other Religious Groups
Jewish
1.3%
Muslim/Islam
0.5%
Buddhist
0.5%
Other <.5 and >.3%: Hindu; Unitarian Universalist; Other [examples]: Pagan; Wiccan; Spiritualist; Native American; Baha'I; New Age; Sikh; Scientologist; Taoist; Deity; Druid; Eckankar; Santaria; Rastafarian
Total Other Religions
3.7%
No Religion Groups
Agnostic
0.5%
Atheist
0.4%
Not a worldview group, but rather individuals who stated: "No religion"
13.2%
Other [smaller representation groupings examples]: Humanist; Secular
Total No Religion Specified
14.1%
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God being a very simple man. As we have been told. I wonder if he would endorse his name on money. As for the pledge. I thought it was added after original had been used for 100 years. Anyone no why it had to be added? Was it just a feel good deal for someone. I only ask if it was not needed to start with what made it so important so many years later.
That's what I was asking too, djv. Why was it added in there anyway? Sounds like that first change went against the original intent of the pledge.
I don't think it was worth the hassle of chinging it then or the cost and hassle of battling over it agin now. I don't understand why people make a big deal either way. We could be spending this energy on something ....well...something actually physically tangible and helpful.
I don't think it was worth the hassle of chinging it then or the cost and hassle of battling over it agin now. I don't understand why people make a big deal either way. We could be spending this energy on something ....well...something actually physically tangible and helpful.
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I am a practicing Catholic, and I have no problem with "under God" being removed from the Pledge of Allegiance. Personally, I don't think it should be in there.
That being said, I also think this guy is just trying to get his name in the paper. The first time he tried this he sued "on his daughter's behalf" who I believe was around 9. I bet she came home tormented every night complaining to her dad until he just couldn't let his precious darling be subjected to the evil Christians any longer!
That being said, I also think this guy is just trying to get his name in the paper. The first time he tried this he sued "on his daughter's behalf" who I believe was around 9. I bet she came home tormented every night complaining to her dad until he just couldn't let his precious darling be subjected to the evil Christians any longer!
No she didnt becasue she didnt even live with her dad. The mom was opposed to the original suit, which finally got tossed becasue he didnt have standing. So he went out and found some parents of other students to make the same claim.
This guy is a f*cking attention whore idiot. Who cares either way, as Smurph and Dawgball allude to?
Count me in with those who feel we have more practical issues to debate, emotional issues like prayer in school, the pledge of allegiance or whether a flag is on fire are worthless pursuits.
Ask the people in New Atlantis what they give a $hit about right now.
Ask somebody standing by a gas pump watching the numbers fly by what he cares about.
Take care of the major issues that will determine the fate of this country and give up the crying in your beer routine because the lyrics were changed in some patriotic nursery rhyme.
Ask the people in New Atlantis what they give a $hit about right now.
Ask somebody standing by a gas pump watching the numbers fly by what he cares about.
Take care of the major issues that will determine the fate of this country and give up the crying in your beer routine because the lyrics were changed in some patriotic nursery rhyme.
