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Just how bad has Schroeder fcked up--is it possible they get their 1st woman leader???
Chirac looking at same fate in next election.
Quite interesting considering by listening to their liberal media reporting you'd think their entire population was against U.S. policy.Would be interesting if "The Three Amigos" Kerry-Schoroder and Chirac all met same fate.

German Candidates Break Election Tradition
Sep 17 10:31 AM US/Eastern


By DAVID RISING
Associated Press Writer


BERLIN


Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and his conservative challenger both broke with long tradition against campaigning on election eve Saturday, heading to Germany's most populous state to stump for support in what has become a tight national vote.

Amid polls showing some 25 percent of voters still undecided, Schroeder and Angela Merkel were in North Rhine-Westphalia to push their competing visions.

Schroeder touched on all of his major themes in a 20-minute speech to 10,000 people in Recklinghausen, highlighting his opposition to the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq and the development of closer ties with France and Russia as foreign policy triumphs.

Merkel likely would move Germany back closer to the United States, its longtime security partner from the Cold War.

His voice harsh from the campaign trail, Schroeder defended his limited tax cuts and trims in long-term jobless benefits while criticizing Merkel's proposals to streamline the tax system, make it easier for small companies to fire people and loosen the rigid labor market.

He urged supporters of his left-of-center Social Democratic Party to bring out any undecided voters they know.

"Think about bringing grandma and grandpa with you _ but only if they're going to vote for the SPD," he said.

In Bonn, Merkel, leader of the Christian Democrats, pushed her plans to create jobs and accelerate economic reforms, emphasizing that the Social Democrats' rule has seen the number of jobless rise above 5 million for the first time since World War II. The unemployment rate for Europe's largest economy is now 11.4 percent.

Germany's economy grew a sluggish 1.6 percent last year after three years of almost no growth, which has been a drag on all of Europe.
 

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hopefully,schroeder gets the hook....and soon after,maybe chirac gets the same.....actually,a worse fate for chirac would suit me just fine....

i`ve been hanging back around here...so,i`m do for a rant....

you know,if you stop listening to the media....and do a little hard thinking...you realize all isn`t lost.....it`s nowhere near as grim as the media would lead the sheep to believe....

the hysteria surrounding non-news (like flushed korans and the cindy sheehan carnival)......

the public is just inundated by the leftwing mainstream media...i guess they`re not worried about being gassed or nuked or terrorists killing thousands of americans abroad. ....nobody appreciates that the brave 2,000 americans lost in iraq were responsible for killing tens of thousands of deadly terrorists and insurgents....

american soldiers alone were the catalysts for a reform government in the most dangerous region of the arab world, that also alone offers the only chance to end the old non-choice between dictators or theocrats.....

two-thirds of al qaeda are scattered....or bogged down in iraq...bin laden's popularity is waning...he can`t come out of hiding and resorts to issuing stale videos. ...

we`ve hopefully seen the end of libyan and pakistani nuclear trafficking, of syrians in lebanon, or of unquestioned dictatorship in egypt......


we`ve,as of today,seen the successful prevention of another 9/11....and that seems to have unbelievably prompted a sense of laxity in the american public, which apparently detects no evidence of a dangerous war that still threatens our very existence at home.......

mistakes were made in Iraq; but given earlier long (and still ongoing) postwar presences in germany, japan, italy, the balkans, and korea, you`d think that americans might have been able to appreciate that we have been in iraq for far less time, and had lost far fewer troops than in past conflicts (except, of course, in the air campaign against milosevic).........instead, ww II is mentioned as the benchmark of our "quagmire," since from pearl harbor to nagasaki is no longer a span than september 11 to the present...lol.... as if 2,000 lost is comparable to 400,000 americans or 50 million worldwide and the near destruction of the european continent.....

as we said,believe it or not,anti-americanism is on the wane.....winess schroeder and the subsequent demise of chirac...

if the trends of the last month — more iraqi participation, constitutional discussions, fewer attacks on americans, iraqi predictions of fewer u.s. troops needed — hold steady, then,hopefully,despite the anti-american media, the public will grudgingly restore their support, the middle east really will be forever altered, and the anti-war left will retreat to lick its wounds.

at least,that`s what i hope for...

but,the media will never report these facts.....and that is why this country will never be as great as it once was...because we fight enemies from afar...and from within....

btw...it`s beginning to look like the last little media tidbit to embarrass the president may be outted as a dan rather-style bogus report.....surprisingly enough,the bbc outted this one...

""....Did Reuters fake that photograph of George Bush writing a memo asking for a “bathroom break?” the BBC thinks so, after locating a sample of Bush’s handwriting.""

lol
 
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I really enjoy what you 2 offer as far as info. But I think you only descredit yourselves when constantly attacking this mythical media enemy. If you have a problem with the media, then you have a problem with capitalism IMO.

As for Europe ...well, I'm not ever going to expect hundreds of millions of free-thinking people to fall in line with my point of view. It's not worth the frustration of dwelling over their policies, leaders, etc. They have their own agendas and I would never expect those to be the same as ours.

Weasel - I hope you didn't follow me on the Idaho bet. Wow, Saul sucked bigtime on his main bets this week. He's definitely on the hot seat again.
 

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"But I think you only descredit yourselves when constantly attacking this mythical media enemy"

60 minutes-Newsweek-NYT---MYTHICAL?

The only diff between their coverage and Al Jazeera--is they are forced to acknowledge biased/errors.

However due to Al-Jazeera "non" retractions the Muslim world only see the initial tainted media from U.S. and NOT the corrections.
 

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2 down Chirac next---forget liberal media propaganda and polls---
--We The People speak once again



Germans vote with Schroeder tipped to make way for woman chancellor
2 hours, 53 minutes ago
BERLIN (AFP) - Germans have voted in close-fought early elections expected to make Angela Merkel the country's first woman chancellor and the first from the former East Germany.

---and in regards people speaking---

KABUL (AFP) - Millions of Afghans have voted for their first parliament in more than 30 years, streaming to polling stations in mosques and schools and defying last-ditch attempts by Taliban rebels to derail the election.

Nine people were killed as voting got underway on Sunday, including a French soldier and an Afghan civilian, while rockets were fired on a UN warehouse in Kabul and two would-be suicide bombers were wounded as they tried to attack a polling centre.

As the polls closed, officials said a high proportion of the nearly 12.5 million eligible voters had cast their ballots, signaling another step on a difficult path to democracy launched after the Taliban regime fell in 2001.

Historical--wonder if any had on "Thank You GW and Troops buttons :)
 
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hopefully this will be an indication that europe will change their attitudes toward the u.s. & not view us as the enemy.
 

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DTb - come on man - I'm not saying the NYT times is mythical - I'm saying it's a mythical notion to portray them as "the enemy". It's ridiculous - unless you are against free speech and free enterprise.
 

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MrChristo said:
smurphy, come on man. Don't you know it's treason to say any kind of bad word against the King? ;)
I've never had even a negative thought about Elvis. :)
 

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smurphy said:
I've never had even a negative thought about Elvis. :)
:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

Here we go again. DTB trying to tie Afghanastan with Iraq. As I and just about every other person on this board who is against the travesty in Iraq has been saying. We support the action in Afghanastan.
 

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StevieD said:
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As I and just about every other person on this board who is against the travesty in Iraq has been saying. We support the action in Afghanastan.

:mj07: :mj07:
 

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Projections showed conservative challenger Angela Merkel struggling to hold a lead in Germany's close-fought election Sunday and falling short of a majority for a center-right coalition

Struggling? WTF is that?

Our resident communist from abroad, Mr. Christ, with all the rights given for free speech, will say that this is perfectly normal verbiage to define a challenger who is ahead in the polls. Knock yourself out and direct your frustration at DTB.

Man, where have the '60's gone
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Nosigar, show me a post where me or any of the vocal critics of Iraq were against going after Afghanastan? Here is your chance big shot. Put up or shut up.
 

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You guys have real problems if you get that upset at the wording. Just watch Fox and read other conservative news sources if you want verbage to lean your way.

That's the beauty of media in this country. You have endless choices to suit your political leanings. Just go with the ones that make you happy if you get that uptight over the others. Really does no good the be outraged and post endless articles of little consequence.
 

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Glad to hear you were for Afgan Stevie--I must assume then you will be wearing one of those Thank you GW and Troop buttons also ;)

on freedom of speech--

what if I came to your home town --put on front page that I "suspected" you to be child molestor and even used false documents to back it up--then printed instructions on how to take you out.
10 days later put retraction back page that maybe I was wrong--would you support me under freedom of speech?
 
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i thought sinatra was the king.....ooops...sorry...chairman of the board....

i`d have to put sinatra a little above elvis.....why?

do you really think elvis would have ever been "the king" with a turkey strapped to his head?

i seriously doubt it....

he did it his waaaayyy.....
 
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do you really think elvis would have ever been "the king" with a turkey strapped to his head?
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in this country ...yes.
 

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Not sure what you are talking about DTB. I have stated many times that Afghanastan was a no brainer. I think even the anorexic Olsen Twin would have attacked them if President so unless you can show me proof that I didn't support Afghanastan you can take that back too. The rest of that post is just insane. Not sure what you are getting at.
 

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Smurph --maybe it would have been wiser for me to use another example--the reference was in no way ment to reflect on you but rather show gray areas between freedom of speech and ACLU and others extreme interpretation.
 
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