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Master Capper

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I think we are all in agreement that H. Clinton is trying to put herself in the center, but another guy doing the same thins is Bill Frist. Previously, Frist was pretty much in lock step agreement with anything the Bush Administration uttered but lately he has really began to distance himself from them and now he is pushing for a bi-partisan investigation into the response to Katrina whereas Bush wants the investigation to be conducted by the White House with himself as the chief investigator according to Reuters. This is around the fourth instance in the past few months where Frist has went against the grain and I find this refreshing to see someone as intelligent as Frist to be getting away from the failed course set by Bush and striking out on his own to set a new course.
 

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I agree. Being from TN now, I like it that he is stepping out of the party's hold bit by bit. He has been very vocal against some people that have helped him get where he is. That is a very bold and dangerous move. But if it is genuine, then it is commendable.

We will see how both he and Hillary back these new-found attitudes up.

MC--Is it possible that we are starting to see politicians genuinely reacting to the public's dislike for fringe politicians on both sides? It is a nice thought, but I don't have a lot of faith.
 

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I see Frist distancing himself from the president, as it is a no lose situation. If he calls for the probe into the Katrina disaster, it makes him look good but won't happen because congress and senate won't allow anything to besmurch the president. Frist knows this so he can gain a little credibility without damaging the party.

Politics 101
 

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i support anything that has a better net result than we've endured on practically every issue the last 5 years. frist, hillary, mccain - i don't care what motives or agendas they have - if they are catalysts for improvement - wonderful!
 

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The thing is Bush cannot be considered a conservative or a liberal. Second he should not even be considered a Republican. He is a Neocon. He did use the shield of being a Republican and a conservative for awhile but people are starting to wake up to him.
 

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What is difference between conservative and Neocon--seriously.
Liberals are pretty easy to define but I'm having tough time deciding if I'm cionservative -neo-conservative or both?
 

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Conservatives are fiscally responsible. That's one difference.
 

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Dogs you are a neocon. In love with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the destruction they have brought up our country.
 

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Here DTB you make the call:


Neoconservatism is a somewhat controversial term referring to the political goals and ideology of the "new conservatives" in the United States. The "newness" refers either to being new to American conservatism (often coming from liberal or socialist backgrounds) or to being part of a "new wave" of conservative thought and political organization.

Compared to other U.S. conservatives, neoconservatives are characterized by an aggressive moralist stance on foreign policy, a lesser social conservatism, weaker dedication to a policy of minimal government, and a greater acceptance of the welfare state.

Neoconservatism is a controversial term whose meaning is widely disputed. The term is used more often by those who oppose "neoconservative" politics than those who subscribe to them; indeed, many to whom the label is applied reject it. The term is sometimes used pejoratively, especially by the self-described paleoconservatives, who oppose neoconservatism from the right. Critics of the term argue that the word is overused and lacks coherent definition. For instance, they note that many so-called neoconservatives vehemently disagree with one another on major issues.

As a rule, the term refers more to journalists, pundits, policy analysts, and institutions affiliated with the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) and with Commentary and The Weekly Standard than to more traditional conservative policy think tanks such as the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) and Heritage Foundation or periodicals such as Policy Review or National Review. The neoconservatives, often dubbed the neocons by supporters and critics alike, are credited with or blamed for influencing U.S. foreign policy, especially under the administrations of Ronald Reagan (1981?1989) and George W. Bush (2001?present). Neoconservatives have often been singled out for criticism by opponents of the 2003 invasion of Iraq, many of whom see this invasion as a neoconservative initiative.
 

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Thanks MC I thought maybe Stevie had some idea since he always uses the term--

however not sure all your description would be correct as I do not know any conservative of any type-shape or form that is remotely for welfare state.

I quess I'll just have to go on trusted reference material instead of opinion ;)---which would qualify me as both--considering they are basically oneand the same.

neocon
A noun
1 neoconservative, neocon

a conservative who subscribes to neoconservativism



ne?o?con?ser?va?tism also ne?o-con?ser?va?tism (n-kn-s?rv-tzm)
n.
An intellectual and political movement in favor of political, economic, and social conservatism that arose in opposition to the perceived liberalism of the 1960s: "The neo-conservatism of the 1980s is a replay of the New Conservatism of the 1950s, which was itself a replay of the New Era philosophy of the 1920s" Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr
 
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MC--good post. I like when someone can actually post something of value rather than the post like StevieD did.

I had formulated my own opinion of a neo-con as someone either on or close to the fringe of conservative thoughts/values. I guess it would be like an ultra-conservative. I very much take it (and I think most people who say it mean it) as a derogatory term. Does anyone think it's by chance that it sounds very similar to neo-Nazi?

Even though Cheney is a brilliant mind, I would consider him a neo-conservative. I don't know if I place Bush there.... yet. Rush Limbaugh is most certainly a neo-con by my definition.
 

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Compared to other U.S. conservatives, neoconservatives are characterized by an aggressive moralist stance on foreign policy, a lesser social conservatism, weaker dedication to a policy of minimal government, and a greater acceptance of the welfare state.

I still fall in between Neo Con and a true Con .
 

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I thought all politicians were first taught CON? At least it sure seems that way. Im not sure anymore who's what. Clinton was more Conservative then last two Bush's. Reagan could not spend enough his first term and then went tight as hell. Carter not sure if he had any idea what was happening.
 

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StevieD said:
The thing is Bush cannot be considered a conservative or a liberal. Second he should not even be considered a Republican. He is a Neocon. He did use the shield of being a Republican and a conservative for awhile but people are starting to wake up to him.

heres your "put up" now, shut up.

the above quote is not what everybody else thinks. have a nice day, stevie fonda.
 

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Spabs, who doesn't think he is a Neocon. He certainly doesn't act like one. All that spending? I dunno, I think you would be hard pressed to prove me wrong.
 
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