today's lines---no one handicapping preseason?

[Terryray]

I do well in baseball preseason, so I tried 'capping preseason NHL once and lost a little. I think last season was the first time preseason lines offered. Haven't thought about it much this season tho...

anyone trying it out there? done well in the past?




today's lines from 5 Dimes:

NHL Hockey:

Date NSS Game Side Total Money Line Team Total Over Team Total Under

Over Time and Penalties Included
Sep-23 1 NEW YORK +102
6:00 PM 2 BOSTON -132

Over Time and Penalties not Included
Sep-23 1001 NEW YORK (1ST 60 MIN) +? -150
6:00 PM 1002 BOSTON (1ST 60 MIN) -? +120


Over Time and Penalties Included
Sep-23 3 EDMONTON +116
6:00 PM 4 CALGARY -146

Over Time and Penalties not Included
Sep-23 1003 EDMONTON (1ST 60 MIN) +? -139
6:00 PM 1004 CALGARY (1ST 60 MIN) -? +109


Over Time and Penalties Included
Sep-23 5 ST. LOUIS +106
6:00 PM 6 CHICAGO -136

Over Time and Penalties not Included
Sep-23 1005 ST. LOUIS (1ST 60 MIN) +? -151
6:00 PM 1006 CHICAGO (1ST 60 MIN) -? +121


Over Time and Penalties Included
Sep-23 7 DETROIT +103
6:00 PM 8 DALLAS -133

Over Time and Penalties not Included
Sep-23 1007 DETROIT (1ST 60 MIN) +? -150
6:00 PM 1008 DALLAS (1ST 60 MIN) -? +120


Over Time and Penalties Included
Sep-23 9 PHOENIX -103
6:00 PM 10 ANAHEIM -127

Over Time and Penalties not Included
Sep-23 1009 PHOENIX (1ST 60 MIN) +? -155
6:00 PM 1010 ANAHEIM (1ST 60 MIN) -? +125


Over Time and Penalties Included
Sep-23 11 FLORIDA -105
6:00 PM 12 MINNESOTA -125

Over Time and Penalties not Included
Sep-23 1011 FLORIDA (1ST 60 MIN) +? -160
6:00 PM 1012 MINNESOTA (1ST 60 MIN) -? +130


Over Time and Penalties Included
Sep-23 13 COLUMBUS +115
6:00 PM 14 NASHVILLE -145

Over Time and Penalties not Included
Sep-23 1013 COLUMBUS (1ST 60 MIN) +? -140
6:00 PM 1014 NASHVILLE (1ST 60 MIN) -? +110


Over Time and Penalties Included
Sep-23 15 OTTAWA -110
6:00 PM 16 PITTSBURGH -120

Over Time and Penalties not Included
Sep-23 1015 OTTAWA (1ST 60 MIN) +? -185
6:00 PM 1016 PITTSBURGH (1ST 60 MIN) -? +155


Over Time and Penalties Included
Sep-23 17 SAN JOSE +108
6:00 PM 18 VANCOUVER -138

Over Time and Penalties not Included
Sep-23 1017 SAN JOSE (1ST 60 MIN) +? -143
6:00 PM 1018 VANCOUVER (1ST 60 MIN) -? +113

 

[IE]

hadn't noticed that lines had gone up, will have a look at them.

thanks

 

[IE]

The Bruins continue their exhibition schedule tonight against the Islanders at the TD Banknorth Garden at 7. Bruins fans are expected to get their first look at new defenseman Brian Leetch. No. 1 goalie Andrew Raycroft is also scheduled to play. Tomorrow, the Bruins have a rematch with the Islanders at the Verizon Center in Manchester, N.H., at 7:30 p.m.

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Early on, Bruins paying high penalty

The Bruins, like the other 29 clubs in the National Hockey League, knew the exhibition season was going to be an exercise in learning the new rules, which would include some sloppy, choppy, and, by today's standards, undisciplined play. Despite a .500 record heading into tonight's game against the Islanders at the TD Banknorth Garden, coach Mike Sullivan wants his squad to dial down the fouls.
''There were 26 penalties called [Wednesday against Pittsburgh]," said Sullivan. ''We took 15 of them. There were 23 taken in the first game [against Toronto] and we took 16 of them. So we're spending a fair amount of the game in the penalty box."

The NHL has promised a crackdown on hooking, holding, and other obstruction infractions as well as stick fouls, and, so far, the officials have called exhibition games tightly.

''We knew there was going to be an adjustment process," said Sullivan. ''I'm hopeful that we'll adjust as these games go on, as our players get more familiar with how the officials are going to call the rules. We as a coaching staff are going to continue to address the penalty situation because it's the easiest way to defeat yourself. We want to be a team that has a certain element of discipline so we don't put our team at a disadvantage. I think the teams that adjust the quickest to this new environment are going to have an advantage coming out of the gate. We want to be one of those teams."

On the other hand, Sullivan doesn't want a player repeatedly penalized to go into a shell and allow the opposition to blow by him.

''There's a fine line," said Sullivan. ''We want our guys to not be afraid to play. We're going to try to walk that line where we allow our guys to play, but at the same [time], we have to be conscious of our stick, we have to be conscious of our free hand, we have to make sure we skate and take proper angles so we don't put ourselves in the position where we're forced to take penalties.

''That's going to be a line that our team is going to try to walk every game. That's definitely one of the concerns. We don't want to paralyze our players by having them think so much about penalties that we're afraid to play."

When asked if he thought the penalties were justified in the two contests, Sullivan smiled.

''Through the course of the game, there are always some you're going to question," he said. ''I know in the Toronto game, we took 16 penalties, 12 of them I thought we deserved. Four of them are up for debate. I think that's something that will probably happen every game."

Sullivan said the bigger point is that the majority of the calls were preventable.

''The 12 we took are 12 we've been told they're going to call and we've addressed with the players and we've tried to help the players with certain techniques that allow them to defend within the confines of the rules," he said. ''Those are the penalties we have to cut down on. The other penalties, because a player is trying to be aggressive, we're going to take those penalties. Really, it's the clutching and the grabbing and all of the points of emphasis that the league has made clear to all of us, those are the ones we need to avoid."

Some players, particularly slower veterans, have to relearn aspects of the game that in previous years they were able to get away with.

''We have to figure it out here pretty quick," said Sullivan. ''We've got to find a way to cut down on the penalty situation. Players instinctively are doing certain things out there, defending when they lose the puck, and it's really a matter of breaking old habits. For a lot of guys, that's going to take time because for a lot of these guys it's instinctive."

Through two games, the shootouts (which will be used if the five-minute overtime period doesn't produce a winner) have been demonstrations only for the fans. Some purists lament the change, others believe it will add excitement to what was believed to be a moribund product. For his part, Sullivan is just taking stock.

''It's an interesting way for the league to showcase the talent."

 

[IE]

ottawa -110 looks like a very decent play

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Countdown to NHL season 12 DAYS


SENS TO ICE STRONG LINEUP

BINGHAMTON, N.Y. -- The Senators will ice a strong lineup here tonight against the Penguins because they want to put on a good show for the fans of their minor-league affiliate. Here's a look at the club's forward lines: Dany Heatley-Jason Spezza-Brandon Bochenski; Peter Schaefer-Mike Fisher-Chris Neil; Denis Hamel-Chris Kelly-Patrick Eaves; and Grant Potulny-Steve Martins-Danny Bois. The defence will look like this: Chris Phillips-Zdeno Chara; Lance Ward-Andrej Meszaros; and Christoph Schubert-Brennan Evans.

REDDEN STAYS WITH AILING MOM

Senators D Wade Redden will remain in Ottawa this weekend for personal reasons and there is no guarantee he'll be in the lineup Sunday against the Leafs, either. Redden's mother Pat, who is in town from Lloydminster, Sask., has taken ill. Club spokesman Phil Legault said coach Bryan Murray has allowed Redden to stay behind in Ottawa to be with her. Redden's father Gord was to arrive in Ottawa last night.


BINGHAMTON, N.Y. -- The battle for jobs at Senators camp is about to heat up.

After lightening their load by 20 players before hitting the road for back-to-back games vs. the Penguins starting tonight at the Broome County Arena, the Senators can get down to brass tacks in camp.

Trying to get a good look at everybody with 27 players left in camp, Senators coach Bryan Murray will insert Denis Hamel, Chris Kelly, Patrick Eaves, Steve Martins and Christoph Schubert into the lineup tonight.

"There's some players left battling here for jobs and we're going to get an opportunity to see what they can do," said Murray. "We're going to take a look at some guys and then we'll probably get down in numbers again next week. We'll find out who is going to play."

Hamel, Kelly, Eaves and Brandon Bochenski are fighting for three of four spots up front with Vaclav Varada sidelined for 4-6 weeks with a right knee injury. Schubert is up against rookie Andrej Meszaros and veteran Lance Ward for a blue-line spot.

 

[IE]

Hasek's wait over
443 days after signing with Sens, goalie will finally suit up tonight


BINGHAMTON, N.Y. -- The last time Dominik Hasek played an NHL game, Sidney Crosby was a rookie with the Rimouski Oceanic.

It was 653 days ago when the Dominator led the Red Wings to 3-2 victory in overtime vs. the L.A. Kings.

Then, poof, he was gone. Sidelined by a nasty groin injury for the remainder of the 2003-04 campaign.

Hasek and the Red Wings parted ways following the season, and on July 6, 2004, the Senators signed the free-agent goaltender.

And it's been 443 days since that splashy news conference at the Corel Centre to announce Hasek had inked a two-year deal.


Tonight -- long removed from that Dec. 8, 2003, victory and the NHL lockout -- Hasek, finally, will don a Senators uniform when they take on the Penguins in a pre-season game.

"Geez, it seems like an eternity since we announced Hasek's signing," Senators GM John Muckler said yesterday. "Remember the excitement that day? Well, I'm pretty excited about finally getting to see him. We've call been waiting a long time for this ... including Dominik. He wants to play.

"It's only his first game and it's only the pre-season so I'm not expecting him to be in mid-season form. He's not going to be a world beater right away, but I believe he's going to be strong for us. He's had some great days in practice and I think he's ready to play."

THIRTY MINUTES OF ACTION

Hasek will play 30 minutes tonight before giving way to Kelly Guard.

He'll also face the Maple Leafs at the Corel Centre on Sunday night for 30 minutes.

"I think it's about time to start playing some games. I've taken a lot of shots in practice and I'm ready to get going," said Hasek. "I feel pretty good. I'm ready to go in there and play. The game is going to be something different. I'm looking forward to competing again.

"You can work hard in practice, but it's not the same as playing in a game. I'm excited. I've had a good seven or eight practices to get ready."

Even the players are chomping at the bit about getting a chance to see Hasek in the net.

SMOLINSKI IMPRESSED

"You look at (Hasek) in practice and he's had some great days out there," said Senators centre Bryan Smolinski, who will watch tonight from the stands. I'm looking forward to seeing him in there and seeing what he can do.

"The one thing you notice in practice is how hard he works and how much he wants to stop the puck. He doesn't like to be beaten in practice."

Senators coach Bryan Murray said he just wants to make sure Hasek is ready for the regular-season opener Oct. 5 against the Leafs in Toronto.

"I get a chance to see him every day. He works hard in practice and we do a lot of shooting and I've got a pretty good handle on where he's at. From what I've seen, he's going to be able to do the job for us," said Murray.

A job he hasn't performed 77 days shy of two full years.

 

[IE]

No Crosby for Binghamton fans

BINGHAMTON, N.Y. -- There will be no sign of Sidney Crosby at the Broome County Arena tonight.

The 18-year-old phenom, who was chosen first overall by the Penguins at the June NHL draft in Ottawa, won't face the Senators until the teams face off tomorrow night in Wilkes-Barre, Pa.

"I would think we're going to get a chance to see him at some point and that's exciting," said Senators coach Bryan Murray. "I've seen the guy play and I know what he can do. I'm sure getting to see him is something exciting for our players."

In fact, the Penguins will ice a no-name lineup tonight. Mario Lemieux, Mark Recchi, Sergei Gonchar, Ziggy Palffy and John LeClair are all being left at home so they can play in front of the fans at the home of Pittsburgh's minor-league affiliate.

The only names of local interest who will dress are former Senators tough guy Andre Roy, who signed as a free agent with Pittsburgh after winning a Stanley Cup with the Lightning in 2004, and Ben Eaves, the brother of Senators prospect Patrick Eaves.

 

[Terryray]

looks good IE, many thanks! I'm stuck on dialup out here today and can't be browsing hometeam pages...

I'm gonna take Boston and Ott small (both moneyline)

tho I do remember how bad and rusty Hasek was after his last celebrated return from a long layoff.