that was some anti-war rally....

[gardenweasel]

...communists...islamists...israel-haters.... anarcho-socialist freaks..... 9/11 conspiracy-mongers, CODEPINK..... and International ANSWER(castro`s buddies)......saddam defender and communist ramsey clark comparing new orleans to fallujah........supporters of venezuelan president hugo chavez....even a former cabinet member of haiti`s deposed dictator aristede.....


lol....the sweet stench of "bush derangement syndrome" filled the air......

this is why the true anti-iraq war segment of our society will forever have trouble focusing the debate on the reasonable arguments regarding the war...

they will forever be associated with these extreme left wing radical splinter groups with wacko agenda`s that are basically not anti-war....but anti-democracy and,anti-america....

it appeared that kaffiyehs — including one draped around the neck of star speaker george galloway, the british mp — outnumbered american flags.....


they had another anti-war rally in san diego that degenerated into utter chaos...

read it and laugh...

"""""JAMAL KANJ, a fiery Palestinian from a group called Al-Awda, takes the podium. “We Palestinians,” he begins, “have been subjected to GENOCIDE at the hands of the Israelis for generations.“ He rants on. ”In 1948, they forced us out of our homes, and today we must DRIVE THE JEWS FROM PALESTINE!”

Suddenly, a middle-aged man wearing a black “F the President” T-shirt rushes the stage, screaming at Kanj, “I’m TIRED of this CRAP! You people keep bringing this up! This is supposed to be an ANTI-WAR rally, not an ANTI-ISRAEL rally!”

Kanj yells back, into the microphone. Others in the crowd stand up and join in the shouting match.

The Arab-Israeli conflict has arrived in San Diego.

Red-vested “peace monitors” converge on T-shirt Man, trying to contain this sudden outburst of dissent. They are followed closely by the San Diego Police Department, who quickly take control of the situation and lead the man away.

As T-shirt Man exits stage right, ANSWER front man Carl Muhammed enters from stage left, strutting in front of the platform and waving a large Palestinian flag. Carl and his radical Palestinian posse face down the angry Israel supporters, and the entire rally begins to descend into chaos.

In an effort to regain control of the rally, CodePink maven Barbara Jaffe-Rose takes the podium, declaring her solidarity with the Palestinian cause. “As an anti-war Jew, I support the Palestinian Right of Return, and demand the end of U.S. aid to Israel.” She attempts to lead the crowd in a cheer: “Not one penny, not one dime, U.S. out of Palestine!”""""

It flops.


makes you feel like taking a hot shower...

 

[dr. freeze]

i watched a little bit of it myself on CSPAN

i don't think i have ever seen a congregation of more unhappy, anger-filled, bitter, miserable people in my life

 

[smurphy]

it is rather odd and distasteful the way so many kooky groups come together - all trying to use iraq to further their own selfish agendas. can't a person simply hate the war without having to join the black panthers, plo, and gay liberation front at the same time?

 

[dr. freeze]

it is rather odd and distasteful the way so many kooky groups come together - all trying to use iraq to further their own selfish agendas. can't a person simply hate the war without having to join the black panthers, plo, and gay liberation front at the same time?

lol

i would think

i didn't see Pat Buchanan at the rally

for some reason i dont think he would have been a good fit

 

[LUX]

Man, you would think that the protestors could stay on one message.

You know how some people on the right always talk about the media, this quote is from a protestor and brought things full circle for me. LOL

"The lack of media coverage of this March is clear and convincing evidence that there is centralized control of the media, to a large extent, by powerful political interest groups which utelize unjust means and ends to further inherently unjust political, economic, cultural, and social ends."

 

[kosar]

"The lack of media coverage of this March is clear and convincing evidence that there is centralized control of the media, to a large extent, by powerful political interest groups which utelize unjust means and ends to further inherently unjust political, economic, cultural, and social ends."

Definitely. Sounds every bit as ridiculous coming from the left as it does from the right.

 

[smurphy]

all extreme sides think the media has a secret agenda - whether you are a gay hippie palestine lover or dtb. wish they could all wake up and realize the media is simply a free enterprise industry out for survival and profit like everyone else. i'm just thankful to be in a country where all views are welcome and can be found one way or another.

 

[djv]

It reminded me of late 60's early 70's. Started with 20000 then 50000 then 100000. Then 100000 in two or three cites same weekend. Most were sad looking hippies. Strange how they grew old. Now are congressman, businessman, own companies, doctors lawyers. In other words citizens. These folks almost look normal compared to 35 years ago.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Quote:
Originally Posted by LUX
"The lack of media coverage of this March is clear and convincing evidence that there is centralized control of the media, to a large extent, by powerful political interest groups which utelize unjust means and ends to further inherently unjust political, economic, cultural, and social ends."

How about a much more logical reason--there was major hurricane hitting--think that might of had something to do with it--


Not Enough Attention?

Cindy Sheehan (search) grumbled this weekend that cable news networks were paying more attention to Hurricane Rita than to her anti-war rally in Washington, posting a message on the liberal Web site DailyKos.com writing, "i am watching cnn and it is 100 percent rita...even though it is a little wind and a little rain...it is bad, but there are other things going on in the country today...and in the world!!!!"

That was too much even for some Daily Kos readers. One responded, "shame on you, you're jealous of media coverage of other's suffering," while another wrote, "The right-wing media has painted you as a self-centered, self-absorbed woman and you're living up to that image." Sheehan later posted an apology.

and while on media issue--NYT comes through once again---

Times Flunks Integrity Test?

Monday, September 26, 2005

By Brit Hume



Now some fresh pickings from the Political Grapevine:

The ombudsman for The New York Times says the paper "flunked" a test of journalistic integrity by refusing to correct TV columnist Alessandra Stanley's (search) accusation that Geraldo Rivera "nudged" an Air Force rescue worker out of his way in New Orleans. Byron Calame (search) says the nudge simply doesn't appear on they videotape, adding, and ?if Ms. Stanley couldn't have seen the nudge, why not publish a correction?"

What's more, Calame says executive editor Bill Keller's claim that Stanley is "justified" in assuming force in light of Rivera's reaction to the column raises "a basic question of journalistic fairness," saying, "I find it disturbing that any Times editor would come so close to implying ? almost in a tit-for-tat sense ? that Mr. Rivera's bad behavior essentially entitles the paper to rely on assumptions and refuse to correct an unsupported fact."

 

[djv]

They should have watched Anderson Cooper of CNN. He should be in real trouble. He must have helped well over 50 in a two day span. Difference not much. But CNN did not try and make a big thing out of it.

 

[Palehose]

Nah they are Liberal biased by ........well by their own polls by golly !


Los Angeles Times Survey

In 1985, the Los Angeles Times conducted one of the most extensive surveys of journalists in history. Using the same questionnaire they had used to poll the public, the Times polled 2,700 journalists at 621 newspapers across the country. The survey asked 16 questions involving foreign affairs, social and economic issues. On 15 of 16 questions, the journalists gave answers to the left of those given by the public.

KEY FINDINGS:

Self-identified liberals outnumbered conservatives in the newsroom by more than three-to-one, 55 to 17 percent. This compares to only one-fourth of the public (23 percent) that identified themselves as liberal.
84 percent of reporters and editors supported a so-called "nuclear freeze" to ban all future nuclear missile deployment; 80 percent were against increased defense spending; and 76 percent opposed aid to the Nicaraguan Contras.
82 percent of reporters and editors favored allowing women to have abortions; 81 percent backed affirmative action; and 78 percent wanted stricter gun control.
Two-thirds (67%) of journalists opposed prayer in public schools; three-fourths of the general public (74%) supported prayer in public schools.

Survey of Business Reporters

A 1988 poll by a New York-based newsletter, Journalist and Financial Reporting, surveyed 151 business reporters from over 30 publications ranging from the Los Angeles Times, Washington Post, USA Today, New York Times and Chicago Tribune to Money, Fortune and Business Week. The survey found that newspaper and magazine business reporters are just as liberal as their colleagues covering politics.



KEY FINDINGS:

54 percent identified themselves as Democrats, just 9 percent as Republicans.
76 percent reported they opposed school prayer and 75 percent were against aid to the Contras, rebels fighting the Communist-backed Nicaraguan government. An overwhelming 86 percent favored abortion.
More than half, 52 percent, evaluated President Reagan?s performance in office as ?poor? or ?below average.? Only 17 percent gave him an ?excellent? or ?good,? while 19 percent considered him ?average.?
Asked who they wished to see become President, 27 percent named liberal New York Governor Mario Cuomo (D), trailed by 20 percent for Senator Bill Bradley (D-NJ) and nine percent for Senator Paul Simon (D-Ill). Senator Bob Dole was the most ?popular? Republican, garnering a piddling eight percent.
Rev. Pat Robertson, then a GOP candidate, topped the list ? at 44 percent ? of those the reporters would ?least like to see as President,? followed by 19 percent who named the eventual winner that year, George H. W. Bush.

Journalists ? Who Are They, Really?

In 1992, Professors Weaver and Wilhoit conducted another national survey of journalists, and noticed the group had moved farther to the left. Writing in the Fall 1992 Media Studies Journal, they discovered that 47 percent of journalists now said they were ?liberal,? while only 22 percent labeled themselves as ?conservative.?

KEY FINDINGS:

44 percent of journalists identified themselves as Democrats, an increase from the early 1980s, while 16 percent tagged themselves as Republican, a decline from the earlier study.
?Compared to the overall U.S. population, journalists are 3 percent to 10 percent more likely to say they are Democrats, depending on which national survey you use as a yardstick, and 10 to 17 points less likely to say they are Republicans.?


Nearly half of the journalists surveyed (47 percent) called themselves ?liberal,? compared to 22 percent who described themselves as ?conservative.? Gallup polls taken at the same time found just 18 percent of the public considered themselves liberal, while 34 percent of the public said they were conservative.
The study authors found ?minorities are much more likely to call themselves Democrats than are white journalists, especially blacks (70 percent), Asians (63 percent) and Hispanics (59 percent).?
Women journalists (58 percent) are much more likely than men (38 percent) to prefer the Democratic Party.
More than half of journalists (51%) said abortion should be ?legal under any circumstances,? compared to just 4 percent who thought abortion should be ?illegal in all circumstances.? Among the general public, 33 percent wanted abortion ?legal under any circumstances,? and 14 percent thought it should always be illegal.


Newspaper Journalists of the ?90s

In 1996, as a follow-up to a 1988 survey, the American Society of Newspaper Editors (ASNE) surveyed 1,037 reporters at 61 newspapers of all sizes across the nation, and found that newsrooms were more ideologically unrepresentative than they had been in the late 1980s. While the percentage of journalists calling themselves ?Democrat or liberal? essentially held steady (going from 62 to 61 percent of those surveyed), the percentage saying they were ?Republican or conservative? dropped from 22 percent to just 15 percent of journalists. The ASNE report, The Newspaper Journalists of the ?90s, also revealed that bigger ? presumably more influential ? newspapers had the most liberal staffs.

KEY FINDINGS:

According to ASNE: ?In 1996 only 15 percent of the newsroom labeled itself conservative/Republican or leaning in that direction, down from 22 percent in 1988. The greatest gain is in the ?independent? column, which rose from 17 percent to 24 percent. Liberal/Democrats and those leaning that way slipped only from 62 to 61 percent.?


?Political orientation does not vary across job descriptions, except that editorial writers are more likely to be independent or conservative than staffers in the newsroom.?
?On papers of at least 50,000 circulation, 65 percent of the staffs are liberal/Democrat or leaning that way, and 12 percent are conservative/Republican or leaning that way.?
Women in the newsroom were more likely than men to identify as liberal/Democratic. Only 11 percent identified themselves as conservative or leaned that way.
Minority journalists are even more liberal/Democrat than other reporters, with a mere three percent of blacks and eight percent of Asians and Hispanics putting themselves on the right.


The Media Elite Revisited

In 1995, Stanley Rothman and Amy Black polled the news media elite ? ?reporters and editors at major national newspapers, news magazines and wire services? as part of a larger examination of nine elite groups in the U.S. The results were published in the Spring 2001 issue of The Public Interest. They found the media elite held strongly liberal views on abortion, homosexuality, and a range of economic issues. ?Despite the discrediting of centrally planned economies produced by the collapse of the Soviet Union and other Communist regimes, attitudes about government control of the economy have not changed very much since the 1980s,? the authors marveled.

KEY FINDINGS:

Nearly all of the media elite (97 percent) agreed that ?it is a woman?s right to decide whether or not to have an abortion,? and five out of six (84 percent) agreed strongly.
Three out of four journalists (73 percent) agreed that ?homosexuality is as acceptable a lifestyle as heterosexuality,? and 40 percent agreed strongly.
Seven out of ten journalists (71 percent) agreed that ?government should work to ensure that everyone has a job,? and 30 percent said they strongly agreed with that statement.
Three-fourths (75 percent) agreed that ?government should work to reduce the income gap between the rich and the poor,? and more than a third (34 percent) strongly agreed.
Relatively few journalists (39 percent) agreed that ?less government regulation of business would be good for the economy,? and just five percent strongly agreed with this sentiment.

The People and the Press: Whose Views Shape the News?

In the July/August 2001 edition of the Roper Center?s Public Perspective, Washington Post national political correspondent Thomas Edsall summarized the findings of a Kaiser Family Foundation poll of 301 ?media professionals,? 300 ?policymakers? and the 1,206 members of the public. The media professionals included ?reporters and editors from top newspapers, TV and radio networks, news services and news magazines.? The results showed that ?only a tiny fraction of the media identifies itself as either Republican (4%), or conservative (6%),? placing reporters far to the left of media consumers.

KEY FINDINGS:

Four times as many ?media professionals? told the pollsters they considered themselves ?liberal? (25%) than called themselves ?conservative? (6%). Among the general public, self-identified conservatives outnumbered liberals, 38 percent to 21 percent.


More than six times as many media professionals called themselves Democrats (27%), than said they were Republicans (just 4%). Among the general public, Democrats slightly outnumbered Republicans, 34 percent to 28 percent.
Policymakers were also found to be less liberal than journalists. According to Edsall, ?These areas of divergence between the public and the press lend themselves to conflict, both with the consumers and the makers of news, and threaten to diminish the legitimacy of American journalism.?
Edsall: ?Whether or not members of the media agree with conservative voters on any given set of questions is not at issue. The problem is the invisibility of these men and women to the national media, and, most especially, the inability of the press to represent their views in public discourse.?

 

[Palehose]

How Journalists See Journalists in 2004

In May 2004, the Pew Research Center for The People and The Press (in association with the Project for Excellence in Journalism and the Committee of Concerned Journalists) surveyed 547 journalists and media executives, including 247 at national-level media outlets. The poll was similar to ones conducted by the same group (previously known as the Times Mirror Center for the People and the Press) in 1995 and 1999. The actual polling was done by the Princeton Survey Research Associates.

KEY FINDINGS:

Five times more national journalists identify themselves as ?liberal? (34 percent) than ?conservative? (just 7 percent). In contrast, a survey of the public taken in May 2004 found 20 percent saying they were liberal, and 33 percent saying they were conservative.
The percentage of national reporters saying they are liberal has increased, from 22 percent in 1995 to 34 percent in 2004. The percentage of self-identified conservatives remains low, rising from a meager 4 percent in 1995 to a still-paltry 7 percent in 2004.


Liberals also outnumber conservatives in local newsrooms. Pew found that 23 percent of the local journalists they questioned say they are liberals, while about half as many (12 percent) call themselves conservative.
Most national journalists (55 percent) say the media are ?not critical enough? of President Bush, compared with only eight percent who believe the press has been ?too critical.? In 1995, the poll found just two percent thought journalists had given ?too much? coverage to then-President Clinton?s accomplishments, compared to 48 percent who complained of ?too little? coverage of Clinton?s achievements.
Reporters struggled to name a liberal news organization. According to Pew, ?The New York Times was most often mentioned as the national daily news organization that takes a decidedly liberal point of view, but only by 20% of the national sample.? Only two percent of reporters suggested CNN, ABC, CBS, or NPR were liberal; just one percent named NBC.
Journalists did see ideology at one outlet: ?The single news outlet that strikes most journalists as taking a particular ideological stance ? either liberal or conservative ? is Fox News Channel,? Pew reported. More than two-thirds of national journalists (69 percent) tagged FNC as a conservative news organization, followed by The Washington Times (9 percent) and The Wall Street Journal (8 percent).


Wow what a shock aye ? Imagine that ! Go figure !
You have got to be dumb as a box of rocks to believe the media isnt Liberal biased !!!!

 

[djv]

If they believe Wall Street is at only 8%. Then I would say you can't believe most all that was said.