Brown was fired? Still being payed.

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Hold on it seems FEMA is still paying Mike Brown as a consultant. What could he know to pay him for?
Maybe how to raise horses. Bush if you canned him can him. No back door deals out the front.
 

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So you have never heard of leaving someone on as a consultant after firing them ??? Hmm what kind of Jobs do you have ? We do that all time ...last thing you want to do is burn bridges when someone may have the answers you seek . Smart move by the Admin here ...if something did go wrong besides a cat 5 hurricain hitting in a bad place he would be the man that could maybe tell you what went wrong . That just makes too much sense for a liberal to figure that one out aye ?
 

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Like clockwork, Djv woke up this morning and tried to think of yet another way to pin something else on Bush. The desperate liberals do this day in and day out. Tomorrow it will be something else.

djv - It's awful funny how you are upset about Brown but you mentioned no complaints about the horribly incompetent Mayor Nagin or the La. Governor still being on the payroll. How come?

We all know it was local gov. responsibility to evacuate the city and they failed. I guess either democrats get free passes or not much is expected of them. Which is it?
 
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$160000 a year for a loser. Funny how you conservatives have become so liberal.
 

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What has become of your career djv? You call this guy a loser and you can't even spell.

Hell, you even critisized the new FEMA guy without even knowing the guy had over 30 years of experience in emergency response.

You still haven't told us why you are only critisizing Brown and not the 2 people who are DIRECTLY responsible.........The mayor and the governor who failed to evacuate their own people, both democrats.
 

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They fired Brown for a reason. Oh by the way it had to do with Mississippi also. And It seems there republicans.
 
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For the 3rd time....

The official New Orleans evacuation plan that has been in place for 50+ years calls for [LOCAL OFFICIALS to use public transportation and school buses to evacuate the citizens. THIS WAS NOT DONE!!!

Maybe you don't have your glasses on-----

Why are you critisizing Brown but not the 2 democrats who were DIRECTLY responsible for the evacuation and chaos that took place??????
 

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For the 3rd time....

The official New Orleans evacuation plan that has been in place for 50+ years calls for [LOCAL OFFICIALS to use public transportation and school buses to evacuate the citizens. THIS WAS NOT DONE!!!

Maybe you don't have your glasses on-----

Why are you critisizing Brown but not the 2 democrats who were DIRECTLY responsible for the evacuation and chaos that took place??????


Your confusing him with a Liberals worst enemy ...................... THE FACTS :mj07:
 

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"Hold on it seems FEMA is still paying Mike Brown as a consultant. What could he know to pay him for?
Maybe how to raise horses. Bush if you canned him can him. No back door deals out the front."

"$160000 a year for a loser. Funny how you conservatives have become so liberal."

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Its not that we become liberal DJV--its that we listen to fair and balanced facts and not liberal-part of the facts--and we exposed liberal accounting early in the add enough minority % and you;ll get a majority.

Unless your a bonafide liberal lemming I doubt if anyone would would consider staying on for few weeks in consulting position to discover faults in system as being hired as consultant @ $160,000 a year.Please share with us where you got this info so we can add them to the list.I did search and could find squat!--but did hear he was asked to stay on in consulting capacity for a couple weeks on hearings today.
 

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Crime pays much better than consulting--a littlefrom DJV's bible CNN---how they swept this under the rug I'll never know---

Pardons may tarnish Clinton legacy
(CNN) -- Many U.S. presidents have left a trail of controversial pardons in their wake. Former President Bill Clinton is no exception.

The 176 people who were pardoned or had prison sentences commuted by Clinton on his last day in office include: An accused tax swindler who is the former husband of a major Clinton donor; two felons who paid Clinton's brother-in-law $400,000 to lobby on their behalf; and the former president's own half-brother.

Adding fuel to the firestorm is the fact that some of the pardons bypassed the usual Justice Department procedures.

The web of close Clinton associates linked with the pardon requests extends into the successful New York senate campaign of Hillary Rodham Clinton, putting the former first lady directly in the line of fire.

The pardon of billionaire fugitive Marc Rich triggered the initial barrage of criticism, opening the door to a federal investigation.

Rich fled to Switzerland after his 1983 indictment on charges of racketeering, wire fraud, illegal oil trading with Iran and evading more than $48 million in taxes. The financier was born in Belgium but grew up in the United States.

Although Rich was out of the country, he had some powerful allies on U.S. soil. His former wife, Denise Rich, has made more than $1.3 million in political contributions to the Democratic Party since 1993, including $70,000 to Hillary Clinton's campaign and $450,000 for the Clinton presidential library in Arkansas. She wrote a letter to the president in December, pleading with him to pardon her former husband.

Rich's lawyer was former White House counsel Jack Quinn, who delivered a massive petition to Clinton seeking pardons for Rich and his partner, Pincus Green.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak also personally lobbied Clinton to pardon Rich.

The outrage following the Rich pardon prompted Clinton to defend himself in an op-ed article that appeared in the New York Times on February 18, 2001. Clinton wrote that while he waived the criminal charges against Rich and Green, the two men are still liable for any civil charge the government might bring against them.

"The suggestion that I granted the pardons because Mr. Rich's former wife, Denise, made political contributions and contributed to the Clinton library foundation is utterly false," Clinton wrote. "There was absolutely no quid pro quo. Indeed, other friends and financial supporters sought pardons in cases which, after careful consideration based on the information available to me, I determined I could not grant."

However, revelations of pardons Clinton granted to people linked to friends and supporters kept growing as the list of his 11th-hour actions was further scrutinized.

Sen. Hillary Clinton said that she herself had been unaware until the evening of February 19 that her brother, lawyer Hugh Rodham, received $400,000 to lobby for two wealthy felons.

Under pressure from his sister, Rodham said he would return the money he was rewarded after clemency was granted for Almon Glenn Brawell, who was convicted of mail fraud and perjury, and Carlos Vignali, a cocaine trafficker.

Sen. Clinton told a news conference that she was "disappointed" and "heartbroken" when she learned about the roles of her brother and husband in the commutations.

The new senator also had to deflect criticism over the disclosure that her campaign treasurer, William Cunningham III, helped obtain clemency for Robert Fain and James Manning, two tax felons from Arkansas.

Cunningham acknowledged at a news conference that he received $4,000 in legal fees to prepare Justice Department applications on behalf of Fain and Manning, restaurant operators from Little Rock. Cunningham's law partner is Harold Ickes, Clinton's former White House deputy chief of staff and an adviser to Hillary Clinton. Cunningham said that television producer Harry Thomason, a long- time Clinton friend from Arkansas, also played a role in seeking pardons for Fain and Manning.

Hillary Clinton's budding Senate career grew even more complicated after the Associated Press reported on February 23 that Manhattan U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White was expanding her probe of the Rich pardon and investigating whether Clinton commuted the sentences of four Hasidic Jews in exchange for votes for his wife.

Kalmen Stern, David Goldstein, Benjamin Berger and Jacob Elbaum were convicted of swindling more than $40 million in government money. Clinton reduced the jail terms of the men, who are members of the Hasidic New York community of New Square. The community voted overwhelmingly for Hillary Clinton on November 7.

Hillary Clinton had acknowledged earlier that she sat in on a December meeting with supporters of clemency for the four men, but said she played no part in her husband's decision to commute their sentences.

Former President Clinton's younger half-brother, Roger Clinton, has also been questioned about his involvement in the presidential pardon process.

Julia Payne, an aide to Bill Clinton, acknowledged that Roger Clinton once made a personal appeal for clemency by handing his half brother a list of "about five or six" friends and acquaintances and asking the president to consider them.

Roger Clinton denied reports that he received money to push for pardons and Payne said that none of the people on the list he gave the president were given clemency.

But Roger Clinton was more successful on another front. His half brother pardoned him for a 1985 conviction on cocaine charges.

Written by Carol Clark, CNN.com writer/editor
 

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"What has become of your career djv? You call this guy a loser and you can't even spell.

Hell, you even critisized"

You might want to check your spelling before calling out djv's, champ.

Maybe I'll ask for the 'critisize' instead of the supersize meal next time I'm at McDonald's.
 

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I'm not the one calling people losers, Champ. Thanks for staying on topic. You obvoiusly are a valuable asset to the message board. Since you are so concerned with getting involved in my shit would you like to have a one on one debate?? I'll mop the floor with you.
 

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Getting back to the topic....

DJV - for the 4th time....

Why are you critisizing Brown but not the 2 democrats who were DIRECTLY responsible for the evacuation and chaos that took place??????

Why create an entire post deicated to a topic then vanish when challenged?
 
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I guess you miss it someone fired Brown because he stunk. And after seeing him in front of a few congressman today. By the way most republicans. I see why. And as I said he did not just have problems in NOR but Mississippi to. So stop trying to put the blame in other places. Bush let him go and to keep paying this guy is bad idea. That if you look was point of this thread.
 

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For the record--

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff removed Brown from overseeing the FEMA response on Sept. 9; the director quit Sept. 12. He is still receiving his $148,000 annual salary for two more weeks as a consultant
 

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DOGS THAT BARK said:
For the record--

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff removed Brown from overseeing the FEMA response on Sept. 9; the director quit Sept. 12. He is still receiving his $148,000 annual salary for two more weeks as a consultant

That really isn't anything out of the ordinary, why does the left have an issue with this?

DTB, I think I missed your point of posting the article above? Please enlighten me.
 

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That really isn't anything out of the ordinary, why does the left have an issue with this?

DTB, I think I missed your point of posting the article above? Please enlighten me.

I guess his point was that Brown 'resigned,' and wasn't fired, but come on.

I agree that this is not a big deal at all. Pretty standard deal and i'm also glad that they held somebody accountable.
 

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Kosar, I was actually wondering about how the "Pardons may tarnish Clinton legacy" article he posted and this topic are related? Am I missing something?
 
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