Good News from the House

Master Capper

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Long overdue since we have needed new oil production refineries for the past 25 years as the existing facilities are not capable of tapping the potential production that is available. Two big issues still to overcome are: 1) where to build these new refineries since many communities will be against having one built in their towns due to large parts per millions of emissions of benzene, h2s etc..that are a direct result of the refining process. 2) While this is a good temporary step we need to again become aggresive in pursuing other alternative options such as nuke power and a vastly undertapped hydropower.







WASHINGTON - The House, by a two-vote margin, is sending the Senate legislation to encourage oil companies to open new refineries.

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Approval came Friday only after leaders of the Republican majority extended the vote by 40 minutes to buttonhole colleagues, prompting calls of "Shame, Shame" from Democrats.

The bill, passed 212-210, would streamline government permits for refineries and open federal lands including closed military bases for future refinery construction.

It also would limit the number of gasoline blends refiners must produce, eliminating many blends now designed to reduce air pollution.

But Democrats, joined by some GOP moderates, called the bill a sop to rich oil companies that would do nothing to ease energy costs that include heating bills expected to soar this winter.

President Bush welcomed the outcome. "I commend the House for passing legislation that would increase our refining capacity and help address the cost of gasoline, diesel fuels and jet fuels," he said in a statement.

It looked as if the bill was headed to defeat, two votes shy of approval. Democrats called in vain for gaveling the vote closed as GOP leaders lobbied their members to switch votes and support the bill.

House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., "worked me over a little," said Rep. Bill Young, R-Fla., among the last group of lawmakers to switch to support the legislation.

Rep. Tom DeLay, R-Texas, who recently stepped down temporarily as majority leader after being indicted in Texas over a campaign finance issue, was as active as ever, putting pressure on wavering lawmakers in the crowded, noisy House chamber.

Finally, long after the vote had been scheduled to close, two Republican members switched, providing the victory. A tie would have killed the bill.

Afterward, Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of California called it all "a shameless display of the Republican culture of corruption," a theme she has used in recent days on a number of issues since DeLay's indictment.

Rep. Joe Barton (news, bio, voting record), R-Texas, said he was not aware of "any deals" being made to get the last votes. No Democrats voted for the legislation, although three initially favored it, only to change their minds after talking to Pelosi and Rep. Steny Hoyer (news, bio, voting record) of Maryland, the second-ranking Democrat.

Supporters of the measure said hurricanes Katrina and Rita made clear that the country needed more refineries, including new ones outside the Gulf region. No new refinery has been built since 1976, although large refineries have been expanded to meet growing demand.

Critics of the legislation argued that a cash-rich industry with huge profits over the past year shouldn't need government help to build refineries. They said the bill would allow the oil industry to avoid environmental regulations and would lead to dirtier air.

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The bill number is H.R. 3893.
 

Master Capper

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DTB,

I don't support all the ideas of the Dems nor do I support someone running for office just because they are DEM and I think they are morons to go against this issue. My idea of a good leader is someone whom does what is in the best interest of society or Americans as a whole and thats why I cant stand the current administration but believe me each Dem that voted against this will be placed on my watch list just as the Republicans whom have blidly folllowed Bush down the wrong path are also on my list.
 

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I wouldn't have voted for this. Why does the bill have to include a reduction in blends which reduce air pollution? I can agree with opening up more land for them to build - but why do we need to streamline anything for the oil industry? They make enough money to not need government help.

Between this and the "Energy Bill" from a couple months ago, you'd get the impression that oil compaines don't make money and need government help. It's ridiculous. All this government is doing is figuring out more ways to send our money to them. It's not free enterprise and it doesn't make any sense.
 

DOGS THAT BARK

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Don't think there is any alternative to lowering prices in long term Smurph --other than more refineries and more drilling--however you did hit on point of concern in "free enterprise" I certainly don't like all the recent company buy-outs which could very well lead to monopoly.
 

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Yes there is coal. And they can bring process on as fast as it takes to build these new facilities. The shame shame part is how the congress keeps breaking it's own rules by the majority. Seems big oil stepped in to the corners of government once again and pulled the strings. Sad when the conservatives have to treat there own as old meat. When are the thinkers of the future ever going to be listen to. Is all the conservatives can keep saying is keep it old as it always has been.
 

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If we do not construct more refineries then we will continue to be held hostage due to our large consumption of oil as well as the rising demand in China and Japan. We have not constructed a new refinery here in the US in over 20 years and many of the current refineries are out of date and do not have the ability to increase production. The streamlining or incentives being given are going to be needed to seed communities so that they will allow refineries to built since many towns are in fear of the bi-products that are associated with oil production such as high rates of h2s or Benzene in the air as well as the potential for explosions. While Coal is viable alternative it also has many negatives both to the environment from mining and burning coal. We eventually will need to sink money into alternative fuel sources that are more environmentally sound such as Solar, Wind or Hydro powers that are much cheaper to produce and much more environmentally sound. Japan has become the leaders in the use of solar power as alternative fuel and it has had great results up to now. I agree that the Energy Bill that passed was a scam and the Conservatives that passed this pork laden bill should have their feet put to the fire.
 
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