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Looks like the enemy is still counting on the liberal media and followers to help em out--got news for em--won't happen in the next 3 years--They better get UBL and Jong Kim "BACK" on the liberal campaighn trail in 08----

Al Qaeda No. 2: U.S. May Run From Iraq

Wednesday, October 12, 2005



WASHINGTON ? In a letter to his top deputy in Iraq, Al Qaeda's No. 2 leader said the United States "ran and left their agents" in Vietnam and the jihadists must have a plan ready to fill the void if the Americans suddenly leave Iraq.

"Things may develop faster than we imagine," Aymen al-Zawahiri (search) wrote in a letter to his top deputy in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (search). "The aftermath of the collapse of American power in Vietnam ? and how they ran and left their agents ? is noteworthy. ... We must be ready starting now."

Senior U.S. military commanders have said that Iraqi security forces are improving significantly and some U.S. forces could return home early next year. Yet skeptics have raised concerns about whether such statements simply let the insurgency know how long they must wait for the U.S. to leave.

In a letter taking up 13 typed pages in its English translation, al-Zawahiri also recommended a four-stage expansion of the war that would take the fighting to neighboring Muslim countries.

"It has always been my belief that the victory of Islam will never take place until a Muslim state is established ... in the heart of the Islamic world," al-Zawahiri wrote.

The letter laid out his long-term plan: expel the Americans from Iraq, establish an Islamic authority and take the war to Iraq's secular neighbors, including Lebanon, Jordan and Syria.

The final stage, al-Zawahiri wrote, would be a clash with Israel, which he said was established to challenge "any new Islamic entity."

The letter is dated July 9, and was acquired during U.S. operations in Iraq. It was written in Arabic and translated by the U.S. government. The Pentagon briefed reporters last week on portions of the document, but the full text was not available until Tuesday.

In a statement, the National Intelligence Director's office said the letter "has not been edited in any way" and its contents were released only after it was clear no military or intelligence operations would be compromised.

House Intelligence Chairman Peter Hoekstra (search), R-Mich., said his committee is reviewing the letter, but he cautioned "against reading too much into a single source of intelligence."

In his letter, al-Zawahiri, a Sunni Muslim, devoted significant attention to al-Zarqawi's attempts to start a civil war with the rival Shiite Muslim sect, the majority that now dominates the new Iraqi government. Ultimately, al-Zawahiri concluded that violence, particularly against Shiite mosques, only raises questions among Muslims.

"This matter won't be acceptable to the Muslim populace however much you have tried to explain it, and aversion to this will continue," he wrote.

Al-Zawahiri was also critical of the Taliban, who were toppled in the 2001 U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan while they sheltered Al Qaeda leaders, because, he said, they did not have the representation of the Afghan people. He said the Taliban ? "students" in Afghan languages ?retreated to their tribes.

"Even the devout ones took the stance of spectator," al-Zawahiri wrote.

Contrasting that, he saw fearlessness in battles waged in the Iraqi cities of Fallujah, Ramadi and Al Qaim.

At times, the letter got personal. Al-Zawahiri said he tasted the bitterness of America's brutality, noting that his "favorite wife's chest was crushed by a concrete ceiling" during an apparent U.S. attack. His daughter died of a cerebral hemorrhage.

To this day, he wrote, he did not know the location of their graves.

The letter then switches to the court of public opinion.

"More than half of this battle is taking place in the battlefield of the media," he wrote. "We are in a media battle in a race for the hearts and minds of our umma," or community of Muslims, he wrote.

The line is an apparent reference to a phrase ? "hearts and minds" ? often used by President Bush.
 

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DOGS THAT BARK said:
Looks like the enemy is still counting on the liberal media and followers to help em out--got news for em--won't happen in the next 3 years--They better get UBL and Jong Kim "BACK" on the liberal campaighn trail in 08----

You know Dogs as soon as I read that first little bit of Right Wing nonsense, I knew I needed to read no further.


UBL would not be a campaign issue, and his number 2 would not be saying shit if that dope in the whitehouse would have kept his promise during his hollywood moment with that bullhorn in the rubble in september 2001. Why can't you people see that?

Go ahead rebut me with Clinton again to offset the horrible record of GWB.

Carry on Rush
 

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No suprise here the Liberals are their only chance ...hands down no doubts about it !
 

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I see all media backing any moves we make in Afghan. There was very good reason to go there. I also can understand media's questions over Iraq. When you invade based on false info why not ask the hard question. Only the media that soft balls it is doing a disservice to the country.
 

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Funny How the enemy understands how the Libs are helping them ...Al Jazeer Understands how the Libs are helping them ... The Republicans can Understand it ....the Conservatives understand it ....... How come the Libs just dont get it ???? They probably argue with their math professor that 2+2 =5

The enemy is rooting for you Liberals !!! Be proud !!
 

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Your making your own interpretation. He's clearly NOT talking about the American people being won over by the media - He's talking about the Iraqi people and Muslims. What do you propose the media do to win them over? What can they do? Our society is about freedom of the press - are you suggesting we change that in order to try and appeal to the "umma". What sort of propoganda should we use on them?

DTB - Should we have stayed in Vietnam?
 

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I extended my time there as long as possible --to get early out of service-preferred time there over having to go back to states and shine boots and saluting every day.
--Ironically will probably be spending retirement (or at least 6 months a year)about 90 miles east of there in Nanning China or Island of Hainen.
 
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