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[Scott4USC]

By the way, CBS Sportsline has the following for the SOS of these two teams:

Texas #22
USC #30

CBS Sportsline Poll

I couldn't find how they calculate their SOS. They didn't explain it at there site. I know the NCAA calculates SOS by wins/losses which is BOGUS. Not sure how CBS does theres.

Sagarin also states that USC plays in the 5th best league in the country! Personally, I don't think Texas has the offensive firepower nor the defensive secondary to stay in the game with USC at the Rose Bowl. Texas has yet to play a team that remotely has mastered the forward pass, so the Tech game will reveal somewhat the Horn's secondaries strengths or weaknesses but it will not be a good comparison since USC stretches the field more than Tech. USC still has large question marks on their defense especially in the secondary but one has to wonder if Young has the passing ability to do the damage.

I agree. I have a feeling if Texas would play USC, they would make costly turnovers and penalties.

 

[Sun Tzu]

Just stay out. I am not interested in your opinions or you hijacking my threads. Post your own nonsense elsewhere.

 

[Master Capper]

Poor Vince is terrible - #4 passer in the nation. he didnt seem to have much trouble with OSU which is clearly superior on defense to USC. Has Texas' secondary been tested? Not really. But pretty much every so-called expert says they have 2 No 1 picks back there and either the top or second best secondary in the country. The issue in such a game will not be USC wideouts but to what extent Texas can contain Bush and White.

I cannot and will not dispute that OSU has a vastly superior defense in comparison to USC, but Young did throw two picks and should of had a third picked in that game and he was average at best through three quarters. When the game was on the line he was a solid QB and thats what matters but I do not think the Horns could afford to have two turnovers vs USC. As far as their secondary, until the yactually play a team that can pass then everyone is a question mark even if they are touted as future stars. Personally, I would love to see the Horns knock USC off, but I just cant see it happening at the Rose Bowl.

 

[Pujo21]

What's good about all of this is it'll will keep the line low on USC for some games and if they Play Texas.

You will hear the same idle babble that you heard last year about Oklahoma vs. USC.

Neither team has made yet..still games left. So let's wait and see. Although i do feel this TEXAS team is better than last years Sooner team.

If they meet and no further injuries, the line may drop on what is again another MYTHICAL BIG 12 team.

USC will crush them. You'll see. Texas won't know what the hell hit them ,just like The Sooners.

THE ROSE BOWL - 2006-- TEXAS versus University of Southern California

 

[ferdville]

Yeah, ex coaches are all genuises - take Lee Corso for instance.

 

[Scott4USC]

I cannot and will not dispute that OSU has a vastly superior defense in comparison to USC

I don't know if I would say that. Didn't Ohio St. give up 24pts to Michigan St. in first 3 quarters? Didn't Ohio St give up 456 total yards to MSU? Didn't MSU pass for 340 and rush over 100 against OSU?

Wasn't this game AT Ohio St.?

I think the USC D would hold Michigan St. to under 30 AT USC. ND needed ALL 4 quarters and a punt return to reach 31 against USC. And game was @ND. ND scored 10pts late 4th because USC D was on field literally all game. That is the USC's offense fault. I doubt ND scores in the 4th if USC O played ball control offense. Props to Weis and shame on USC.

I would NOT say OSU has a vastly superior defense in comparison to USC. Especially when USC has had to face so many potent offenses this year on the road. In addition to USC getting everyones "A" game and offenses throwing the book at USC in hopes of a potential upset. USC D played 4 road games against top 25 nationally ranked offenses. :scared

Ohio St. probably has a better defense. I can admit that. But by no means a vastly superior defense. Especially when Pete Carroll is USC's DC. Imagine how great this USC D would be without the suspensions and injuries suffered. :scared

 

[DIRTY Diapers]

Scott you're are so full of shat... If, if, if if if... That is all I hear from you. ND scored 31 pts against your trojans and should have scored more. They missed a FG, fumbled on the 20, etc... etc...

I thought USC had such great conditioning a week ago. USC not once could stop ND. In fact, USC only scored when they got the ball past the 38 yard line (except for the last play). Again, USC could NOT stop ND all day long. Get real...

 

[The Judge]

What's good about all of this is it'll will keep the line low on USC for some games and if they Play Texas.

I hope you're wrong about that because if these two teams meet in the Rose Bowl, Texas will be a money line play for me.

 

[Scott4USC]

Scott you're are so full of shat... If, if, if if if... That is all I hear from you. ND scored 31 pts against your trojans and should have scored more. They missed a FG, fumbled on the 20, etc... etc...

I thought USC had such great conditioning a week ago. USC not once could stop ND. In fact, USC only scored when they got the ball past the 38 yard line (except for the last play). Again, USC could NOT stop ND all day long. Get real...

USC D wore down because of being on the field all day. ND completely dominated TOP. That is when ND moved the ball at will, when the USC D was worn out. Before the USC D wore out, ND had to made a $hit load of 3rd downs, especially 3rd and longs. Props to ND for getting it done. But I doubt they can repeat that!

There are 3 reasons for USC D being on the field all day along with ND completing all those 3rd downs at high rate! #1 USC scored to quickly. #2 USC dropped 5 WIDE OPEN passes. #3 USC did not play well. That is ALL USC's fault. Nothing to do with ND except for #3. The USC D held ND to 2.9 yards per carry. That includes the yards ND O got on USC D when they were worn out. BTW, an NFL D would get worn out if they played that many minutes on the field. USC D was on the field for freaking 38 minutes!!!!

What kept ND in the game? How about that PUNT RETURN. Nice play for ND? WRONG! I finally watched the replay of the game last night and there were at least 2 USC guys held or blocked in the back on that punt return. ND NEVER should have scored on that punt return. But that is the way its been all year for USC. NO CALLS FROM THE REFS, especially PAC 10 refs. Go watch that punt return and you will see 2 ND players getting away with fouls. These are fouls that get called all the time, not "pusing" a player type foul you might attempt to cry about.

If USC played well for 4 quarters, USC would easily have won by double digits and more likely 17+ pts. They didn't and USC almost lost. USC easily would have scored 14 more pts if they did not drop 5 wide open passes and 2/5 were 20+ yards. The last time USC dropped that many wide open passes was against Kansas St. @KSU in year 2 of Pete Carroll.

IMO ND was fortunate USC didn't play well. Pete Carroll felt the same way in his Monday Morning QB. That is how good USC is. They can make mistakes and play average football and still beat the #9 team in the country on the road.

I am not saying ND played perfect, they made mistakes too. But the game was @ND and USC made more mistakes and refs gave ND the free punt return which was clearly BS! Although the return man for ND did an awesome job breaking tackles. Thing of beauty but he never would have made the return without those 2 ND penalties.

Also, next time you see replay of the game, why don't you look closely at the ND OL (especially the tackles) who often held USC DE's, especially USC DE #90 Frostee Rucker.

FYI, NOT MAKING ANYTHING UP IN THIS POST! EVERYTHING I STATED HAPPENED IN THE GAME!

If USC played ND again @ND, i would prob. make USC a huge play at -10. I honestly think USC is 20pts better than ND. But that is my opinion. Like I said before the game. I thought USC would win by double digits or get upset. Well they were as close as you could get to being upset.

Lastly, the PF they called on USC when USC stopped ND on their own 10 was BS as well. USC came up with the ball under the pile. WTF were these refs thinking or looking at? Then call a PF on USC when camera clearly showed at least 2 ND players pushing? That gave ND ball back, took away great USC field position, and put the USC D on the field even more! :cursin:

BTW I really am starting to hate these Pac 10 refs.

 

[Scott4USC]

I hope you're wrong about that because if these two teams meet in the Rose Bowl, Texas will be a money line play for me.

I think TEXAS ML over USC this Sat. would be a great bet. Texas ML over USC in Jan. might be a scary bet! :scared

 

[DIRTY Diapers]

USC D wore down because of being on the field all day. ND completely dominated TOP. That is when ND moved the ball at will, when the USC D was worn out. Before the USC D wore out, ND had to made a $hit load of 3rd downs, especially 3rd and longs. Props to ND for getting it done. But I doubt they can repeat that!

There are 3 reasons for USC D being on the field all day along with ND completing all those 3rd downs at high rate! #1 USC scored to quickly. #2 USC dropped 5 WIDE OPEN passes. #3 USC did not play well. That is ALL USC's fault. Nothing to do with ND except for #3. The USC D held ND to 2.9 yards per carry. That includes the yards ND O got on USC D when they were worn out. BTW, an NFL D would get worn out if they played that many minutes on the field. USC D was on the field for freaking 38 minutes!!!!

What kept ND in the game? How about that PUNT RETURN. Nice play for ND? WRONG! I finally watched the replay of the game last night and there were at least 2 USC guys held or blocked in the back on that punt return. ND NEVER should have scored on that punt return. But that is the way its been all year for USC. NO CALLS FROM THE REFS, especially PAC 10 refs. Go watch that punt return and you will see 2 ND players getting away with fouls. These are fouls that get called all the time, not "pusing" a player type foul you might attempt to cry about.

If USC played well for 4 quarters, USC would easily have won by double digits and more likely 17+ pts. They didn't and USC almost lost. USC easily would have scored 14 more pts if they did not drop 5 wide open passes and 2/5 were 20+ yards. The last time USC dropped that many wide open passes was against Kansas St. @KSU in year 2 of Pete Carroll.

IMO ND was fortunate USC didn't play well. Pete Carroll felt the same way in his Monday Morning QB. That is how good USC is. They can make mistakes and play average football and still beat the #9 team in the country on the road.

I am not saying ND played perfect, they made mistakes too. But the game was @ND and USC made more mistakes and refs gave ND the free punt return which was clearly BS! Although the return man for ND did an awesome job breaking tackles. Thing of beauty but he never would have made the return without those 2 ND penalties.

Also, next time you see replay of the game, why don't you look closely at the ND OL (especially the tackles) who often held USC DE's, especially USC DE #90 Frostee Rucker.

FYI, NOT MAKING ANYTHING UP IN THIS POST! EVERYTHING I STATED HAPPENED IN THE GAME!

If USC played ND again @ND, i would prob. make USC a huge play at -10. I honestly think USC is 20pts better than ND. But that is my opinion. Like I said before the game. I thought USC would win by double digits or get upset. Well they were as close as you could get to being upset.

Lastly, the PF they called on USC when USC stopped ND on their own 10 was BS as well. USC came up with the ball under the pile. WTF were these refs thinking or looking at? Then call a PF on USC when camera clearly showed at least 2 ND players pushing? That gave ND ball back, took away great USC field position, and put the USC D on the field even more! :cursin:

BTW I really am starting to hate these Pac 10 refs.

:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:



You're so biased it is not even funny. Where are the blocks in the back??? Give me a freakin' break. You can make an argument there is a HOLD on every play.

What about the phantom personal fould on NDs C. Frome which would have made it third and long instead of 1st and goal. This gave USC at TD they didn't deserve. You seem to point out the breaks ND got but not USC - Interesting. USC corners are terrible, I don't know if they werre trying to make out with ND's receivers or try and guard them. There should have been about 4 more interference calls.

Did ND even punt in that game? They couldn't stop ND in the first half or the second half. ND had more YARDS, 1st downs, and TOP... You're completely delusional. God - Drop passes!!! HA HA - Stovall dropped at least three first downs, Quinn overthrew A. Swhapp for a first down that would have put the game away... IF IF IF IF IF IF IF

We can all play this game. If you think USC on any day would beat ND by 17 you know NOTHING about football. ND is 4-0 on the road and 0-2 at home. Who cares were the game was played at.

The only REASON USC won the game is because of REGGIE BUSH - HE had three long runs for TDS... THAT is IT!!! USC got shut down. L. WHITE got SHUT down... P. Turner got SHUT DOWN... D. Jarret got SHUT down (except for the last play.... D. Byrd had one BIG play that's it.

USC also got away with about 5 holding calls on V. Abiamiari - trust me go watch the tapes. See we can all do this... LOL.

I'm done - USC couldn't stop ND all day long... If they played next week they still couldn't stop ND. NO why - Their secondary is horrible, especially #18. ND carved through that defense like a thanksgiving dinner.

 

[DIRTY Diapers]

USC ND

FIRST DOWNS................... 20 28
RUSHES-YARDS (NET)............ 31-175 52-153
PASSING YDS (NET)............. 301 264
Passes Att-Comp-Int........... 33-17-2 35-19-1
TOTAL OFFENSE PLAYS-YARDS..... 64-476 87-417
Fumble Returns-Yards.......... 0-0 0-0
Punt Returns-Yards............ 3-13 4-87
Kickoff Returns-Yards......... 5-88 4-39
Interception Returns-Yards.... 1-14 2-13
Punts (Number-Avg)............ 6-45.8 5-39.8
Fumbles-Lost.................. 0-0 2-1
Penalties-Yards............... 9-98 6-62
Possession Time............... 21:20 38:40
Third-Down Conversions........ 5 of 13 10 of 19
Fourth-Down Conversions....... 2 of 2 1 of 1
Red-Zone Scores-Chances....... 3-4 3-4
Sacks By: Number-Yards........ 3-20 2-16

 

[Sun Tzu]

A real surprise, Scott hijacking a thread. Thanks alot fellas.

 

[DIRTY Diapers]

You're starting to hate the pac10 refs the ones that gave USC a victory at the end :mj07: Let's replay the final 7 seconds.

(1.) They could have called Bush for the push in the back.

(2.) They spotted the ball about two yards closer to the goal line then were it should have been.

(3.) They could of flagged the coaches for a personal foul for trying to call a time out they didn't have.

(4.) Lasty, they were way out of the coaches box which could have resulted in an infraction or delay of game.

(5.) Carroll is a puss... He didn't want instant replay because he knew there was PAC 10 officials.

(6.) They put 7 seconds back on the time clock even though Lienart fumbled the ball forward which should have ran the time out.

I said the refs called a fair game, but if you want to twist the facts we can go back an forth all day.

You better get on your knees and thank god there were PAC 10 refs or your team would not be playing for a national championship this year...

 

[DIRTY Diapers]

Sorry Sun Tzu but I couldn't let this crap go...

 

[Scott4USC]

DIRTY Diapers

I said ND didn't play a perfect game. Never even implied it. They made mistakes along with USC. ND had turnovers etc. They didn't play flawless.

I have the game tape. I can watch it again and pin point the penalties on ND's punt return. Give you players #'s and the time/q. That punt return resulted in 7pts for ND and a 7pt lead. I can pinpoint every example I gave. ND got more breaks than USC. Take the ND TE running for TD. USC knocked it out of his hands, something USC focuses on in practices. Take USC INT at ND 10 yard line. The ND DB was ramming into USC WR #2 Smith and ball went up in air and ND was lucky to be in right place right time. I think it was USA Today or LA Times had a real nice picture of that play. The ball had not arrived and ND player was right into the USC WR. These are the breaks ND had all game. These 2 I mentioned above prob. resulted in a 14pt swing in ND's favor. Now the USC INT is football and happens. Leinart shouldn't have made that throw. However, ND punt return which gave ND 7pts NEVER should have been allowed. That was BULL$hit and gave ND huge advantage.

Funny you mentioned USC DB's with PI's. USC DB Walker was flagged on a PI where the ND player was pushing on him.

As for the final stretch that you commented on. Only mistake the refs made was putting the ball inside 1 yard line. I felt it should have been on the 1 1/2 yard line. Unless the rule is forward progress. I am not sure. NOBODY is EVER going to call a push on that play on Bush. NOBODY! Even if Bush blatantly did it.

Pac 10 refs this year have been against USC. This is a fact and the Pac 10 commissioner has said they have made wrong calls against USC. Oregon and ASU are 2 clear examples. Against ND, I think the refs let ND get away with a lot of stuff.

Pete Carroll said LAST year he was not a fan of instant replay. He said he would NEVER want it in CFB. So if someone gives him the choice of having it or not, what do you think he is going to say?

Tell me what I said that is BS? You can't name one thing! Can you find things USC got breaks on or got away with? Sure! I said they did.

When a team (USC) plays on road, against rival, who is ranked #9 in country, and has had 2 weeks to prepare, you SHOULD lose and prob. get blown out when you drop 5 wide open passes, opposing team gets a punt return (that never should have happened), and 2 turnovers, bad breaks, ND completing high rate of 3rd downs, AND USC D on field for 38 minutes! AT home a team "might" be able to overcome it. A road team in that situation NEVER should have been within striking distance. That is how good USC is and if USC played their game, USC would have easily won by double digits. No doubt in my mind. You prob. have different opinion and that is cool. ND is lucky to have played USC in Oct. and not late November.

If it means anything, I think ND has a damn good team this year. Especially on offense. Weis is great HC and awesome OC. Wish USC had an OC of his caliber. I think ND will contend for NC next season and I'll be rooting for ND to win every game this season and next season except against USC. I want USC/ND to decide National Championships, but I don't want ND to win NC's. If that makes any sense. Good luck to your team. You should be proud of them. ND is back and that is good for CFB!

 

[Sun Tzu]

Let me try again......


Hey Scotty post it elsewhere!