Bush about to reach another mile stone 2000 dead. All based on a lie. It's one thing to fight like in Afghan. It's a sad the B S we were sold on Iraq. And Bush still believes any lies handed to him. He better change religions.
Britt Hume Forgot to Mention.
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Still waiting--2 posts and still not answered question? What did Bill Clinton do to reduce the deficit? I can see 2 things--he raised taxes and cut defence spending.
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next--Kosovo and other foreign policy
Foreign Policy
Foreign policy is the major responsibility of a U.S. President. It is the major policy on which the president should be judged. From Somalia to Kosovo, Clinton's foreign policy never accomplished its objectives and resulted in deaths of many innocent people:
Somalia: In a humanitarian mission, U.S. forces killed tens of Somali, including two children shot when they climbed upon jeeps. The U.S. military suffered many deaths. On October 3, 1993 Somali ambushed elite units of the US Army's Rangers and Delta Force and left eighteen Americans dead and eighty-four wounded. No objectives accomplished.
Sudan: Despite no substantiated evidence that it manufactured anything but pharmaceuticals, the U.S. military destroyed the only pharmaceutical factory in the impoverished country.
Iraq: Humanitarian organizations estimate that continuous sanctions have been responsible for deaths of ~1,000,000 Iraqis. According to Baghdad, U.S. and British air strikes on an almost daily basis over the past two years have caused deaths of 323 Iraqis and more than 950 wounded. No U.S. pilots have been harmed. In his last days in office, for an inconceivable reason, Clinton ordered an air strike on Iraq. Witnesses said six were killed and three wounded in a raid in which missiles hit a cattle feed depot run by the agriculture ministry and damaged a nearby house. The bombings had no clear objectives and had no measurable accomplishments.
Kosovo: NATO bombings destroyed much of Yugoslavia's infrastructure and caused the deaths of hundreds of Serb and Kosovar people. One missile hit Yugoslavia's TV headquarters and killed 16 employees. Kosovo is technically ruled by a UN authority and its ethnic problems are not entirely resolved.
Russia: Clinton's support of Yeltsin contributed to Russia's impoverishment.
Mid-East: Seven years of Clinton mediation resulted in war and violence rather then peace.
Latin America: Violence and insurrection continue in Columbia, Peru and Ecuador. Ex-president Carter's last minute compromise with Hatian officiials prevented a Clinton invasion of Haiti. Mexico still delivers drugs to the United States. No well-defined Latin American policies in all of Clinton's years.
Africa: Continuous turmoil throughout Africa during the 90's decade without Clinton initiating policies to ameliorate the severe conditions.
Asia: Clinton had active and beneficial policies with China, the two Koreas and Vietnam.
Europe: Clinton managed good relations with the European nations, especially Great Britain. He had partial success in resolving the conflict in Northern Ireland.
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next--Kosovo and other foreign policy
Foreign Policy
Foreign policy is the major responsibility of a U.S. President. It is the major policy on which the president should be judged. From Somalia to Kosovo, Clinton's foreign policy never accomplished its objectives and resulted in deaths of many innocent people:
Somalia: In a humanitarian mission, U.S. forces killed tens of Somali, including two children shot when they climbed upon jeeps. The U.S. military suffered many deaths. On October 3, 1993 Somali ambushed elite units of the US Army's Rangers and Delta Force and left eighteen Americans dead and eighty-four wounded. No objectives accomplished.
Sudan: Despite no substantiated evidence that it manufactured anything but pharmaceuticals, the U.S. military destroyed the only pharmaceutical factory in the impoverished country.
Iraq: Humanitarian organizations estimate that continuous sanctions have been responsible for deaths of ~1,000,000 Iraqis. According to Baghdad, U.S. and British air strikes on an almost daily basis over the past two years have caused deaths of 323 Iraqis and more than 950 wounded. No U.S. pilots have been harmed. In his last days in office, for an inconceivable reason, Clinton ordered an air strike on Iraq. Witnesses said six were killed and three wounded in a raid in which missiles hit a cattle feed depot run by the agriculture ministry and damaged a nearby house. The bombings had no clear objectives and had no measurable accomplishments.
Kosovo: NATO bombings destroyed much of Yugoslavia's infrastructure and caused the deaths of hundreds of Serb and Kosovar people. One missile hit Yugoslavia's TV headquarters and killed 16 employees. Kosovo is technically ruled by a UN authority and its ethnic problems are not entirely resolved.
Russia: Clinton's support of Yeltsin contributed to Russia's impoverishment.
Mid-East: Seven years of Clinton mediation resulted in war and violence rather then peace.
Latin America: Violence and insurrection continue in Columbia, Peru and Ecuador. Ex-president Carter's last minute compromise with Hatian officiials prevented a Clinton invasion of Haiti. Mexico still delivers drugs to the United States. No well-defined Latin American policies in all of Clinton's years.
Africa: Continuous turmoil throughout Africa during the 90's decade without Clinton initiating policies to ameliorate the severe conditions.
Asia: Clinton had active and beneficial policies with China, the two Koreas and Vietnam.
Europe: Clinton managed good relations with the European nations, especially Great Britain. He had partial success in resolving the conflict in Northern Ireland.
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How does it feel to not get your questions answered DTB?
That has been your M.O the whole time you have been here. You jump into any thread that doesn't favor your dipshit president, and turn it to the president of 6 years ago.
Maybe people didn't answer your dumbass questions because they had nothing to do with the fawking thread topic?
What do you think?
That has been your M.O the whole time you have been here. You jump into any thread that doesn't favor your dipshit president, and turn it to the president of 6 years ago.
Maybe people didn't answer your dumbass questions because they had nothing to do with the fawking thread topic?
What do you think?
on the contrary Clem I think I have been as much against GW spending on Medicare and such as much as anyone
What questions would you like answered.
and I have the ultimate for you which has went unanswered for years.
If you split the U.S. in half and put dems on one side and rebs on the other each with 2 totally seperate govs independent of the other--which party would flourish without the other--and which could not exist
What questions would you like answered.
and I have the ultimate for you which has went unanswered for years.
If you split the U.S. in half and put dems on one side and rebs on the other each with 2 totally seperate govs independent of the other--which party would flourish without the other--and which could not exist
Neither would flourish since the existing factions within each party would continue to try and take the power within each party. Surely, you do not believe that the Republicans would flourish with the greed, corruption that exists within the party
Really--Tell me just "one thing" I would need/want to step over into "The Blue"
On the other hand how would you fund all your entitlement programs without corporate America? Do you think the penal system--healthcare system-and movie stars will provide enough jobs for those that-- want to work?--and who will fund these systems to begin with?
Bottom line Who would lose the bulk of assetts and who would lose bulk of liabilities.
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"the Republicans would flourish with the greed, corruption that exists within the party"
Greed?? Do I put up charitable contributions of each side ONE MORE TIME?
Don't see anyone in this admin coming in to office a pauper and leaving a millionaire--don't believe they're turning white house into bed and breakfast club for cash--haven't seen pardons for cash (yet)doubt if they steal the silverware and pics when leave office--it the genes MC-- it's in the genes
On the other hand how would you fund all your entitlement programs without corporate America? Do you think the penal system--healthcare system-and movie stars will provide enough jobs for those that-- want to work?--and who will fund these systems to begin with?
Bottom line Who would lose the bulk of assetts and who would lose bulk of liabilities.
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"the Republicans would flourish with the greed, corruption that exists within the party"
Greed?? Do I put up charitable contributions of each side ONE MORE TIME?
Don't see anyone in this admin coming in to office a pauper and leaving a millionaire--don't believe they're turning white house into bed and breakfast club for cash--haven't seen pardons for cash (yet)doubt if they steal the silverware and pics when leave office--it the genes MC-- it's in the genes
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Who will be the grunts to fight your wars for profit? Donations to charities do not make up for greed and corruption so feel free to post what you like.
DOGS THAT BARK said:
DTB - Respectively - How did I NOT answer your question? Clinton ran a blanced budget - thus turning inherited deficit into significant surplus - even managed to reduce the national debt.
Balanced budget = elimination of deficit. What did I not answer?
I'll answer yet again - he had a blanced budget - this equates to eliminating the deficit. The deficit was eliminated by blancing the budget. Deficit was turned into surplus because the budget was blanced.
What can I say - controlling spending and making sure taxes are collected is part of keeping the ledger in check. Really would think financial CONSERVATIVES would appreciate that.
How bad were taxes under Clinton? ...Really? Was anyone even close to suffering? Please, be realistic about what it takes to have a healthy budget.
Disagree with me - I'm sure you will. But don't say I didn't answer the question.
Well - I'll only address Kosovo since that's the one I mentioned. I'm sure the blanket accomplishments/failures of the overall foreign policy are mixed.DOGS THAT BARK said:
I find it very interesting that you isolate the deaths of a relative few foreigners from our actions then in light of the 26,000 - 30,000 civilians that have been killed in Iraq. To bring up a couple kids on a jeep or 100 Serbs or the Kosovo infrastructure in comparison is laughable.
Why do I see Kosovo as successful? ....Because we accomplished the objective at minimal cost, we worked within global community, and we moved on. It was essentially a multi-lateral success. It was a REALISTIC accomplishment.
Did I answer? Please let me know what part you are unsatisfied with. I'll try my best to respond.
smurphy said:
No prob because I am going to find the corrected values to these which come out a year after the budget I kn ow why do you ????? I didnt think so :mj07: Your not gonna like it either because its gonna turn your surplus into a 100,000,000 deficet that they borrowed from where else of course ......Social Security :mj07: This exactly what I mean by people being clueless about this crap your #'s are 100 % correct ...but your not thinking about the corrections to that ,that come 1 year later nor do you even understand why :mj07: you babble yet you forget we had to close the Government because that Budget didnt hash out remember when billy shut down the Government because they couldnt pay the employees ...gee forgot that part didnt ya Doh ! you ever stop to think why ??? Hell no you just go on like lemmings believing Bill did yopu some cool .....Man your a sheep !!
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Palehose said:
I'm giving you a chance to bring solid numbers to the table, instead you just bring insults an emoticons. The government sutdown was when ...1993? Maybe 1994? What does that have to do with balanced budgets 5 years later. Here are some solid numbers on social security:
http://www.ctj.org/html/debt0603.htm
Please study this site. It shows a couple important things.
1) Bush is setting records for borrowing from SS and everywhere else in order to finance his deficit spending. 32% of his budget is paid for by borrowing. ....and that's only through 2003. How much worse is it now?
2) Clinton's overall presidency had the lowest % of borrowing since Kennedy.
3) In Clinton's last 2 years, there was in fact NO BORROWING. Year 2000 saw 6% of the budget in surplus. Money was not taken from anywhere else - we were simply "in the black".
Where you and other radicals get the notion that Clinton raided SS to balance the budget is unknown to me - I'm guessing maybe your just repeating something you heard from Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity. Maybe they focused in on an early year when Clinton had inherited Bush 1's debt and 26% of the budget that year was from borrowing - and that number was STILL LESS THAN EITHER BUSH. You can't ignore his impressive overall number of 6% borrowing - especially the final 2 years of balance and surplus.
Show me some facts and numbers - or give up this argument, Palehose.
What a depressing beginning to my day. Best when I don't dive into these things. I have to remember that Bush won 2 elections because of ill-informed Chickenhawks like Palehose. ....Serenity Prayer, Saul - remember the Serenity Prayer.
---and once again just what did Clinton do to accomplish this beside raise taxes and cut defence spending?
How much did he have to spend on financing war
How much did he have to spend on 911 events
How much many billion dollars hurrucanes did he have
What deficit would he have had not the republican congress shut down Hilliaries healthcare reform which we would have been paying for in esulating manner forever? On flip side wish there was enough dems in congress to shut down GW's medicare reform which is same escalating continuous expenditure.
I have prob going into debt for short term problems but these that never end and esculate are the real back breakers.
How much did he have to spend on financing war
How much did he have to spend on 911 events
How much many billion dollars hurrucanes did he have
What deficit would he have had not the republican congress shut down Hilliaries healthcare reform which we would have been paying for in esulating manner forever? On flip side wish there was enough dems in congress to shut down GW's medicare reform which is same escalating continuous expenditure.
I have prob going into debt for short term problems but these that never end and esculate are the real back breakers.
DOGS THAT BARK said:
Well - I guess we're getting into hypothetical territory now. What would the budget have been like if the presidents, congresses, and events had all been reversed? I don't know.
I do know Clinton actually shrunk the government a bit - something the Republicans refuse to do, despite all their rhetoric.
Welfare reform (which is credited to prez and republican congress) had to be huge. I can't find the numbers offhand in terms of dollars saved, but by 2000 there were apparently 49% less welfare recipients than prior to the reform.
How much did Clinton raise taxes on the wealthy brackets? I don't know this - just curious. Did the wealthy suffer and become not wealthy anymore? Is it bad to collect a little more from those who are in terrific shape either way? If it keeps the overall economy balanced, does it make sense?
Defense cuts - well, we've been cutting bases for quite some time. I know Cheney himself voted for the very same cuts that Rove later criticized Kerry about. Which parts of the defense were cut that shouldn't have been? You tell me - I don't know.
Scoreboard has to mean something in the end. I doubt Clinton or almost ANYONE else would have been so short-sighted and unrealistic to figure that Afghanistan and Iraq would not need to be a major part of the budget beyond the first year. But that's how Bush added up the numbers. Remember when his first draft of the 2005 budget didn't even include Iraq? (or was that 2004?) He was that clueless. And his plan for cutting the deficit in half by the end of his term followed that playbook as well. I think we all know that won't be happening.
Bush is clearly unrealistic. The tax cuts were unrealistic. Almost every single element of his financial. military, and diplomatic plans are unrealistic.
It's not even about right or left at that point - it's about competence. I would gladly swap out Bush for any of at least 80% of other Republicans.
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DTB it's funny how many folks now wish some of Hillary's plan would have been put in to law. It will cost us all more to take care of all those who now will never afford insurance. With cost going up over 800 bucks a month with 1500 dollar deductable and 15 dollar per visit to a doc co-payment. Looks like a plan of 300 bucks would work for many. And insurance companies telling there clients to expect 5 to 6 % increase for 06. Would not surprise me to see health care system in our country collapse on its self soon.
"DTB it's funny how many folks now wish some of Hillary's plan would have been put in to law."
"MANY FOLKS" who are you surveying Eddies clientele????
Between GW'S Medicare and Hilliarys universal healthcare there would'nt be enough tax dollars--of course those not paying taxes would benefit the most.
Got a better scenerio--how about those wanting universal healthcare pay the taxes for it and those wanting privite insurance pay their premiums instead. Both would get what they want--except those wanting U heathcare could not foot the bill--goes back to one would flourish and one could not exist
"MANY FOLKS" who are you surveying Eddies clientele????
Between GW'S Medicare and Hilliarys universal healthcare there would'nt be enough tax dollars--of course those not paying taxes would benefit the most.
Got a better scenerio--how about those wanting universal healthcare pay the taxes for it and those wanting privite insurance pay their premiums instead. Both would get what they want--except those wanting U heathcare could not foot the bill--goes back to one would flourish and one could not exist
DTB we have over 40 million already on a national health plan. It works. If rates for everyone else are allowed to keep jumping through the roof. Who will be left to buy insurance other then top 3 or 4% of Americans. You really believe big business is going to keep chipping in. A certain amount yes. And then there going to turn to who. The government. So were headed that way. And Hillary among others just tried to warn everyone sooner then later.
smurphy said:
Never said Bush isnt spending more money that would be foolish after an event like 911 and going to war in 2 countries why you dont understand that is the real question ???
Now what did we get from Clinton out of all that ?? what ? how did our lives get better ?? we went further into hock and got absolutely nothing but 3000 dead people because of all his cuts in the DoD and the CIA , FBI , ATF ...tell me how our lives got better by all those cuts ??? Where did that Tax money go ?? We paid more and got less :cursin:
smurphy said:
Keep on believing that voting with Jesse Jackson and Lewis Ferracon and any Al Quada members in the US is helping you out moron :mj07: :mj07: :scared
