didn`t you realize that homicide bombers are people ,too

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at least that`s what radical lefties like msnbc/newsweek,the l.a. times,amnesty int`l,....

the academy awards(ugggghh)...the n.y.times....and of course npr....

would want us to understand....

""WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Lorraine Ali
Newsweek
Updated: 3:30 p.m. ET Nov. 11, 2005
Nov. 11, 2005 - """Hany Abu-Assad is nervous. In just two hours, his new film, “Paradise Now,” will premier in Tel Aviv. But there’s more to it than just opening night jitters for Abu-Assad. The director is Palestinian, the audience is Israeli, and his film is about the lives and moral struggles of two suicide bombers. “I’m trying to take deep breaths,” he laughs. “But it doesn’t seem to be helping.”



""It wouldn’t be the first time a film about terrorists, or """"freedom fighters""" (depending which side of the wall you’re on), has shown in Israel. But “Paradise Now,” a film distributed in the United States by Warner Independent Pictures, is one of the first feature films that tries to show the potential killers/martyrs as people. Childhood friends Said (Kais Nashif) and Khaled (Ali Suliman) drink tea at work, play and quarrel with siblings at home, develop crushes on women out of their league and discuss such mundane things as water filters with their mothers just hours before they’re chosen by a militant group to carry out a suicide bombing in Tel Aviv. The young men, who reside amongst the rubble, rocket fire and curfews of a Nablus refugee camp, face the most intense 48 hours of their already tough and heavy lives. Things get more complicated when Suha (Lubna Azabal) enters the picture. Her father died carrying out one of these attacks, and she’s determined to end the occupation through peaceful means. Together, the three spin the moral compass in all directions.

Just before the Tel Aviv opening on Thursday, Abu-Assad says he’s pleased with the reaction he’s received on the film. """


(i just love this part)...

"""It’s won an Amnesty International Award, a Blue Angel for best European film and is now Palestine’s official entry for the "Academy Awards" (this is only the second year Palestine has been allowed contribute to the Oscar’s foreign film competition). It opened in New York and Los Angeles two weeks ago to glowing reviews in The New York Times, and Abu-Assad was featured in interviews on NPR and in the Los Angeles Times. """

(i wish they`d done a movie on the 9/11 bombers....i know they`re just misunderstood...they mean well....if they were still around,i`m sure they`d be celebrities in hollywood)...



""But he knows his toughest audience is right there in his homeland. “There were some Palestinians who wanted to see these characters as superheroes, as almost inhuman in their great powers,” says Abu-Assad, 43, who was born in Nazareth but now lives in Holland. “There were also those—Europeans, Americans, Israelis, whomever—who wanted to see these characters as evil monsters. Again, as inhuman. But that’s not what this film is about. They are human, they have hearts, brains, lungs. They are strong and weak—and it’s in those weak moments that they are the most human.”""""

yes...the most human...when they are killing and maiming thousands of innocents....

ahhhh..kids....they "blow up" so fast....



yep.....msnbc/newsweek...and all the others.... they say....."" Suicide Bombers Are People, Too, ""....

as they promote an ugly, blatant, morally bankrupt piece of radical muslim propaganda.....

yep..., they’re people too..... psychotic people who blow themselves up to commit mass murder.....

even against there fellow muslims at benign functions like weddings...or while they worship at mosques....

and here`s another uplifting piece of news that i hadn`t been aware of....

muslims did not... i repeat... "DID NOT" commit the murders at the hotels in amman jordan...


ZARQA, Jordan, Nov. 11 - The Maktoum Mosque was crowded with worshipers for Friday Prayer as the imam sharply criticized the suicide attacks on three hotels in Amman, saying those who committed the crimes were not Muslims, no matter what they called themselves.

Afterward, on the street, people agreed that whoever committed such an act could not be a Muslim. But many meant this literally, that the attack must have been carried out by outsiders, namely Israeli agents.

“Who said it is them?” asked Ahmed al-Zawahrah, referring to claims that members of a radical Islamic group were behind the blasts. “It could be Israel.”

of course.....the israelis.....

we knew that...
 
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there is a fine line between "promoting" and "reporting". you seem to feel that reporting is the same as promoting. there is a difference. you can report this without being a radical lefty. i wouldn't read into too much as you seem to have done.
 

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It is impossible for U.S. to be defeated in Iraq militarily.Little doubt to terrorist on this issue. If they look back through history,which is what most military stratagist do-- there is only one way to defeat us and that is through our liberal element and press as in in Viet Nam.

Here is food for thought.

Do you ever wonder why, with everyone being assualted world wide by terrorist element, that the U.S. has been unscathed since 911?
What did they learn from 911."Everyone" dems and rebs united against them--and what were the consequences--not pretty for them. Since then with no more assualts on U.S. and complacency sitting in, the liberal elemnent (not the dems in general) have once again aided joined in the very same propaganda agenda terrorist are trying to project. Ask yourself--why no terrorist activity here--I know if I were them rather than unite entire U.S. against them once again I let the liberal element do my bidding.
 

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no smurph....not promoting and reporting...they are awarding and rewarding....

rationalizing.....excusing....even condoning....

they are celebrating these miscreants...

feting them...


there`s a difference...


these people that would cut your head off...in a heartbeat...

that`s why they call hollywood "lala land"..
and why the elitist liberal media...here and in europe...are utterly insane...

the elitists....untouched in their insulated little worlds...they enjoy the "cause du jour".....they love the underdog....they can do this because they don`t have to get dirty...

they like their little pets...convicted murderers..mass murderers......politically correct ones,that is....

pets...for the rich...gives them something to do at their parties and galas...

i wonder how reprehensible this stuff is to families that had loved ones incinerated at the towers?....that had someone jump a hundred stories to their death rather than be burned alive....
 

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I'm a little confused where you are directing your rage. We all hate the bombers. Are you angry at the "elitist" MSNBC because they have discussed this film? Whatever happened to the notion "know your enemy"?

Can you not see the difference between the news element of something like that and realize that it's not the same as promoting it or the acts of the people in it? Obviously - 99.something percent of this country hates terrorists.

If anything, sounds like a film like this will further enforce our hatred of terrorists and serve as a reminder to us as to what we're dealing with.
 

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c`mon smurph...they`re trying to "humanize" them....make them seem just like we are....except that they are "oppressed" by the evil west....

and except for the murder part...

the summation paragraph says it all...their intent...

""“There were also those—Europeans, Americans, Israelis, "whomever"(in other words,the great unwashed...so condescending)—who wanted to see these characters as evil monsters. Again, as inhuman. But that’s not what this film is about. They are human, they have hearts, brains, lungs. They are strong and weak—and it’s in those weak moments that they are the most human.”""""

lol....they`re the most human when they are "weak".....in other words....when they are filling containers with nails and nuts and bolts and glass and ball bearings to maim and kill civilians at a hotel...or at a wedding...or at a market place....

don`t you see that?...every child molester...every wife beater....every reprobate had moments in their life that were "human"....

but,they`re still monsters...tell their innocent victims about how human they are...

ask them and their families to understand the mayhem they wreak on innocents...`


yes...probably 99% of this country hates terrorists...

the other 1% is hollywood and the liberal media.....

unfortunately,they have a public pulpit to preach from...

the usual suspects....hollywood...amnesty international.....n.p.r....the l.a. times....the n.y. times....

the same old song...america is bad...we torture prisoners....we let dogs bark at them...take pictures of them naked....

but,mass murderers are just misunderstood....
 
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yes...probably 99% of this country hates terrorists...

the other 1% is hollywood and the liberal media.....
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dude. your sounding crazy again.
 

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enlighten me...where am i wrong?


the l.a. times?...the n.y.times?....n.p.r.?....

the motion picture academy?....amnesty int`l?...

the usual suspects,"dude"....

you just don`t want to see it....

i understand.....
 

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Your right - I don't see the media the same way as you. Guess that's just the way it shall be. .......dude.

I don't equate discussion of a film with a very charged subject matter with the promotion of actions within it.
 

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"charged" subject matter?....they`re trying to humanize the mass murderers of innocent people....

you didn`t read the summation...or,your reading comprehension is very poor...


it`s a propaganda film....to try and help us un-elitists understand....why they maim and murder us..........

embraced by the n..y. times...the l.a. times....n.p.r.....and other left-wing oraganizations like amnesty international.....

it`ll probably win an academy award....and you`ll see all the celebs.....clooney,streisand,penn,sarandon,robbins,et al......cheering them as heros....their new politically correct pets....

while the wtc victims....the pentagon victims.......the victims of the cole....the 1st wtc victims...the victims on the planes that were hi-jacked..the victims of the achille lauro.....the khobar towers....the people at the u.s. embassies in africa that were murdered...

the people in bali, indonesia....the 34 butcherd in riyadh saudi arabia.....nick berg.....

morrocco,jakarta,madrid.....amman jordan....

all molder in their graves....

and that`s just a smidgen of the over 3,000 attacks by muslim extremists....since 9/11....

"you" can understand them...fete them....excuse them...give them awards.....celebritize them....

give them a platform....

you`re an enlightened guy....

i think they`re monsters...i think that about anyone that targets innocents....

`cause..if you didn`t notice.....that`s what they do...

i`ll skip the awards...
 
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I really think you are reading too much into it aswell, gw.

I'm positive everyone here (on this board at the very least) HATES even the idea of terrorism/bombings/murder..etc. etc.

But they aren't trying to make anyone into a hero....It's a story...It tugs the emotion (as it has done yours)...
...How many movies have there been over the last 20 years "based on a true story"?...or movies about 'misunderstood' weirdos...

Regardless of the outcome (ie. people get killed...which is all bad!!..don't get me wrong!!), it has to be an interesting story...I mean how many people do you know that would sacrafice their life for a "cause"?

Put it this way....Do you honestly believe that now, once semi-sensible Muslim youths will want to go out as martyrs (sp?), 'cause now they will be idolised by Hollywood....the West....the people they are "fighting" against?? ...It makes no sense.

A propaganda film??? ...Just like Armageddon was [effectively] a propaganda film for good ol' US space program?

Dude...it's a movie....or do you think that people who watched Mrs Doubtfire suddenly became interested in cross-dressing? ;)
 

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""""“There were also those—Europeans, Americans, Israelis, "whomever"—who wanted to see these characters as"""" evil monsters"""". Again, as inhuman...... But that’s not what this film is about. They are human, they have hearts, brains, lungs. They are strong and weak—and it’s in those weak moments that they are the most human.”""""


can you guys read?....there`s an objective here....a point of view...they seek to help us understand these idiots....that murder indiscriminately...

anybody that commits random mass murder.....that literally targets civilians....us,to be exact....

i don`t want to know about their "hearts,brains and lungs" ....

i want them stopped....period...

i`m not interested in what they ate for dinner...who loves their mother...how they pray 5 times a day...i want them stopped...

and i don`t like left wing nut jobs...like those outlined above.... that try and mitigate,explain,rationalize or understand their pathology....or their heinous crimes...

i just want them stopped...not honored...

leave that to al jazeera...
 

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know your enemy. know your enemy. know your enemy.

biologically speaking - they are human beings - the "ultimate smart bomb" i have heard. no sense in denying that they are not some other life form. reality is what it is. when bush calls them "cowards" i think he is misleading us all - it makes us underestimate what we should be taking quite seriously. i see nothing wrong with knowing better what makes them tick so that we may more effectively destroy them.

AND ANYWAY - the point of all this isn't supposed to be the movie itself, but rather your notion that anyone who speaks of the movie at all is an elite liberal media socialist. i believe discussion/review of the film is inevitable and that there would be varying opinions about it.
 

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They refuse to read into it. I would if I was a Liberal and responcible for a history of making poor decisions that got millions killed . Its a liberals self defence for being responcible for giving our enemies their last rays of hope . That is why our Soldiers hate these people because they aid the enemy .
 

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i would hope you guys would have been as open minded.....if say,the plot in australia that was just stopped...had been achieved...


to breach a nuclear power facility....possibly killing countless aussies....maybe even mr c(god forbid...seriously...i`m not trying to be cute)...
that would be an utter tragedy...

the ultimate weapon,smurph?....yes....against the innocent...the civilian...weddings,hotels...markets....schools(in chechnya)...

this isn`t even just a "west vs islam" issue...

i know some of you are "self haters"...and think the evil west "deserves" having their civilians slaughtered indiscriminately(at least while republicans are in office)......

but,this stuff doesn`t explain the islamic bombers killing oodles of hindus in india....how many "hindu" suicide bombers have you read about?.....lol

last time i looked,hindus are no great ally of israel or the u.s....

how many christian indonesian homicide bombers have you read about?...zippo,the muslims are slaughtering them,too....

and in africa....and europe...the middle east...and now,there are even terror threats in china....

what is there to understand?....

it is what it is....a murder cult....

why not cut koresh,manson and jim jones some slack....

they were people,too....

but,they were pikers compared to this bunch...
 
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Countries can do stupid things out of fear sometimes. That is why it is important to understand your enemy. Not just say were going to see you soon. The problem with that is who?
 

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Palehose said:
Its a liberals self defence for being responcible for giving our enemies their last rays of hope . That is why our Soldiers hate these people because they aid the enemy .

This is the attitude/thought process that I don't understand.

You can't honestly believe that a film gives anyone validation??!!

Do you really believe more people will blow themselves (and others) up because they have 'made it' in Hollywood!! :mj07:

It's so ingrained into their psyche...culture even...a movie about it makes not one inch of difference one way or the other...it simply becomes a story...just like any other story.

The Ayatollah Khamenei (well, one of them anyway!), said, "The tree of Islam cannot grow without the blood of martyrs."

Yet somehow it's those wacky Lefty's (in Hollywood or anywhere else) fault for giving the bombers validation??

Can you imagine if the Pope came out and said the same thing (about Catholisism...is that a word??)...
...You can bet your life (sorry, maybe a poor phrase) that 0.0001% of fanatical Catholics would go out and do just that. (And of course, in real terms that's a hell of a lot of people.)

Like I said, it's become so ingrained in the culture of certain elements of fanatical Islam that it DOES give people "hero" status. Parents are proud that their child died a martyr.
They don't use the word "suicide" at all....It's all about dying FOR something...for a cause.

These 'suicide' bomber actually believe they are doing God's work...that they will go to paradise with the virgins and all that jazz...

It's not a validation...it's not an excuse...It's fact.

Quite obviously, we all see that as utterly rediculous, but it doesn't figure to change in the near future...and we sure as hell aren't going to change it by going in guns blazing, occupying their land and forcing our way of life upon them.

Anyway....I don't see how making a movie suddenly matters either way.
I really find it hard to get over that some people think it will 'help the cause', give sympathy to 'terrorism'...sorry, I find that impossible to believe.

A lot of people won't want to know about it...then don't watch it. Simple.

...for the record, I doubt very much whether I'll bother seeing it...and I can absolutely and categorically state that no-one after seeing it, will walk out of the theatre with a little flag that says, "Go terrorism". :)D...sorry...couldn't help myself!...Had a picture of Homer in my head too!! :mj07: )

PS. I'm a bit surprised no-one has made an analagy to The Passion of the Christ?
I haven't seen it, so I can't comment, but it seems to me that film offended countless God-fearing Christians...and now a year or so on, what's become of it?
The hoo-haa dies down, and no-one cares any less.....(Although admittedly, there's a fair difference between historical and current day 'stories' I guess.)
 
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"Quite obviously, we all see that as utterly rediculous, but it doesn't figure to change in the near future...and we sure as hell aren't going to change it by going in guns blazing, occupying their land and forcing our way of life upon them.""



the above comment doesn`t speak to the massacre of hindu`s in india...or the christians in malaysia....or africa....

they`re being slaughtered....in africa,it`s pretty much genocide...

i don`t think they`re "guns are blazing"....

and even though jordan is a moderate state(how dare they be friendly with the west...that`s not allowed..remember,the radicals make the rules for nation states now)...

those weddings they bombed were full of palestinians...and sunni muslims.....

you gotta break some eggs to make an omelet,eh?....

o.k.....thanks for the discussion,guys...

btw....mr c.....didn`t that nuclear reactor plot scare you a bit?....

would scare me....

thank god they were caught in time...
 

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Oh yeah, g-w!....Definately scary times.

Well, tbh, down here in little ol' Tassie we are a bit isolated (insulated even) from a lot of stuff, so from that pov, I think there's about 400, 000 of us that are a whole lot less worried about OUR safety than most of the world....

...but for me personally, I'm currently getting my hours up for a commercial pilot licence...So, yep. Slightly more concerned than most with it all!

(And not just worrying, but down-right frustrating!!!...If you guys think waiting in a baggage line for 3 hours is annoying, just try to get any paper-work done in this industry!!!! :cursin: ...2-3 months for a 'security check' clearance for instance... Hey, I appreciate the necessity of it, but it's a huge pain in the butt!)

Oh, and the weird part about the foiled 'gang' over here, was that one of them was a former tv 'star' (very loosely termed obviously!)...he was on a daily (teenagy) soap called Home and Away...

Insane!
 
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