Saturday - Sorry Penn State

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but you will not win the Big 10 this year. Taking Michigan State ML +250 as an above average play. Rarely play ML dogs this high but this line is completely off IMO. Spartans have the makeup to beat this team.

Take the points if it makes you feel more comfortable but I don't believe you will need them
 

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The collapse is all but complete.

The Michigan State Spartans started the season with a 4-0 record and looked like they might be able to challenge the likes of Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State for the Big Ten title. They had a very dangerous quarterback in Drew Stanton and a hard-hitting defense.

But after losing in overtime to Michigan, little has gone right for John L. Smith's team. They appeared to hit rock bottom in a 41-18 defeat at Minnesota in which they gave up 327 rushing yards to a Gopher team that did not have top RB Laurence Maroney (ankle).

The season has come down to this: beat Penn State in the season finale at Spartan Stadium or there will be no bowl game for Smith and his players.

That, of course, is a very difficult assignment. It will be an impossible job if players are not giving 100 percent of their ability -- and it appears there are significant questions about the effort being given by Spartans players. The "Q" word is starting to pop up in conversations with Michigan State players.

"If anybody on the team has quit, I don't want them out there," said QB Drew Stanton, who threw for 312 yards and a pair of meaningless fourth-quarter touchdowns. "I don't think that is the case at all. I think at times like this we are trying to press and do too much, just because we are trying to get back to the way we were playing at the beginning of the year. I think that is the biggest thing, people are trying to do too much."

Mistakes were the rule in the loss to the Gophers. Michigan State receivers dropped eight passes. The defense allowed Minnesota to convert 14-of-17 third-down opportunities. Missed tackles and inopportune penalties allowed the Gophers to run the ball with ease.

Smith came to the Spartans program with great hope. He is now on the verge of consecutive seasons without bowl games and that represents a significant failure for a beleaguered coaching staff.
 

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Coach has plenty to answer for, but mess isn't all his fault
Sunday, November 13, 2005
By David Mayo
The Grand Rapids Press
MINNEAPOLIS -- John L. Smith did a pretty good job at one thing Saturday, namely avoiding the words "I don't know," which got Bobby Williams fired three years ago. Instead, John L. fired off an "I certainly hope so"; an "I certainly hope not"; and an "I don't think they did," when asked whether the Spartans:

A) Still have the attitude to persevere;

B) Have closed their minds to his teachings, and;

C) Quit Saturday.

All are legitimate questions, as is MSU's program direction after a 41-18 loss to Minnesota, which differed from the debacles against Purdue and Northwestern only in that the poor MSU defenders had to be dug up from underground after this one. Who knew Gophers could stampede that way?

That program-direction question will have to wait for another day. Athletic director Ron Mason brusquely waved off an attempt to address it after the Spartans slipped to 5-5, a record which proves numbers lie, because this doesn't feel nearly as good as most .500 seasons.

Six more days, and a savage Penn State defense probably will see to it that .500 becomes a memory lost forever for these Spartans.

So the coach is under fire more today than ever after five losses in six games, his boss wasn't in the mood for questions but isn't about to fire his hand-picked guy, and any movement to make a change without Mason's approval might result in the loss of both a football coach and an iconic athletic director who might cross-check his way out the door if so aggravated.

Smith's job performance may warrant a change, though the accompanying meltdown could be substantial.

The ongoing meltdown playing out every weekend demands questioning, however.

What happened to offense?

How did this offense suddenly start producing half as many points after losing one game? Where is its resiliency?

Why haven't the kickers developed?

Why do the Spartans still commit the most self-destructive offensive penalties, which is the other reason, besides kicking, they rank ninth in Big Ten red-zone production?

Why have the receivers lost concentration so completely as to drop pass after pass?

Part of it is execution.

Part of it is the lack of certain body parts, such as heart, and spine, and brain.

And part is a coaching staff that didn't use some of those early blowouts to play games within the game and develop some of the younger players, and that might have been as susceptible as the players themselves to assuming the Spartans would churn forward despite hitting periodic potholes.

Well, that might have happened at Michigan, but those potholes have become sinkholes for Michigan State.

At both places, the Motor City Bowl is a punch line.

Today, for one, it is the last goal standing.

My senior colleague Bob Becker advocates Smith's immediate ouster. We'll agree to disagree on that; I think Smith is a pretty good coach who has done a lousy job this season, and should consider some staff changes.

More than that, Smith inherited a far more decrepit situation than the 10-2, Citrus Bowl-winning team Williams inherited after Nick Saban's final year at MSU.

The Spartans still haven't recovered completely from that debacle. This year's good start raised expectations, but this team wasn't projected to do much. The troubling part is how the offense helped fulfill that prophecy during the Big Ten season.

Can't fire Smith yet

MSU is a very good job but not necessarily a coaching magnet. And there's always the daunting specter of Michigan. No matter how one might try to convince me that both can be football powers at the same time, it's relatively simple math that Michigan high schools produce about 12 to 15 solid Division I-A recruits each year, and MSU must lure the majority of those because it can't compete with U-M's national recruiting reputation.

That isn't happening.

In that context, if three years becomes the established statute of limitations at a place with enough limitations, the pool of proven coaches who are interested in the job shrinks considerably.

Williams didn't even last the full three seasons before uttering that famous phrase, "I don't know," when asked if he had lost his team after a blowout loss at Michigan.

Smith, brought in to clean that mess and to close the gap with that very same rival, already was a relatively big-name coach who built a reputation for turning around programs at Idaho and Louisville. Abandoning a coach with a history of repairing just this kind of situation would completely scrap the gains of the last three years.

The overriding question is what those gains are.

Smith hasn't come up with any answers silly enough to get himself fired. He also hasn't come up with one for why this absurd collapse continues unstemmed.

That's all his to bear, probably all his to clean up, yet undoubtedly a legitimate source of concern as Michigan State struggles to convince people things are any better than three years ago.

I don't know.
 

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MSU fizzles again, dropping passes and missing tackles in 41-18 loss
Sunday, November 13, 2005
By Steve Grinczel
MINNEAPOLIS -- Call a chiropractor. Michigan State's back has been slammed up against the wall yet again, if not broken.

Get a hold of a hand specialist as well.

The Spartans couldn't catch footballs or Golden Gophers Saturday afternoon in the Metrodome, and their 41-18 collapse against Minnesota left them with only one more chance to become bowl-eligible.
All MSU (5-5, 2-5 Big Ten) has to do is defeat No. 6-ranked Penn State in next Saturday's 4 p.m. season finale in Spartan Stadium.

Oh yeah, the Nittany Lions will not only have had two weeks to refresh, heal and thoroughly prepare for the beleaguered Spartans, but they will also be stoked to clinch their second Big Ten championship since joining the league in 1993.

"I don't need to look at the stats, I know what happened," said MSU coach John L. Smith, pushing away a statistical summary of the game. "I don't think (the players quit). They kicked our tail.

"The only thing I can do is look in the mirror first and say, `we as coaches have to go to the field and get them better-prepared.' We still have one left and need to do everything we can to get that one."

Equipped with the nation's best rushing attack, the Gophers (7-3, 4-3) hardly needed much in the way of charity from the Spartans.

Michigan State contributed generously to their cause, nonetheless, with seven of eight dropped passes coming in the first half and numerous missed tackles.

"We got a little help because they dropped some passes early in the game, let's face it," said Minnesota coach Glen Mason. "When you have a sucker down, you don't want to give them a break. It's a momentum thing; we wanted to keep the momentum going."

The Spartans only really got a grip on things -- albeit illegally -- during the first possession of the second half when a comeback still seemed feasible.

Trailing 21-3, quarterback Drew Stanton moved Michigan State from its own 20-yard line to the Minnesota 18 in seven plays.

However, back-to-back holding penalties called on veteran guards Gordon Niebylski and Kyle Cook moved the Spartans back 20 yards. And when running back Javon Ringer couldn't avoid a 4-yard loss no matter how much he twisted and turned, the Spartans faced third-and-35 at the 45.
A miraculous conversion wasn't forthcoming, however.

"Every big play they had was the result of a missed tackle," Niebylski said. "And every time that we came off the field it was the result of a dropped pass, or a penalty or a mistake on our part. It's frustrating."

After getting the ball back, the Gophers met little resistance from MSU's attempted arm-tackles.

The final play of the drive pretty much exemplified the sorry condition the once 4-0 Spartans sunk to with their fifth loss in the last six games.

First, Michigan State was penalized for being offside. Then, cornerback Ashton Watson was called for defensive holding, which he couldn't even do well enough to stop Minnesota wideout Ernie Wheelwright from catching a 20-yard touchdown pass thrown by quarterback Bryan Cupito.

The Spartans snapped a string of six quarters without a touchdown on Stanton's 20-yard scoring pass to tight end Dwayne Holmes early in the fourth period, but consolation prizes are for losers.

Stanton completed 29 of 46 passes for 312 yards and two touchdowns, but would have had even better statistics if not for the drops

The Spartans' sloppy tackling was reflected in the Gopher's 327 rushing yards and ridiculous 14-for-17 third-down conversion rate.

With Big Ten leading rusher Laurence Maroney taking the day off because of an ankle injury, third-string Minnesota running back Amir Pinnix logged a career-high 206 yards and one touchdown on 32 carries. Starting running back Gary Russell added 85 yards on 19 rushes, but had his playing time curtailed by a head injury.

Michigan State couldn't impede Minnesota's surge from the game-opening drive. Russell, who was left uncovered in the right flat, took a swing pass 56 yards to set up his own 1-yard touchdown run

The Spartans had a chance to counter midway through the first half, but Trumaine Banks blocked Matt Haughey's 28-yard field-goal attempt. It was the third kick MSU had blocked this season.

Haughey made it 7-3 with a 31-yard field goal early in the second quarter, but Cupito answered with 7-yard, throwback touchdown to wide-open tight end Matt Spaeth. That made it 14-3 with 10:39 left in the first half and things started to spiral out of control for MSU.

On first-and-10 at the Spartan 49, wideout Terry Love got behind the Gopher secondary. However, Stanton's well-thrown pass for what would have been an easy touchdown glanced off Love's hands.

"It was a fingertip ball, but it was a very easy catch but I didn't come up with it," said Love, who dropped a pass on the next play as well. "If I caught the ball, the outcome of the game would have been a lot different."

Instead, Minnesota all but put the game away with an 18-play, 80-yard drive during which it converted on third down five times. Russell gave the Gophers a 21-3 lead with a 1-yard plunge off right tackle.

"I think it goes back to people wanting to compete and wanting to go out there and play," Stanton said. "Some people might be out there for the wrong reasons. If anybody on the team has quit I don't want them out there.

"I don't think that's the case at all. We're not making plays and it's not just one or two guys, it's everybody."
 

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MSU has to believe they are outclassed this weekend. They looked absolutely horendous last week. IMHO, they have already given up this year. PSU rolls this weekend.
 

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Have Penn State as being my top pick this Saturday.
Penn State IMO will crush them. Penn State is a senior laden team with a great defense and an offense that moves the ball well. Their secondary is one of the top in the country and they can get a rush on Stanton with their front four.
 

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I wasn't expecting my pick to be a popular one!

Certainly Penn State has had a great year and everyone can come up with several reasons why they win on Saturday. I just do not believe they will.
 

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I played this one as well.......Gonna be at the game Saturday :mj14: :mj14: . I think as bad as the Spartans have looked, they'll give Penn State all they want at Spartan Stadium.

Good Luck.
 

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nickel, sadly i'm pretty sure you're on the right side. any coach in the county except joepa, i'd agree with your moneyline play. it's certainly worth a shot. but i think joepa will keep his kids focused enough to escape with the win. i expect a game very similar to the northwestern game.
 
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