What I Knew Before the Invasion - by Bob Graham

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What I Knew Before the Invasion
By Bob Graham
Sunday, November 20, 2005

In the past week President Bush has twice attacked Democrats for being hypocrites on the Iraq war. "[M]ore than 100 Democrats in the House and Senate, who had access to the same intelligence, voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power," he said.

The president's attacks are outrageous. Yes, more than 100 Democrats voted to authorize him to take the nation to war. Most of them, though, like their Republican colleagues, did so in the legitimate belief that the president and his administration were truthful in their statements that Saddam Hussein was a gathering menace -- that if Hussein was not disarmed, the smoking gun would become a mushroom cloud.

The president has undermined trust. No longer will the members of Congress be entitled to accept his veracity. Caveat emptor has become the word. Every member of Congress is on his or her own to determine the truth.

As chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence during the tragedy of Sept. 11, 2001, and the run-up to the Iraq war, I probably had as much access to the intelligence on which the war was predicated as any other member of Congress.

I, too, presumed the president was being truthful -- until a series of events undercut that confidence.

In February 2002, after a briefing on the status of the war in Afghanistan, the commanding officer, Gen. Tommy Franks, told me the war was being compromised as specialized personnel and equipment were being shifted from Afghanistan to prepare for the war in Iraq -- a war more than a year away. Even at this early date, the White House was signaling that the threat posed by Saddam Hussein was of such urgency that it had priority over the crushing of al Qaeda.

In the early fall of 2002, a joint House-Senate intelligence inquiry committee, which I co-chaired, was in the final stages of its investigation of what happened before Sept. 11. As the unclassified final report of the inquiry documented, several failures of intelligence contributed to the tragedy. But as of October 2002, 13 months later, the administration was resisting initiating any substantial action to understand, much less fix, those problems.

At a meeting of the Senate intelligence committee on Sept. 5, 2002, CIA Director George Tenet was asked what the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) provided as the rationale for a preemptive war in Iraq. An NIE is the product of the entire intelligence community, and its most comprehensive assessment. I was stunned when Tenet said that no NIE had been requested by the White House and none had been prepared. Invoking our rarely used senatorial authority, I directed the completion of an NIE.

Tenet objected, saying that his people were too committed to other assignments to analyze Saddam Hussein's capabilities and will to use chemical, biological and possibly nuclear weapons. We insisted, and three weeks later the community produced a classified NIE.

There were troubling aspects to this 90-page document. While slanted toward the conclusion that Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction stored or produced at 550 sites, it contained vigorous dissents on key parts of the information, especially by the departments of State and Energy. Particular skepticism was raised about aluminum tubes that were offered as evidence Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear program. As to Hussein's will to use whatever weapons he might have, the estimate indicated he would not do so unless he was first attacked.

Under questioning, Tenet added that the information in the NIE had not been independently verified by an operative responsible to the United States. In fact, no such person was inside Iraq. Most of the alleged intelligence came from Iraqi exiles or third countries, all of which had an interest in the United States' removing Hussein, by force if necessary.

The American people needed to know these reservations, and I requested that an unclassified, public version of the NIE be prepared. On Oct. 4, Tenet presented a 25-page document titled "Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs." It represented an unqualified case that Hussein possessed them, avoided a discussion of whether he had the will to use them and omitted the dissenting opinions contained in the classified version. Its conclusions, such as "If Baghdad acquired sufficient weapons-grade fissile material from abroad, it could make a nuclear weapon within a year," underscored the White House's claim that exactly such material was being provided from Africa to Iraq.

From my advantaged position, I had earlier concluded that a war with Iraq would be a distraction from the successful and expeditious completion of our aims in Afghanistan. Now I had come to question whether the White House was telling the truth -- or even had an interest in knowing the truth.

On Oct. 11, I voted no on the resolution to give the president authority to go to war against Iraq. I was able to apply caveat emptor. Most of my colleagues could not.

- The writer is a former Democratic senator from Florida. He is currently a fellow at Harvard University's Institute of Politics.
 

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Pretty much as expected. They cherry-picked the info that supported their goal and ignored the rest. That might not technically be 'cooking' info, but it's pretty dishonest.

Pretty weird how Tenet resisted doing an NIE and the senators had to pull rank and make him do one. How could you not do one of these in advance of this huge undertaking that we were about engage in?

Funny how when they declassified the report, they shrunk it from 90 pages to 25 pages, leaving out dissent and opposing information. Probably would have been a little harder to get all that support from congress if Congress had all the info available.

I imagine as time goes on, more and more of this sort of info will come out and the same element will blame the media somehow.
 

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The American people Kosar have caught up and are no longer fooled. Thats why you see the attacks by the V P last two days. He out front to keep heat of Pres. V P stretches the truth much better. Or half truths. The Pres if he was smart should have got rid of Rummsfeld over a year ago. Sad when many of your soldiers had to buy there own body armor. Or rig there equipment to with stand road side bombs.
 

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djv said:
Thats why you see the attacks by the V P last two days.

I hope he keeps it up, it will only compel people like Graham to refute his lies and give us a glimpse into how the run-up to war was handled.

If Cheney hadn't accused some Dems of 'losing their backbone' and changing their mind and that everybody had the same info, then there's no way Graham would have written that.

So it's obvious (always has been, but now with proof) that everybody in congress did NOT have access to the same info.
 

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Sad when many of your soldiers had to buy there own body armor. Or rig there equipment to with stand road side bombs.

I don't agree much with you, but you are 100% correct about this. Twice now, since the Iraq war began, the Pentagon has failed to supply adequate body armor to U.S. troops fighting the most lethal attacks by insurgents. Essentially, George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld are sending the soldiers into battle with body armor vests outfitted with ceramic plates that cannot withstand certain munitions the insurgents use.
 

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funny how murtha has the nuts to get up there and bitch about things like military spending when he has been on the committee for how many years???
 

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Freeze- Does that info from Graham bother you as an American?

As far as Murtha, I didn't see where he bitched about military spending. I'm sure I could have missed it, but do you have a quote or even a fair paraphrase? I would find that odd as well, as by all accounts he is known as very pro-military spending/hawk when it comes to military issues.
 

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Lux thank you. I know I say the dampest things some time. But make no mistake when it comes to our soldiers. I want the very best for them. And a plan that gives them best chance to survive.
All American's must stand behind them. Politics can be fought over and many get piss at each other doing so. Thats OK look at our elected officials there no better at it then any of us. But they better make dam sure our soldiers are taken care of.
 

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kosar said:
Freeze- Does that info from Graham bother you as an American?

As far as Murtha, I didn't see where he bitched about military spending. I'm sure I could have missed it, but do you have a quote or even a fair paraphrase? I would find that odd as well, as by all accounts he is known as very pro-military spending/hawk when it comes to military issues.

no, not really

we all knew that Iraq was being looked at as soon as 9-11

the Clinton administration had been contemplating going after Hussein as much as anyone

i can easily see both sides to the war, and i still am firmly on the side that what we did was in our best interest as a nation...however, i would havfe liked to see us more aggressive than we have been with these terrorists

Hussein did in part stabilize the region...that was good for us, but he was also weakening our credibility immensely and it is my opinion that we had to act or things would have become worse

The Clinton administration and his own secretary of defense said the same things as Bush did, and i don't see any reason why guys like Bob Graham are refusing to acknowledge this

Nor did I see Bob Graham and his colleagues questioning the intelligence when it came out....one would think that a guy in his position of leadership would do so....all this finger pointing is pathetic

Also, it is funny how Bush and Cheney and co. can be berated by them every day but when they come out and refute these outrageous accusations they are being "attacking, bashing, whatever"

its all politics...these dems had as much a chance as anyone to discourage the war effort but now are only doing it when they can see political benefit....and thats very sad

once again, the party of no solutions
 

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http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9812/10/iraq.02/

for real history google cohen and iraq....you will find that what is being said by today's left is far different from what Clinton's admin was saying while in office

given that Bush attacked many years later after several years of increased defiance, one could think he had a slower trigger than Clinton

but would the left like us to believe otherwise!
 
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dr. freeze said:
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9812/10/iraq.02/

for real history google cohen and iraq....you will find that what is being said by today's left is far different from what Clinton's admin was saying while in office

given that Bush attacked many years later after several years of increased defiance, one could think he had a slower trigger than Clinton

but would the left like us to believe otherwise!

Yes, of course. But as noted many times, 'attacking' Iraq is not necessarily the same as invading, occupying, rebuilding and trying to change them to a form of government that is completely foreign to them and will surely be rejected once we leave.

All this 'Clinton said this', 'Clinton said that' stuff really rings hollow. Ok, Clinton thought he had WMD. Bush 41 thought he had them and even with a million troops lined up in the ME he decided not to take over Iraq. He knew exactly what would happen. About a year ago I posted a quote of his from 1994 or so in response to a question that he was asked.

The person was inquiring as to why he didn't go to Baghdad. He reels off all these reasons. They ought to call him Kreskin because everything he said has come true. And we're trying to do it with 1/6th the amount of troops than he had.

All that crap about how the U.N. stopped us from doing it is bullshit. He didn't go because it was not right for our country, period.

On the other subject, Graham couldn't have come out about his reasons for voting against the war because any specific information that he would have spoken of was classified. They took it all out of the shrunken declassified version that all the rest of the Congress received.

I think it's a little odd that it doesn't bother you that Congress was only given partial information and only the information that supported the war.

Also, it is funny how Bush and Cheney and co. can be berated by them every day but when they come out and refute these outrageous accusations they are being "attacking, bashing, whatever"

I don't find these allegations to be 'outrageous.' Until evidence comes out, I think it's wrong to say that they lied about the intel, because there is nothing to suggest that.(I guess a case could be made about the fake Niger memo) But by witholding information that does not support going to war? Would that be considered lies by ommission, or just misleading? Wouldn't you agree that it has to be one or another? Or is it fine that our governing body is not given all available info, only that given by Chalabi(who hadn't been in Iraq for like 15 years) and 'speedball?'

Men are dying based on THEIR info and info from our own State and Energy depts was ignored?! Gimme a break.
 

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400,000 mass graves in Iraq. Children and Women GASED by the THOUSANDS.

Genocide.

The WMD's are gone. There were 3 of them.

Saddam, Qusay, and UDay were the weapons of mass destruction.

Who would like to debate that topic??
 

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CHARLESMANSON said:
400,000 mass graves in Iraq. Children and Women GASED by the THOUSANDS.

Genocide.

The WMD's are gone. There were 3 of them.

Saddam, Qusay, and UDay were the weapons of mass destruction.

Who would like to debate that topic??


why not just comment on what the tread was about?
 

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"Pretty much as expected."
Me too Matt considering it came from X Dem who voted no on resolution to go to war--I would even venture quess if you asked the other 22 that voted same way they would concurwith him--however ask the 77 that voted for it--and you might get different theory.
 

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DOGS THAT BARK said:
"Pretty much as expected."
Me too Matt considering it came from X Dem who voted no on resolution to go to war--I would even venture quess if you asked the other 22 that voted same way they would concurwith him--however ask the 77 that voted for it--and you might get different theory.

I don't understand. Did you read his statement? Those 77 were not given the same info that he and a select few others were. Does that bother you that they didn't include dissenting evidence?

I've noticed that most times you don't even bother to read the article or statement that is the topic of a thread, but you still comment on it. Graham is not criticizing the actual war. He's explaining a few things in regard to the omission of information in the run-up.

It's not a matter of the other 22 'concurring' or the other 77 dissenting, it's a matter of deception.

If you're saying that you think Graham is making the whole thing up then just say so, but at least read it.
 

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You guys are pathetic, trying to rewrite history. The overwhelming majority in the house and senate, including nearly half of democrats, supported using force. They had the same intelligence the president had. Maybe get behind the war a little bit, and we'll be out of there sooner than you think. But no, instead all you can do is bitch and try to rewrite history.
 

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Just a little curious as to why this didn't come up 3 years ago, that's all. As soon as you admit this is water under the bridge and only being used for political gain, I'll admit that there is some merit to what he is saying.
 

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Water under the bridge? I guess you could look at it that way. Hey, if it doesn't bother you that they withheld intelligence, then what can I say?

Political gain? No. He was directly responding to Cheneys lies that everybody saw all the intelligence. He never would have piped up if that lunatic Cheney had not gone on one of his rants full of lies.
 

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of course, being the Senator that he is --was -- he has no responsibility in the accuracy of the information given him for his vote

let the blabbering hypocrite keep bumbling...for some reason, it is music to the peacenik's ears in here
 
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