Vets should stand up for Murtha

[Master Capper]

Although, I think Murtha is doing a fantastic job jabbing back at the chicken hawks that have been taking cheap shot's at him, but Vets should stand up and not allow folks like Limbaugh and Cheney to take shots at a fellow vet. Limbaugh in the last few days has questioned Murtha's patriotism which should make any Vet cringe since you have a guy that served 37 years and has been a staunch backer of the armed forces for many years being attacked by a guy that is a known drug addict and skated when it was time for him to serve his country and go to Vietnam. It really disillusions me that guys like Cheney or Limbaugh have any nerve to question any vet's history or to question their patriotism since neither of these had the balls to serve their country in the time of need.

 

[Master Capper]

Marine Claims He Never Said It
The marine quoted by Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-OH) on the House floor last week implying Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) was "a coward," claims he never said it, according to the Cincinnati Enquirer. In fact he said "he would never call a fellow Marine a coward."

Said Marine reserve colonel Danny Bubp: "I don't want to be interjected into this. I wish she never used my name."

Meanwhile, Schmidt "declined to explain her comments" to the newspaper and "also skipped two previously scheduled appearances in Cincinnati."

 

[Clem D]

Yea I agree. Cheney calling someone a coward is like Bush calling someone a dummy

 

[kosar]

Marine Claims He Never Said It
The marine quoted by Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-OH) on the House floor last week implying Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) was "a coward," claims he never said it, according to the Cincinnati Enquirer. In fact he said "he would never call a fellow Marine a coward."

Said Marine reserve colonel Danny Bubp: "I don't want to be interjected into this. I wish she never used my name."

Meanwhile, Schmidt "declined to explain her comments" to the newspaper and "also skipped two previously scheduled appearances in Cincinnati."

Schmidt asked that her comments be stricken from the official record. I don't blame her, they were beyond pathetic.

 

[Master Capper]

Murtha may have stood up and given some of the younger Dems their voice as now Obama is calling for troop reductions and also calling for an investigation into misleading information on the runup to war.

 

[Master Capper]

Conservative commentator Bill O'Reilly writes in his current column that there needs to be a timetable for the U.S. to leave Iraq.

"Let's win the damn thing," he said in his Creators Syndicate feature. "But there must be a time limit. Mr. Bush and his crew have to understand that American blood and treasure are not unlimited. It is not undermining the war to suggest giving the Iraqis a realistic private timetable to defend themselves. Basic training for a U.S. soldier is six weeks. We've been training the Iraqi army for almost two years now. Even Gomer Pyle would be up to speed."

 

[Iowa Child]

We probably have given the Iraqi forces a PRIVATE timetable for us leaving. You don't broadcast those types of things to the enemy.

 

[dr. freeze]

We probably have given the Iraqi forces a PRIVATE timetable for us leaving. You don't broadcast those types of things to the enemy.

enemy as in "left wing nuts" or enemy as in "islamofasciists" or both

please be clear of your post, or the leftists will bring your post back up 5 years from now when it is irrelevant in order to prove some kind of point in their own minds

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

enemy as in "left wing nuts" or enemy as in "islamofasciists" or both

please be clear of your post, or the leftists will bring your post back up 5 years from now when it is irrelevant in order to prove some kind of point in their own minds

You mean like quotes from 1994-98?

 

[Master Capper]

We probably have given the Iraqi forces a PRIVATE timetable for us leaving. You don't broadcast those types of things to the enemy.


Do you actually believe what you are writing? Do you realize this is the same administration that did not have a battle plan in place for occupying the country and did not arm our troops with the proper armor? Do you actually believe that this administration is capable of putting a date on with-drawl when they have grossly mismanaged and been incorrect on nearly all of their prewar assessments, don't you recall we would be welcomed with open arms? I don't believe there is any person Rep or Dem that would have absolutely any idea on giving a date when we can absolutely with-drawl since the country of Iraq is in a mess with terror still ruling the day and vast amounts of people are lacking basic human necessities such as water and electricity.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

MC "The Marine says he never said it" is quite interesting and I hope they get to the bottom of it and torch who ever was responsible.My jaw dropped when I 1st heard remark on TV and would have been with those that booed-- I have no doubt that 99.9% of vets would back Murtha's character and service but don't believe many would back his position on the issue.

 

[dr. freeze]

We probably have given the Iraqi forces a PRIVATE timetable for us leaving. You don't broadcast those types of things to the enemy.


Do you actually believe what you are writing? Do you realize this is the same administration that did not have a battle plan in place for occupying the country and did not arm our troops with the proper armor? Do you actually believe that this administration is capable of putting a date on with-drawl when they have grossly mismanaged and been incorrect on nearly all of their prewar assessments, don't you recall we would be welcomed with open arms? I don't believe there is any person Rep or Dem that would have absolutely any idea on giving a date when we can absolutely with-drawl since the country of Iraq is in a mess with terror still ruling the day and vast amounts of people are lacking basic human necessities such as water and electricity.

newsflash: "administrations" do not fight wars...."countries" fight wars

 

[Master Capper]

DTB,

You have to understand the mindset of the woman that uttered this (Schmidt) she attacked Paul Hackett when she campaigned for her seat by questioning his military service even though he was a decorated solider that served in Iraq. I did not state that 99% or anything near that amount of Vet's would back Murtha, but I can assure you that a majority do back Murtha and are getting tired of the slams by non-milatary folks of decorated soliders. I base my point on a charity auction that I recently was involved in at the local Legion Hall and folks are not happy with her comments.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

MC:

Thats my gal. I am so proud to have this reincarnation of Eva Braun as my representative in DC. I was listening to corporate radio yesterday and Frau Schmidt was on the air talking to fellow Nazi Bill Cunningham saying 80% of the callers to her office were supportive of her position and upset that she toned down her comments.

Just goes to show that all those germans who would have led Germany into a 3rd world war seem to have relocated to southwest Ohio. This area of the country is very scarry. If you care to look you can see the destruction of the US happening all around here.

My apologies to the country for allowing this imbecile to be elected to Congress. Then again, we put Bush over the top also.

On a lighter note, my vote for the funniest line I've read this year on this forum goes to the poster whose signature line is:

"I have many fantasies and Bartolo Colon is in none of them".

Eddie

 

[gardenweasel]

."" It really disillusions me that guys like Cheney or Limbaugh have any nerve to question any vet's history or to question their patriotism since neither of these had the balls to serve their country in the time of need""...

who`s questioning his "history or patriotism"...i`m personally questioning his sanity...as many are...

by that logic...if you aren`t a vet...and some old veteran says something stupid like,""redeploy the troops outside iraq immediately,and then,"re-re-deploy" them inside iraq if things get nasty"....

you can`t debate or criticize that remark?....question the person that made it`s motives...ask for clarification...because,he didn`t give details...didn`t explain that it would make this war even more expensive.....the logistical
issues...

not to mention possibly destroy the uber-important upcoming elections...

remarks like his give credence to the argument that the extreme left absolutely wants this country to fail in iraq....

he can make ridiculous statements(or even if they weren`t ridiculous)and ,because he`s a veteran,nobody can question him?...only other veterans?...

anybody can question him...even a clown like limbaugh.....i can call him an old fool...or a political hack...

just like you can call bush a liar...

the door swings both ways...

in this country,anyway...

 

[djv]

Mix bag our military has many walks of live serving in it. I would say he might get 50% from both active and retired. Those active don't pay to much attention. They know they will be told when and where and that's that. It's something you learn fast in the service. No questions just do it.

 

[Master Capper]

newsflash: "administrations" do not fight wars...."countries" fight wars

While this is true most countries do not go to war on misleading information such as ourcountry has had to endure during the current regime. Currently 64% of the American public public feel that the administration was dishonest about the runup to war according to two polls (and yes these polls may or may not be bias su debit 7%) so I guess 57% of the people are illogical left wing radical liberals that just dont understand.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I would have to say if the 64% or 56% are accurate we have some pretty naive people.
Aside from opinions,accusations ect what do we know to be factual.
A: He had them and used them.
B: he would/could not account for their destruction
C: He refused to comply with resolution for verification even when given last minute opportunity.

given these facts alone would a prudent person think the odds were he still had em or at the very least be able to regain them in short order.

If he doesn't have them and you go to war your results are a dictator was removed and 80% of Iraqi's freed with no worry of reocurring genocide from he or sons again.--you have possibilty for democracy in the heart of the Muslim world. Our cost-- military lives and expensive monetary cost.

What if you don't go to war and your wrong. Considering he paid for bounties of suicide bombers do you think he would not aid anyone wanting to strike U.S. What was the cost in lives of 911 and monetary cost has been estimated from 1 to 3 trillion.
---and that occurred in single day.

It will happen again-only a matter of time and you can make book on this--the screaming will come from the same as on 911 on what steps we failed to take not those that we did.

 

[djv]

I think a Saddam person will be in Iraq with 2/3 years after we get out. I mean we need to learn you cant nation build just any old place. Hell there already killing each other and were still there. All were doing is getting in the way. Were starting to lose more men who are not even main target.
As for all these WMD's he had. I wonder if he used most of them up in Iran war. And shame on us we gave him so many. Well I guess gas is not a real WMD. The right don't like calling gas a WMD since Regan gave him all he needed.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Hard to believe Schmidt is "amazed" it turned into national story--I have an idea she might be amazed on her next eclection bid.

From the grapevine--


Jean's Apology

Ohio Republican Jean Schmidt has issued an apology of sorts for her controversial attack on a fellow representative on the House floor last week. Schmidt delivered a scathing message from an Ohio state legislator to Democrat John Murtha, a former Marine who had proposed an immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, saying, "Cowards cut and run, Marines never do."

Since then, Schmidt has been lampooned on "Saturday Night Live" and profiled in the New York Times and even the state senator/reservist she claimed to be quoting has distanced himself from her remarks. Schmidt now says she didn't mean to impugn Murtha's character, but blames the media for making her a scapegoat, saying, "I am amazed at what a national story this has become. I have been attacked very personally, continuously since Friday evening."

other stuff

School's Out for Professor

The Warren County Community College professor who called on soldiers to shoot their commanders has resigned, just as the board of trustees was set to hold an emergency meeting to address the matter. The controversy started when John Daly sent an e-mail to a conservative student activist... saying he would "continue to expose your right-wing, anti-people politics until groups like yours won't dare show their face on a college campus" and that "Real freedom will come when soldiers in Iraq turn their guns on their superiors."

In accepting Daly's resignation, Warren County's Community College president pledged to push for tolerance training seminars for all faculty members.

Push for Peace or Political Promotion?

Citizen action... or anti-war protest? A Madison, Wisconsin elementary school teacher says that when she assigned her third graders to write letters urging fellow students, lawmakers, and the media to press for an end to the war in Iraq ? she was merely "advocating that people keep working toward peace."

But the school board sided with several parents of students with family members in Iraq, ruling that the assignment was a direct violation of policy prohibiting teachers using their position to promote political views. The board's president says students could decide to write letters expressing their own views, but "it isn't appropriate to mandate it."