Giants Stadium sets aside prayer spaces, reacting to Muslims’ complaints
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mr c....again,trying to equate moral equivalence between protecting a society from a throwback 14th century mass murder cult and some athlete exercising his right to expression is a ridiculous comparison...
continuously citing and comparing a handful of "christian weirdo`s" to the over 3200 muslim terrorist attacks around the world since 9/11 is a straw man...i think you know that...
nobody said "all muslims"...that`s your talking point...but,unfortunately,it`s impossible to discern the criminals from the law abiding...you`d hope,that peaceful,hard working muslims would understand and cooperate in helping the authorities thwart the monster`s attempts at murdering civilians....disrupting our society and economy...
if it were me,i`d expect and accept the inconveniences and hardships...gladly...to have the privelege to live in this great country....
after all,they chose to come here...
the police did the correct thing...particularly with the president at the stadium..actually,i`d hope they`d do the same thing 10 times out of 10....
you guys seem to be getting it in australia....
or,have you forgotten so quickly about the recent plot foiled in australia to breach a nuclear reactor?....the even more recent plot to attack the australian representatives at the bali memorial service?....i believe in indonesia..
this ridiculous politically correct gesture by the giant stadium powers that be,further demonstrates the difference in light years between these killers and the west..
but it can set a dangerous procedent...
obviously,you understand the dynamic of a western society whose civilian population is under attack from a particular radical/religious faction....
you would think...that americans would realize by now....after seeing europe`s miserably failed attempt at politically correct appeasement....open immigration...failed attempts at assimilation....
these grand gestures only seem to exacerbate the problem...
more from france...
""As if three weeks of rioting by Muslim youths wasn’t enough evidence, a new study by the Center for Intelligence Research in Paris shows that France is in big trouble: Fundamentalism in French Workplace. "......
PARIS — Employees set up clandestine prayer areas on the grounds of the Euro Disney resort.
Workers for a cargo firm at Charles de Gaulle airport praise the Sept. 11 attacks.
A Brinks technician is charged with pulling off a million-dollar heist for a Moroccan terrorist group allegedly led by his brother. Female converts to Islam operate a day-care center that authorities eventually shut down because of its religious radicalism.
As France grapples with the rise of Islamic extremism abroad and at home, the line between legitimate religious expression and extremist subversion can be blurry. But a recent study by a think tank here paints a picture of rising fundamentalism in the workplace, ranging from proselytizing to pressure tactics to criminal activities.
In companies such as supermarket chains in immigrant-heavy areas, for instance, militant recruiters cause workplace tensions by imposing fundamentalist ideas on co-workers and pressuring managers to boycott certain products, the study says.
On a more sinister level, the study asserts that Islamic networks are trying to establish a presence in firms involved in sectors such as security, cargo, armored cars, courier services and transportation. Once they gain a foothold, operatives raise funds for militants via theft, embezzlement and robbery, the study alleges.
“Parallel to these sect-like risks, the spread of criminal practices has been detected in the heart of companies [with] two goals: crime using Islam as a pretext; and in addition, local financing of terrorism,” concludes the study by the Center for Intelligence Research in Paris.""......
i would hope we`d learn from our europen brethren...
continuously citing and comparing a handful of "christian weirdo`s" to the over 3200 muslim terrorist attacks around the world since 9/11 is a straw man...i think you know that...
nobody said "all muslims"...that`s your talking point...but,unfortunately,it`s impossible to discern the criminals from the law abiding...you`d hope,that peaceful,hard working muslims would understand and cooperate in helping the authorities thwart the monster`s attempts at murdering civilians....disrupting our society and economy...
if it were me,i`d expect and accept the inconveniences and hardships...gladly...to have the privelege to live in this great country....
after all,they chose to come here...
the police did the correct thing...particularly with the president at the stadium..actually,i`d hope they`d do the same thing 10 times out of 10....
you guys seem to be getting it in australia....
or,have you forgotten so quickly about the recent plot foiled in australia to breach a nuclear reactor?....the even more recent plot to attack the australian representatives at the bali memorial service?....i believe in indonesia..
this ridiculous politically correct gesture by the giant stadium powers that be,further demonstrates the difference in light years between these killers and the west..
but it can set a dangerous procedent...
obviously,you understand the dynamic of a western society whose civilian population is under attack from a particular radical/religious faction....
you would think...that americans would realize by now....after seeing europe`s miserably failed attempt at politically correct appeasement....open immigration...failed attempts at assimilation....
these grand gestures only seem to exacerbate the problem...
more from france...
""As if three weeks of rioting by Muslim youths wasn’t enough evidence, a new study by the Center for Intelligence Research in Paris shows that France is in big trouble: Fundamentalism in French Workplace. "......
PARIS — Employees set up clandestine prayer areas on the grounds of the Euro Disney resort.
Workers for a cargo firm at Charles de Gaulle airport praise the Sept. 11 attacks.
A Brinks technician is charged with pulling off a million-dollar heist for a Moroccan terrorist group allegedly led by his brother. Female converts to Islam operate a day-care center that authorities eventually shut down because of its religious radicalism.
As France grapples with the rise of Islamic extremism abroad and at home, the line between legitimate religious expression and extremist subversion can be blurry. But a recent study by a think tank here paints a picture of rising fundamentalism in the workplace, ranging from proselytizing to pressure tactics to criminal activities.
In companies such as supermarket chains in immigrant-heavy areas, for instance, militant recruiters cause workplace tensions by imposing fundamentalist ideas on co-workers and pressuring managers to boycott certain products, the study says.
On a more sinister level, the study asserts that Islamic networks are trying to establish a presence in firms involved in sectors such as security, cargo, armored cars, courier services and transportation. Once they gain a foothold, operatives raise funds for militants via theft, embezzlement and robbery, the study alleges.
“Parallel to these sect-like risks, the spread of criminal practices has been detected in the heart of companies [with] two goals: crime using Islam as a pretext; and in addition, local financing of terrorism,” concludes the study by the Center for Intelligence Research in Paris.""......
i would hope we`d learn from our europen brethren...
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I think this thread has gone a little off topic, not there's anything wrong with that necessarily.
But just returning to the origin of the discussion briefly, it's pitiful to pander to a minority and establishing some sort of prayer area within a sports stadium. If prayer is so important to them, then dont go to the bloody game. Pretty simple choice.
But just returning to the origin of the discussion briefly, it's pitiful to pander to a minority and establishing some sort of prayer area within a sports stadium. If prayer is so important to them, then dont go to the bloody game. Pretty simple choice.
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That's probably the most correct post that this forum has ever seen!! :clap: :clap:
mr c....again,trying to equate moral equivalence between protecting a society from a throwback 14th century mass murder cult and some athlete exercising his right to expression is a ridiculous comparison...
But no...see, I know I've dragged this thread way off topic...but far from me eqauting what you said...don't you think that early on here, the comparison was distinctly made between a small group of men standing near an air-duct, to the western world's greatest threat??!!
Pretty big leap I would have thought. :shrug:
Why do athletes have a right to express, but Muslim's don't?
As I said, athletes are lauded for making very public Christian gestures...People in the stands unashamedly (and rightly so if that's their thing!) pray....yet imagine if a Muslim pulls out his mat, faced East (or West... Mecca anyway!!), gets down on his knees....you know the drill....
...all of a sudden there are people yelling abuse and wanting to throw beer bottles.
Just seems to me that some people get to 'express their rights' a whole lot more freely than others.
but,unfortunately,it`s impossible to discern the criminals from the law abiding
Absolutely it is!...But you don't see your white neighbour being 'profiled' on the off chance he robs a bank next week...or kills his ex-wife down the track.
after all,they chose to come here...
That's just the classic train of thought isn't it...Do we know what % US Muslims are actually born in America?? (I don't, but fair chance 75+% of them didn't CHOOSE to come here at all?In fact, quite the opposite. They quite freely CHOOSE to adopt Islam as their religion)
continuously citing and comparing a handful of "christian weirdo`s" to the over 3200 muslim terrorist attacks around the world since 9/11 is a straw man...i think you know that...
Pretty sure we've had this conversation before....a HUGE % of those attacks aren't random...SE Asia, Africa...obviously Israel, aren't so much about 'religion' as they are century old fueds about land....rather than disrupting society as a whole.
Now clearly 9/11, the Bali bombing and the recent London attacks stand out, and are absolutely every bit as you describe.
Horrific?.totally 100% un-necessary deaths?but in real terms, a drop in the ocean.
88 Australians died in Bali, and we have anniversaries?tributes?the works?yet every year 300 Australians get murdered (presumably by Good Ole Ordinary Citizens!).
Martin Bryant (a every day regular Joe) killed 35 people on a shooting spree here in Tassie in 1996.
Out last plane hijacking here (probably our only one!), was some middle aged, ?regular? Aussie male, who was drunk and wanted to die ?cause his wife had left him!!
Just imagine for one second if by pure coincidence he happened to be a Muslim!!...instead of a near disaster that got 2 days of news time, suddenly it?s an international incident that goes through the wringer for months on end.
One of the biggest ?public? attacks ever (besides 9/11 obviously) was the Tokyo subway incident?.only 12 died, but about 5000 were injured and quite lucky to survive?.An attack by a whacked out Japanese national.
Anyway...I do appologise for the pretty large tangent I went off on....
...My one man crusade for a more understanding world is now officially at an end. :mj14:
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mr c???...
3200+ attacks by radical fundamentalists since 9/11?......yes,some are "feuds"...
but,many also are school girls being decapitated...markets,hotels and buses bombed...old men in wheelchairs pushed off cruise ships....jet planes flown into skyscrapers filled with innocent people...reporters decapitated....
"attempts at breaching nuclear reactors"....good lord....
they`re serial mass murderers...they could be in my neighborhood...yours...
what on earth does that have to do with profiling white guys trying to rob banks?....
radical muslims....who just happen to be waging war on the west....in america,europe,the netherlands,austrlia..they`re own people for god`s sake......are trying to murder hundreds and thousands of westerners...or "non-believers"...at a a clip...
banks?...
sooooo...when several muslims are hanging around the main air duct at a football stadium.....
"praying?"....(if i see that,i`m calling for a cop in a hurry...maybe i`m insensitive...i call it self preservation)
and this particular stadium just happens to be entertaining the president,i think it`s damned prudent to vigorously remove and question them....
and if i were a muslim...knowing what we all know to be true....i`d be very understanding of the authority`s actions....
banks?....
context,my friend...
more people are killed by radical islamists each year than in all 350 years of the spanish inquisition combined.
islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the k.k.k. has in the last 50 years.
more civilians were killed by muslim extremists in two hours on september 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in northern ireland.
19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of american criminals put to death in the last 65 years.....
mr c..."""But no...see, I know I've dragged this thread way off topic...but far from me eqauting what you said...don't you think that early on here, the comparison was distinctly made between a small group of men standing near an air-duct, to the western world's greatest threat??!!
Pretty big leap I would have thought""...
how many people in a stadium do you think these nuts could kill by fouling it with some sort of chemical agent?....i`d say possibly thousands....
not feasible?...far fetched,you say?....
so was flying "passenger planes" into skyscrapers...
hell,pushing a wheelchair-bound,helpless old man into the ocean is beyond my scope of rationality... even if he was a jew...
white bank robbers aren`t mass murdering civilians ...trying to bring down our economy....imposing their distorted version of islam on the rest of the world...
whew......that`s off the map,man...
3200+ attacks by radical fundamentalists since 9/11?......yes,some are "feuds"...
but,many also are school girls being decapitated...markets,hotels and buses bombed...old men in wheelchairs pushed off cruise ships....jet planes flown into skyscrapers filled with innocent people...reporters decapitated....
"attempts at breaching nuclear reactors"....good lord....
they`re serial mass murderers...they could be in my neighborhood...yours...
what on earth does that have to do with profiling white guys trying to rob banks?....
radical muslims....who just happen to be waging war on the west....in america,europe,the netherlands,austrlia..they`re own people for god`s sake......are trying to murder hundreds and thousands of westerners...or "non-believers"...at a a clip...
banks?...
sooooo...when several muslims are hanging around the main air duct at a football stadium.....
"praying?"....(if i see that,i`m calling for a cop in a hurry...maybe i`m insensitive...i call it self preservation)
and this particular stadium just happens to be entertaining the president,i think it`s damned prudent to vigorously remove and question them....
and if i were a muslim...knowing what we all know to be true....i`d be very understanding of the authority`s actions....
banks?....
context,my friend...
more people are killed by radical islamists each year than in all 350 years of the spanish inquisition combined.
islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the k.k.k. has in the last 50 years.
more civilians were killed by muslim extremists in two hours on september 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in northern ireland.
19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of american criminals put to death in the last 65 years.....
mr c..."""But no...see, I know I've dragged this thread way off topic...but far from me eqauting what you said...don't you think that early on here, the comparison was distinctly made between a small group of men standing near an air-duct, to the western world's greatest threat??!!
Pretty big leap I would have thought""...
how many people in a stadium do you think these nuts could kill by fouling it with some sort of chemical agent?....i`d say possibly thousands....
not feasible?...far fetched,you say?....
so was flying "passenger planes" into skyscrapers...
hell,pushing a wheelchair-bound,helpless old man into the ocean is beyond my scope of rationality... even if he was a jew...
white bank robbers aren`t mass murdering civilians ...trying to bring down our economy....imposing their distorted version of islam on the rest of the world...
whew......that`s off the map,man...
That fcukin did it. I'm callin the ACLU cuz I want to worship a ten foot tall sculpture of Lee Marvin made out of earwax behind home plate!
Speaking of atheletes "thanking god" and prostrating in the end zone,
"Jesus tripped me up back there so now it's 4th and 10"
Oh, Gardenweasel. Dont let other's September 10th thinking get you down. Its been four entire years for these people. They think It won't happen again!!! Whaa? poison MY water supply??? HOW COULD YOU? Newflash: The Mexican Coyotes could give Mike Ditka's mustache if they get dollars from Gardners or someone gettin ready to rendezvous with a suitcase bomb at the Port of Los Angeles.
Speaking of atheletes "thanking god" and prostrating in the end zone,
"Jesus tripped me up back there so now it's 4th and 10"
Oh, Gardenweasel. Dont let other's September 10th thinking get you down. Its been four entire years for these people. They think It won't happen again!!! Whaa? poison MY water supply??? HOW COULD YOU? Newflash: The Mexican Coyotes could give Mike Ditka's mustache if they get dollars from Gardners or someone gettin ready to rendezvous with a suitcase bomb at the Port of Los Angeles.
Yup wish someone would start worring about protecting us. They got enough money from congress todo it.
The simple FACT that I'm pointing out is that the chances of you being killed by a 'terrorist' is FAR, FAR, FAR less than being killed by a fellow American....The chances of me being killed by a terrorist is FAR, FAR, FAR less than being killed by a fellow Australian.
It's a fact.
In fact (without checking on actual deaths over the last say, 5 years, cause frankly I can't be bothered right now)...I'd hazard a guess that the chance getting killed by a terrorist would be way less than being hit by a bus, and only slightly more than being hit by lightning....
....in fact, that sounded like fun, so I just did look that up....
...3239 deaths and 9818 injured in 35 years (from '59 - '94) in the US...so actually, I'd say that even puts being frizzled further up the list.
(if i see that,i`m calling for a cop in a hurry...maybe i`m insensitive...i call it self preservation)
It's rediculous paranoia...That's exactly what is it...which has been exactly my point in this entire thread.
how many people in a stadium do you think these nuts could kill by fouling it with some sort of chemical agent?....i`d say possibly thousands....
not feasible?...far fetched,you say?....
Did they do it? Is there ANY evidence at all that there was ANYTHING out of the ordinary going on??
Of course the funny thing is that (just judging by the story), that they only got asked to move on because the President was there!!...Any other week it would have been fine to stand there.
Again, I ask...if it is such a sensitive area, why is it not roped off?
And again I ask, if you see a group of white guys in tank tops and shorts standing in the same spot, do you call for the police??...even tho they just MIGHT be the next Martin Bryant, or Tim McViegh...Pretty far-fetched that people would want to kill their own country-men isn't it??!!
So you've said about the old guy who was pushed off a boat about 5-6 times now.....yet you seem to not care one little bit about a) the 34 people getting murdered a day in your country, or b) the dangers of it!!
You're telling me to look at perspective (I notice you picked the bank robbing bit, not the murdering the ex-wife)...yet with ALL the ways there are to die in the world, you (not just you!) spend an inordinate amount of time worrying about things that are EXTREMELY unlikely to happen.
Pixk someone tomorrow at random....say, the 4th person you walk passed that you don't know....and they are 100% EVERY BIT AS LIKELY TO WANT TO KILL SOMEONE AS ANY OF THE MEN WHO WERE ASKED TO MOVE ON.
That's just it in a nut-shell.
A few people here think it's quite acceptable/reasonable to isolate an entire 'race' of people because a minute % of them are crazed, murderous, delusional [insert abusive term here].
I personal don't.....
I'm sure we'll all move on....
It's a fact.
In fact (without checking on actual deaths over the last say, 5 years, cause frankly I can't be bothered right now)...I'd hazard a guess that the chance getting killed by a terrorist would be way less than being hit by a bus, and only slightly more than being hit by lightning....
....in fact, that sounded like fun, so I just did look that up....
...3239 deaths and 9818 injured in 35 years (from '59 - '94) in the US...so actually, I'd say that even puts being frizzled further up the list.
(if i see that,i`m calling for a cop in a hurry...maybe i`m insensitive...i call it self preservation)
It's rediculous paranoia...That's exactly what is it...which has been exactly my point in this entire thread.
how many people in a stadium do you think these nuts could kill by fouling it with some sort of chemical agent?....i`d say possibly thousands....
not feasible?...far fetched,you say?....
Did they do it? Is there ANY evidence at all that there was ANYTHING out of the ordinary going on??
Of course the funny thing is that (just judging by the story), that they only got asked to move on because the President was there!!...Any other week it would have been fine to stand there.
Again, I ask...if it is such a sensitive area, why is it not roped off?
And again I ask, if you see a group of white guys in tank tops and shorts standing in the same spot, do you call for the police??...even tho they just MIGHT be the next Martin Bryant, or Tim McViegh...Pretty far-fetched that people would want to kill their own country-men isn't it??!!
So you've said about the old guy who was pushed off a boat about 5-6 times now.....yet you seem to not care one little bit about a) the 34 people getting murdered a day in your country, or b) the dangers of it!!
You're telling me to look at perspective (I notice you picked the bank robbing bit, not the murdering the ex-wife)...yet with ALL the ways there are to die in the world, you (not just you!) spend an inordinate amount of time worrying about things that are EXTREMELY unlikely to happen.
Pixk someone tomorrow at random....say, the 4th person you walk passed that you don't know....and they are 100% EVERY BIT AS LIKELY TO WANT TO KILL SOMEONE AS ANY OF THE MEN WHO WERE ASKED TO MOVE ON.
That's just it in a nut-shell.
A few people here think it's quite acceptable/reasonable to isolate an entire 'race' of people because a minute % of them are crazed, murderous, delusional [insert abusive term here].
I personal don't.....
I'm sure we'll all move on....
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What utter foolish nonsense--what happens when these
"minute %" scattered all over the world get technology and resources to replace these homemade bombs they been using.
Does anyone except the Christo's of the world think anyone that
they would not use any weapon on anyone at anytime--if given the opportunity.
"minute %" scattered all over the world get technology and resources to replace these homemade bombs they been using.
Does anyone except the Christo's of the world think anyone that
they would not use any weapon on anyone at anytime--if given the opportunity.
