Since you Like Quotes So much
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Followed it closely Steve--The majored part of it "hammer and Anvil" was curtailed as Turkey would not let the 4th infantry and the 7th Armored Brigade from Britain come down from the north to meet up with 3rd infantry coming up from Kuwait. Had they been able to do so the Sunni triange would have had much different compexion. You'd have to be military to appreciate the stratagie--however it is quite easy for anyone to understand the time lines.
March 17th-2003 GW gave Saadam and Sons last effort 48 hour time line to leave--they refused.
March 20th 2003--invasion began
April 9th 2003--The fall of Badhdad and surrender of troops.
Thats 19 days--an improvement on the 35 days before fall of Kabul in Afgan. --and both countries now voting democracies.
---and Kennedy and Dean remark about "no planning" from the start--yep-- Maybe they or you would like to comment on successful planning in military engagements on their adins watch. "Peace keeping" mission in Kosovo would be only thing remotely classified as military success--unless they count using tanks to defeat women and children after 51 days at Waco a miltary victory
Your fogot to include in your timelines:
11/20/2005
US troops still being killed at an alarming and increaing rate although our leader declared the mission over nearly two years ago.
11/20/2005
Vast amounts of the country of Iraq still remains in chaos with lawless order controling the streets.
11/20/2005
Everyday needs such as electricity are still in short order for large portions of the country.
11/20/2005
Still looking for those WMD's that were poised to strike our shores from the mobile rocket launchers that Dick Cheney told us were ready to strike.
March 17th-2003 GW gave Saadam and Sons last effort 48 hour time line to leave--they refused.
March 20th 2003--invasion began
April 9th 2003--The fall of Badhdad and surrender of troops.
Thats 19 days--an improvement on the 35 days before fall of Kabul in Afgan. --and both countries now voting democracies.
---and Kennedy and Dean remark about "no planning" from the start--yep-- Maybe they or you would like to comment on successful planning in military engagements on their adins watch. "Peace keeping" mission in Kosovo would be only thing remotely classified as military success--unless they count using tanks to defeat women and children after 51 days at Waco a miltary victory
Your fogot to include in your timelines:
11/20/2005
US troops still being killed at an alarming and increaing rate although our leader declared the mission over nearly two years ago.
11/20/2005
Vast amounts of the country of Iraq still remains in chaos with lawless order controling the streets.
11/20/2005
Everyday needs such as electricity are still in short order for large portions of the country.
11/20/2005
Still looking for those WMD's that were poised to strike our shores from the mobile rocket launchers that Dick Cheney told us were ready to strike.
Bumping in case any of you great quote machines missed the questions. Can you find me a quote by the administration explaining the aftermath of the fall of Iraq and the occupation of IRAQ and how much they expect this to cost in American lives and dollars? Come on you quote guys, I can see you out there. Come out, come out where ever you are! :mj07: :mj07:
So what your basically saying is that after the shock and awe campaign, The administration gave no formal statement on predicting the future of the war? Am I correct? is that your story?
I am simply asking if you can come up with a quote, from the administration, anytime during the buildup to the invasion of Iraq, where anyone Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Rice, anyone or anyone of their mouth pieces, tells the American people just how hard this war is going to be, the amount of lives it will most likely cost, and the cost to American taxpayers. You guys can seem to find all kind of quotes from the democrats agreeing that Saddam had WMD but not one where the administration levels with the American people on the cost, in both dollars and blood, of this war in Iraq.
Been ignoring this but since you persist--How the hell can anyone project deaths and expense before a war--can you show any leader in history that could/did?
It would be my opinion that the cost is higher than they expected but deaths fewer.
It would be my opinion that the cost is higher than they expected but deaths fewer.
Dogs, what was their plan? Their plan before they attacked. Are you saying they did not have one? After toppling Saddam what was the plan and the projections of the cost. Did they ever release those projections to the American public? It is a simple question but you and the other kool aid drinkers keep avoiding it. Show me just one projection of how these guys thought this war would go. Then we can decide if they are competent enough to assess the rest of the war.
I didn't overlook you Stevie....
I just frankly didn't care lol.....but here's what you've been bitching for. Now go find someone else to whine to. I have better things to do than spend 24/7 on a gambling website like you guys do. :mj14:
STRATEGY FOR VICTORY IN IRAQ
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/iraq_national_strategy_2005.pdf
I just frankly didn't care lol.....but here's what you've been bitching for. Now go find someone else to whine to. I have better things to do than spend 24/7 on a gambling website like you guys do. :mj14:
STRATEGY FOR VICTORY IN IRAQ
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/iraq_national_strategy_2005.pdf
Loser huh? What a clever insult.
How many goddamn speeches does this president have to give laying out his plan??? LMAO
SAME PLAN AS WE HAD IN 2003, you just chose to put your head in the sand and ignore it.
1. Overthrow Saddam
2. Rebuild the infasturcture
3. Help set up a democracy
4. Rebuild the military
5. Help draft a consitution
6. Make sure elections take place
7. Slowly bring troops home after the consitution is voted on and the new government is stable enough to stand on it's own
How many goddamn speeches does this president have to give laying out his plan??? LMAO
SAME PLAN AS WE HAD IN 2003, you just chose to put your head in the sand and ignore it.
1. Overthrow Saddam
2. Rebuild the infasturcture
3. Help set up a democracy
4. Rebuild the military
5. Help draft a consitution
6. Make sure elections take place
7. Slowly bring troops home after the consitution is voted on and the new government is stable enough to stand on it's own
Manson,
You may have missed my other requests, even though you've posted plenty since then. Please provide the source for your Iraqi readiness report. Thanks.
You may have missed my other requests, even though you've posted plenty since then. Please provide the source for your Iraqi readiness report. Thanks.
"Show me just one projection of how these guys thought this war would go. Then we can decide if they are competent enough to assess the rest of the war."
Let me see if I am correct on this--your dissing this admin for war planning when they did in days what Russia could not do in 10 years--and agains days in surrender of Iraq--and you question compenents?? Do you want me to bring you know who back in picture for epitomy of incompetence?
Let me see if I am correct on this--your dissing this admin for war planning when they did in days what Russia could not do in 10 years--and agains days in surrender of Iraq--and you question compenents?? Do you want me to bring you know who back in picture for epitomy of incompetence?
Dogs, we bombed the Hell out of a country that had no means to defend itself and after we spent billions of dalloars and created thousands of terrorists we declared victory. Since this "victory" as you call it we have lost over 2,000 men, made Iraq a hotbed for terrorists and spent hundreds of billions of dollars doing so. That's some victory! :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: If we won then why can't we go home? I will answer that one for you. Because we didn't win yet! We created such a mess over there we can't leave. We do not need less troops there we need more troops.
DOGS THAT BARK said:
It seems like you're thinking that it's 'mission accomplished.' What have we done in Afghanistan that 'Russia couldn't do in ten years?' Who do you think still runs that country? What do you think will happen when we leave? We will have been no more successful than Russia when all is said and done.
And seriously, is getting Iraq to 'surrender' really a big feat? It took 3 days in 1991. We could get most countries to surrender in short order. That doesn't mean it was a wise decision.
