Injury questions and more UT/USC game; Scott4USC help?

[bbk]

I wanted to first say all of that bs before is a distant memory. Sorry about some of the comments. I wanted to get your insight on what USC on both the offensive and especially the defensive side of the ball as far as injuries and who will be back for the NC game. I like USC either way but still want to know how USC will be as far as how healthy and what players will for sure or most likely be back. After watching Vince Young with his head down with a double digit lead; I cant imagine what he will look like when he is behind. One thing that I think that is keeping the line below seven is due to Texas and their high defense rating; but when you really look at Texas they dont ever play any good offensive teams; you pair that with USC being dinged up on the def side of the ball and playing against much better offenses week in and week out and it makes it look like USC's defense is not nearly as good. Now that may be the case as far as overall defense but one thing that the USC defense knows how to do and when to do it is get turnovers.
Also I read on here that on Pinn and CRIS you can bet the game; do you know what the max bet is on those sites for this game.
I appreciate the help
Thanks

 

[Scott4USC]

I wanted to first say all of that bs before is a distant memory. Sorry about some of the comments.

Wow, what a nice surprise. Apology accepted!

I wanted to get your insight on what USC on both the offensive and especially the defensive side of the ball as far as injuries and who will be back for the NC game.

USC OL is in perfect shape. ZERO injuries and no players playing through injuries. Couldn't be better!

USC DL for most part is in good shape. Nobody got seriously hurt all year. USC DE Rucker is playing through bruised shoulder but will be healthy for NC game. DT's were starting for first time this year and I think they are tired now. Not a lot of depth at DT too. NC game everyone will be engergized.

USC has been solid this year stopping the run. Better than I expected. It also is a very fast DL.

I like USC either way but still want to know how USC will be as far as how healthy and what players will for sure or most likely be back.

The area of concern right now is at the LB position. Completely depleted. Good news it should be in tact for NC game. USC for 2h of year been without starting LB Rivers. Playing hurt or not playing at all. He was out against FSU and will be out against UCLA. But he will be healthy for NC game. Same with USC #1 backup LB Williams. He has been out since CAL and will be out vs UCLA. He will be ready for NC game. USC starting MLB (LUA) played hurt vs FSU and will play hurt vs UCLA. He will be 100% healthy for NC game. Remember, USC lost their other starting LB early season to shoulder injury who will not play at all rest of year. So add that up along with USC graduating 2 starters from last years team, it has been serious issue. The replacements now are 2 freshman and 1 former walkon. The 2 freshman will be the best LB's in the country in the very near future. Both were 5-star recruits and they have been outstanding so far. They still are true freshman now and not disciplined or know Carroll D inside out. Walkon is solid but not talented. He knows the D inside out but doesn't have the great talent. So where I am getting at is USC will have the original starters back for BCS NC, plus now experienced freshman backing them up.

By the time USC plays in the Rose Bowl we will be the healthiest they have been all year. Similar to USC offense last year! Which exploded in the OB. USC was injured on offense 2h of year.Got healthy for bowl game and you saw the results! I am telling people USC D will be th same way! We already know the USC O will bring it.

After watching Vince Young with his head down with a double digit lead; I cant imagine what he will look like when he is behind.

That is not an example of a team leader. USC is a team who feeds off opponents turning the ball over or making mistakes. You saw what USC did to OU when they made mistakes. They make you pay! Texas is a proven commodity in turning the ball over in big games. THEY DO IT EVERY TIME! USC D is designed by Pete Carroll to force turnovers. If USC wins the turnover battle, Texas will lose by 20+ pts. USC has 1 turnover in the last 3 BCS bowl games, and that turnover came at the end of 4th quarter against Michigan on 1 yard line where USC was going to score. Simply amazing discipline Pete Carroll has installed in his team. If I am a Texas Longhorn fan, I be very worried about the turnover battle.

One thing that I think that is keeping the line below seven is due to Texas and their high defense rating; but when you really look at Texas they dont ever play any good offensive teams;

Exactly. Very misleading stats.

you pair that with USC being dinged up on the def side of the ball and playing against much better offenses week in and week out and it makes it look like USC's defense is not nearly as good. Now that may be the case as far as overall defense but one thing that the USC defense knows how to do and when to do it is get turnovers.

You are sounding like me!

Texas D ? Who have they played? The highest rated offense they played was Texas Tech. Now look at Tech, against any decent opponent other than Texas?.hmmm against Ok. St Tech got only 17pts, against Okla. they got only 23 pts including that phantom last TD! Tech is obviously not that prolific. BELIEVE ME, THIS Texas D HAS SEEN NOTHING EVEN CLOSE TO SC?S WEAPONS.

Look at all the high powered offenses USC D has faced. They are tested and will get healthy for bowl game.

Here is a clue to people who quote stats. USC pass D is ranked somewhere #40 in the country and Texas D is prob. top 10. (didn't bother to look it up so could be way off) So people assume Texas has really great D. But these stats don't tell the entire story. USC plays in the Pac 10 with great offenses. USC also plays tough OOC against great offenses. Of course USC pass D stats will be skewed negatively. Just like Texas plays in a conf. and OOC schedule against $hit offense their pass D will be skewed positively. PEOPLE ALWAYS FAIL TO LOOK AT THIS WHEN THEY BASH USC! Then they get shocked and embarrassed when USC kicks @SS in their BCS bowl games.

Also I read on here that on Pinn and CRIS you can bet the game; do you know what the max bet is on those sites for this game.
I appreciate the help
Thanks

I think 5k at a time. Maybe 3k at a time. When I placed my large USC futures wagers, I put max bet in, waited 3min. then put it in again. So there really is no max. Just a max you can wager for each submit. Of course they will adjust the line after each time you put a max in.

 

[Scott4USC]

One more thing USC backers my enjoy reading. I honestly believe USC has been holding back a lot this year. Here are couple examples to support my opinion.

How many wheel routes has Reggie Bush ran this year? Not many. When he does they always work. What did USC do against Fresno St. in 4th quarter when USC was down and crucial drive? BUSH WHEEL ROUTE that worked to perfection. He was wide open. USC needed big play so they had to use Bush wheel route. But they have not done it very often.

How about lining up Bush/White in the backfield together? USC did it last year all the time. NOT ONCE has USC done it this year. When USC does line both back there, Bush can split out to WR and you still have to honor the run etc. Just makes it that much harder. White is easily an NFL caliber RB. White also can catch the ball too. So now you gotta worry about White, Bush, WR Jarret and Smith, TE BYRD, FB Kirtman/Hancock on field together? ALL proven dangerous gamebreaking players. Believe me, the FB's are VERY dangerous in this offense.

TE Byrd has not been utilized a whole lot this year. He easily could be the MVP of the Rose Bowl. I think he has been hurt from the Reggie Bush Heisman campaign. Same with Lendale White. But USC plays Texas after Trophy is handed out. Last year USC used Bush as decoy vs OU. Bush was happy to accept that role and not be the star of the game. Shows what kind of player and team Carroll has. We sure got big dose of INJURED Lendale White in that OB game and he flat out dominated. OU looked like they never seen a big powerful back before. White might be the difference maker against Texas as well. Did you see those Aggies tear through that Texas DL? Imagine White and Bush getting holes from the USC OL who is 10x better than the Aggies OL. Texas D had no threat from Aggie pass offense lead by 2nd string QB. You think Texas will have to respect Leinart and USC's passing game? :mj07:

I believe USC has played vanilla offense with few new plays each week. While USC has seen new $hit every week from their opponents giving USC their best shot.

I have just shown how USC can do things differently for Texas that Texas has no gamefilm from this years team. Who is confident Texas will be prepared anyways. If Texas is prepared, they still might see stuff they never seen before. USC has played 3 BCS opponents 3 straight years, and according to USC defensive players, they saw nothing new they didn't analyze in practice. Will Texas shake things up? Will Texas be the first team to insert a new offensive schemes for USC? I am not sure they can because they run a high school offense.

 

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[THE KOD]

Lets see if USC can take care of business vs UCLA Saturday then talk about playing Texas.

Wouldnt it be crazy if USC were to lose that game and the BCS put Texas vs LSU for the champ game......

Holy Christmas

 

[DoMyDermBest]

Not just plain spam. This is regurgitated 3000+ time swallowed and projectile vomited variety.

 

[Sun Tzu]

Some of you people are clueless. I cant believe you fall for what some random tv commentator says about a 5 second film clip.

Vince Young's head was down because he was sick as a dog. He had an IV for breakfast and another one at halftime. It had nothing to do with pouting.

There are plenty of valid reasons to bet on USC - doing it on stupid bullshit that isnt remotely accurate isnt one of them. And trying to make something of an event for which you obviously know nothing cries of unwarranted desperation and grasping at straws.

 

[blgstocks]

Some of you people are clueless. I cant believe you fall for what some random tv commentator says about a 5 second film clip.

Vince Young's head was down because he was sick as a dog. He had an IV for breakfast and another one at halftime. It had nothing to do with pouting.

There are plenty of valid reasons to bet on USC - doing it on stupid bullshit that isnt remotely accurate isnt one of them. And trying to make something of an event for which you obviously know nothing cries of unwarranted desperation and grasping at straws.

couldnt agree more

If scot would watch any other games besides SC he would have seen Texas come from behind against Kansas in one of the most impressive drives of any team lastyear. Vince young scrambled for a first down with a 4th and 18 or something!!!!!

Texas come back against Michigan in rose bowl (how could you not have seen that comeback !!!!!! National coverage)

Texas comeback v OSU this year one of the biggest games of the season (again how do you miss this comeback)

I dont think I have read a more ignorant comment on these boards. And Scott even though I disagree with you most of the time. I respect your posts because they mostly have good info but to jump on a quote about Vince Young giving up and use that as evidence for a texas loss!!!!

Ridiculous

Does anyone else feel sameway?

 

[Scott4USC]

couldnt agree more

If scot would watch any other games besides SC he would have seen Texas come from behind against Kansas in one of the most impressive drives of any team lastyear. Vince young scrambled for a first down with a 4th and 18 or something!!!!!

I did watch that game. I had Kansas! I agree it was nice come from behind victory.

Texas come back against Michigan in rose bowl (how could you not have seen that comeback !!!!!! National coverage)

Young was awesome in that game. No doubt about that! I always watch the Rose Bowl. (my favorite bowl)

Texas comeback v OSU this year one of the biggest games of the season (again how do you miss this comeback)

I watched the end of 2q and 2h. Young was amazing in that game too.

I dont think I have read a more ignorant comment on these boards. And Scott even though I disagree with you most of the time. I respect your posts because they mostly have good info but to jump on a quote about Vince Young giving up and use that as evidence for a texas loss!!!!

Thanks and I respect your posts as well. I also don't mind you disagreeing with me.

Young was shown pouting on the sideline when his team needed him most. That without question is not an example of a leader. Young was on PTI the other day, (horrible interviewer BTW) Young was asked about why he was shown sitting down pouting. Young said it was because his team did not give their best performance.Those were YOUNG's words. That is NOT an example of a team leader.

Here is an article that agrees with my opinion.

I. Naughty, Naughty, Vince: The Significance of a Shocking Display

All season, Vince Young has been a leader for the Texas Longhorns. He, and no one else, was and is responsible for the elevation of the program that now stands one win from the Rose Bowl. He has provided extra dimensions of athletic skill, confidence and--most importantly--the kind of leadership that carries a team to the next level. He?s been the kind of X-factor player who has been so good--and so inspirational--that Mack Brown, a great CEO and recruiter but a lousy X-and-O guy, has been able to be extremely comfortable (and Brown himself has affirmed this reality) in Austin.

With Young, a man who provides the perfect blend of tangible and intangible benefits, Brown can sell his program, allow his coordinators to scheme, and do what he does best: motivate his team while keeping his boys focused. Young masks Brown?s deficiencies as a sideline coach while magnifying all of his strengths. Vince Young has enabled anything and everything to come together perfectly in Austin, and as awesome as he is from a physical standpoint, it?s his leadership that has made Young so important to the Texas program.

When VY told his teammates in the offseason, ?If you want to beat Ohio State, meet me here every night at 7 p.m. for 7-on-7 (conditioning drills),? the quarterback set the entire tone for this smashingly successful 2005 season. When he then delivered the cash-money throw to Limas Sweed to win the ballgame in the final minutes--by far, the biggest play of the year and one of the most significant plays in the storied history of Longhorn football--it was no surprise that the leader on the practice field was able to lead by example in the heat of battle. Young the athletic stud has been eclipsed in 2005 only by Young the team leader, and it?s this presence of enormous character that has served VY better than anything else this gifted man possesses.

So with all this having been said, there?s just one question to ask after Friday?s game between Texas and the A&M Aggies: what the heck was Vince Young doing sulking, pouting and displaying awful body language on the Longhorn sideline?

One should not be quick to downgrade the Texas team after that game, but one should be quick to say that Vince Young--whom I had ahead of Reggie Bush going into the game, despite Bush?s 513 total yards against Fresno--lost the Heisman against A&M. But let?s be clear in explaining why Young lost the Heisman on Friday in College Station.


First of all, it?s important to say that VY lost any possible consideration for the award not because he played poorly--he?s been a much more consistent player than Bush has been in 2005, and having a bad game only serves to magnify his excellence throughout the rest of this season. No, VY lost the Heisman for one simple reason: he pouted. He sat quietly on the sideline, making a sour face and failing to motivate his teammates, who clearly feed off his emotions, for better or worse. If Young?s struggles were accompanied by better emotional leadership, perhaps the Horns wouldn?t have allowed a 14-0 lead to vanish in a game that was much more competitive than a lot of people had a right to expect. But since Young--who clearly exhibited the disappointment of failing to make a Heisman statement--dragged down his mood and, with it, the mood of his team, he does not deserve the highest honor a college football player can receive. For getting so caught up in himself--even if his achievements over a whole season might still eclipse what Bush has done on the gridiron--Vince Young does not deserve the distinction of being named the most outstanding player in the country. And while it?s true that Bush shows off way too much when he jogs to the goal line or plays to the crowd, Bush has shown nothing on the order of what Young displayed on Friday. If Bush continues to act like a jerk on the field, VY shouldn?t be the plan B for Heisman voters. Matt Leinart--who is the epitome of class, dignity and grace in every way imaginable--would deserve the Heisman more than Young at this point.

Heisman issues aside, Young?s pouty display raises an interesting question for the Rose Bowl: will Young repent of his actions and become an even better leader and person as a result of this incident on the visitor?s sideline of Kyle Field? Or, will VY be so wrapped up in his personal image and accomplishments that he loses all focus for a game that will be hyped beyond belief? Young could either use this moment as a chance to immediately snap himself back into reality, or as a time to doubt his skills and gifts. If he does the former, Texas could be in even better shape when the Longhorns travel to Pasadena; if VY does the latter, however, you can bank on another sloppy, turnover-filled performance that will result in yet another BCS title game loss for a Big XII Conference power.

Collegiate sports are all about growing up; no one can or should expect big-time athletes to display flawless behavior in their very early twenties, and Vince Young has displayed exemplary behavior for most of this season in Austin. But VY deserves a sharp rebuke--and the withdrawal of Heisman consideration--for his display in College Station on Friday, and one hopes, above anything else, that this gifted human being will become a better person as a result of this experience.

Handling emotions is a difficult task for every person, and VY?s ?bad mind day?--as is the case with other athletes--happened to take place in front of a national TV audience. So the damage is done, and like the rest of us, VY has to regroup and learn from the experience. Everyone should sincerely wish that Vince Young?s life--forget his career--becomes enriched as a result of this passage through the cauldron of a young man?s emotions as they get churned around in the public spotlight. You don?t have to want Young to win the Rose Bowl--USC fans especially--but you should definitely want Young to learn how to be even more of a man.

Yes, it will be interesting to see how Young will handle this experience as he prepares for the Rose Bowl, and that now becomes a big X-factor in the outcome of the game. But at the end of the day, that?s a question of a very different nature; what matters now is that Vince Young does off the football field, not on it.

 

[tom]

That article is biased BS. First off notice there is no reputable name attached to it. That's just some scenario a hack journalist conjured up and ran with.
To say that Young was contemplating his Heisman status on the sideline seems extremely far fetched. Wow, had no idea Young had become so selfish overnight

 

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That article is probably from the Trojan Weekly.

 

[sdf]

VY was caught picking his nose on ABC too. disgraceful. if that doesnt show a lack of leadership, i dont know what does.