You have to be crazy to base your USC / TX play based on what you see tonight, Fresno has played to this point the way I thought they would. Football is an emotional game and Fresno had nothing left after USC. Talk about a spot for a let down, it would have been a bigger surprise if they came out on all cylinders.
Is Fresno Trying to Lose?
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gjn23 said:
But yet this is a legit excuse for SC, but yet SC backers or UT bashers, wont accept that for the A&M & Ok ST games for Texas.
That was A&M's super last week as well vs their arch rival.
USC was not sleepwalking against FSU. FSU got the breaks they needed. You have to give lots of credit to Fresno St. This was their BCS NC game.
2 keys to game that people must realize.
FSU fumbled 3 times in 1h and recoverd all 3 fumbles. USC D is designed to force turnovers and FG's. It accomplished NEITHER in the 1h against FSU.
USC special teams gave FSU 2 drives in 2h that started at USC 28 and USC 15 yard line. Not to mention all the other great field position etc.
I'll add one more thing. FSU converted 2 4th down plays in the 1h.
2 keys to game that people must realize.
FSU fumbled 3 times in 1h and recoverd all 3 fumbles. USC D is designed to force turnovers and FG's. It accomplished NEITHER in the 1h against FSU.
USC special teams gave FSU 2 drives in 2h that started at USC 28 and USC 15 yard line. Not to mention all the other great field position etc.
I'll add one more thing. FSU converted 2 4th down plays in the 1h.
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sure...it looked like texas was sleep walking vs am...it also looked like am ran the ball all game long and young wasn't right
either team can beat the other it one isnt at their best....both teams play their game and i see sc winning by dd
either team can beat the other it one isnt at their best....both teams play their game and i see sc winning by dd
Scott4USC said:
Honestly this may be your best post I have read yet on this topic. :clap:
One thing though,
USC did an awesome job putting 508 total yards & your previous post says what a big # that is, but then you turn around & say USC D didnt play bad, the special teams did, but FSU put up 434 total yards only 70 less than USC.....that doesnt seem to mesh.
IF 508 is great, than 434 can not taken as good D by USC.
scott.....the first half of that game vs fresneck sc was totally sleep walking
how else do you explain 13 points in one half and 37 in the second.....how else do you explain 25 and 31 yard fg's....they really weren't prepared......had they been prepared they lay the wood to fresneck early and win by 20+....easy
how else do you explain 13 points in one half and 37 in the second.....how else do you explain 25 and 31 yard fg's....they really weren't prepared......had they been prepared they lay the wood to fresneck early and win by 20+....easy
Well I as a Buckeye fan of the team that held The Horns to their lowest point total all year, just want to add my two cents worth to this discussion:
HOOK EM HORNS !!!!!!! :clap:
HOOK EM HORNS !!!!!!! :clap:
Is it true that Usc's special teams ranks last of all teams ? I heard today that they rank 119 th overall.
3 Seconds said:
Thanks for the compliment. USC D IMO played average against Fresno St. and FSU offense played great. Combine both WITH USC special teams playing like $hit you get those stats.
Remember, USC plays BEND BUT DON'T BREAK D. This D is designed to force turnovers and kick FG's. It works PERFECTLY at the college level. USC dialed in on D in the 3q and dominated. Carroll changed stuff up. in the 4th q Hill adjusted and Carroll was slow in making more adjustments. Hill did fantastic job coaching and Carroll said so. Carroll said he is to blame for USC D for doing poor job adjusting.
Watch USC closely on D and they hit the living $hit out of you every play. It takes its toll for 4quarters and forces a hell of a lot of turnovers. I think USC has beaten the $hit out of 7-8 QB's this year on the schedule. Brutal beatings all game long. How does USC do this? They bend but don't break. Don't give up big plays, but if they catch short plays hit the $hit out of them. Stop the run, force turnovers, and don't give up big plays. Carroll philosophy.
Now here is where Carroll is a genius. He plays vanilla in 1h. In the 2h, he see's what opponent is doing successfully and takes it away. Opponent has no clue what USC is doing on D so they can't make halftime adjustments against USC. Good luck making in game adjustments against USC and Pete Carroll. If it takes too long, with USC offense you might be down 21pts before you know it. Carroll also has all his blitz schemes he can throw down on key situations that opponent has never seen.
LASTLY, don't forget USC D is injury depleted. So when I say USC played ok on D, I am also factoring in USC not being healthy.
I know you are for Texas. The #1 thing you should fear is turnovers against USC. Texas has problem holding onto the ball in big games. On Jan. 5th they will be playing in the biggest game EVER and against a defense designed to force turnovers. USC leads the nation in # of turnovers the last 4 years. Not a fluke. It is by design. Every Wed. USC spends most of practice on technique forcing turnovers.
gjn23 said:
I disagree. Remember, USC would have scored TD 1st possession if Dwane Jarret didn't drop that TD pass. Then the next play I think Leianart fumbled snap. Those things kill drives. USC was excuting and playing their style all game long. FSU played well and prepared USC well for Texas..
USC should have had 20pts in 1h. If FSU didn't recover all 3 fumbles in the 1h USC D forced, then USC might have had 30pts in the 1h. Just the way the ball bounces. Can't drop TD passes either. USC for most part doesn't drop passes. EXCEPT FOR ND GAME!
bryanz said:
USC special teams SUCK! Mostly due to injuries. USC is extremely banged up at LB and DB positions. That is where you field your special team players. USC also doesn't have a special teams coach.
I am looking forward to seeing how USC special teams do against UCLA and Drew. I hope Carroll has had time to fix the problem the last 2 weeks. Scott4USC said:
everything you said.......just supported gjn's point -- that usc was sleepwalking in the 1h against fresno. thats a perfect description of sleepwalking --- dropped td passes and fumbled snaps. basically, careless mistakes made by a superior team to keep an underdog in the game early.
usc is going to destroy ucla tomorrow so the fresno game is moot.
but my god, be objective. usc did not play well against fresno.
on a side note -- for the life of me, i cant understand how 'bend but dont break' defense is a genius philosophy when you have the best recruits and athletes in the entire country in your program. i dont exactly see ohio state playing bend but dont break defense.
wont matter tomorrow because trojans rout 'em, but your spins on some of this stuff are amazing.
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gman you took the words out of my mouth.....scott is usually pretty acurate but you have to see the sc games with your own eyes to know when he is bluffing
sc was totally flat, emotionless vs fresneck.....no doubt about it
as far as sc routing ucla.....tough call....sc's special teams has been horrible....if ucla gets return yardage from drew they have a chance to win outright....however.....i was at the ua-ucla game and cant get the vision of our defense shutting down ucla and our offense shredding ucla's defense.......i can see sc scoring on almost every possession if they are focused
tough game to cap.....sc has been giving too many points this year and they been about 50-50 covering.....that's what this game comes down to, flip a coin....but the line is higher than i thought which leads me to think vegas is expecting a blowout
sc was totally flat, emotionless vs fresneck.....no doubt about it
as far as sc routing ucla.....tough call....sc's special teams has been horrible....if ucla gets return yardage from drew they have a chance to win outright....however.....i was at the ua-ucla game and cant get the vision of our defense shutting down ucla and our offense shredding ucla's defense.......i can see sc scoring on almost every possession if they are focused
tough game to cap.....sc has been giving too many points this year and they been about 50-50 covering.....that's what this game comes down to, flip a coin....but the line is higher than i thought which leads me to think vegas is expecting a blowout
gman2 said:
I can see your point. But that was only 2 plays and mistakes. USC makes mistakes just like everyone. The difference is USC doesn't make mistakes often and if they do, they can overcome them. For example dropping 5 wide open passes @ND, giving up punt return for TD, AND 2 turnovers on top of that.
Most of what I said is supported by facts on what actually happened. I said USC didn't play well but I don't think the D played poorly. Especially considering the injuries. USC D gets a C, special teams a D, and USC O gets an A-.
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I knew if you were reading this thread you were going to post this exact thing.
THIS DEFENSE WORKS FOR USC AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL AND PLAYING IN THE PAC 10 with explosive offenses. IT WORKS! In the BCS bowls you have seen the USC D dominate. Those same defenses gave up $hit load of stats in regular season against Pac 10 offense.
Like I said before. USC plays a basic vanilla bend but don't break D in the 1h of games. Then USC makes adjustments accordingly at halftime that the opposing team CAN"T ADJUST TOO! Basically Carroll doesn't show his card until the 2h. Look at how USC outscored FSU 28-7 in 3q. FSU offense was completely out of whack at the USC D adjustments.
When has a Pete Carroll defense lost the game for USC? Ummmm, I honestly don't remember. I remember USC offense losing bunch of games. This year, USC offense has carried the USC D for first time in Pete Carroll era.
Can you argue with the success of Pete Carroll? Carroll SAYS he runs a bend but don't break d. Most of what I am saying is from what Carroll has said. So not making any of this up. Carroll is very candid in his MMQB meetings and will answer ANYBODY's questions. Only thing he won't answer are recruiting questions.
Now in the BCS bowls USC blitzs a lot more etc. That gives USC the advantage because opponents have not seen it on film.
LASTLY, this Ohio St. D you quoted would not be getting the same praise if they played USC's schedule. I am VERY confident in that statement!
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fresno's offensive coordinator sucks diiiiiiiiiii
fresno's offensive coordinator sucks diiiiiiiiiii
I played for Cignetti @ a D2 school in Pennsylvania. He got his job because his daddy is the head coach there. He is nothing but an egotistical jerk-off. OVERATED.
fresno's offensive coordinator sucks diiiiiiiiiii
I played for Cignetti @ a D2 school in Pennsylvania. He got his job because his daddy is the head coach there. He is nothing but an egotistical jerk-off. OVERATED.
G-Man2
You brought up OSU and I was thinking, there is a common opponent between the 2 programs in 2003.
What was USC D ranked in the country 2003? Ohio St. D? I am going to guess statistically OSU D was ranked higher. I know the country didn't think much about USC D. I def. know most of MJ's didn't. Michigan was going to walk over USC in that game with their high octane offense.
Michigan played OSU last game of year regular season. (duh)
Michigan played USC in BCS bowl game. (duh)
2003
Michigan scored 35pts vs Ohio St.
Michigan scored 14pts vs USC
Michigan had 448 total yards against Ohio St.
Michigan had 320 total yards against USC.
Michigan 8.7 yards per pass against Ohio St.
Michigan 4.9 yards per pass against USC.
Michigan 4.3 yards per rush against Ohio St.
Michigan 1.3 yards per rush against USC.
You brought up OSU and I was thinking, there is a common opponent between the 2 programs in 2003.
What was USC D ranked in the country 2003? Ohio St. D? I am going to guess statistically OSU D was ranked higher. I know the country didn't think much about USC D. I def. know most of MJ's didn't. Michigan was going to walk over USC in that game with their high octane offense.
Michigan played OSU last game of year regular season. (duh)
Michigan played USC in BCS bowl game. (duh)
2003
Michigan scored 35pts vs Ohio St.
Michigan scored 14pts vs USC
Michigan had 448 total yards against Ohio St.
Michigan had 320 total yards against USC.
Michigan 8.7 yards per pass against Ohio St.
Michigan 4.9 yards per pass against USC.
Michigan 4.3 yards per rush against Ohio St.
Michigan 1.3 yards per rush against USC.
Why is it every other team's mistakes are prrof of how truly awful they are, yet for USC it is a never ending string of "ifs?"
Geez, play the if game long enough and we could argue Akron should play in the Rose Bowl.
Geez, play the if game long enough and we could argue Akron should play in the Rose Bowl.
Scott4USC said:
well hopefully we'll get a chance to see if that's true because notre dame vs. ohio state is a distinct possibility.
i don't think there's any doubt that ohio state would let up a few more points if they played in the pac-10.
just like there's no doubt usc would'nt score as many points if they played in the big10 or sec.
that's not denigrating either team. its just the reality of it.
ohio state's defense would be dominant in any conference, but statistically, it would probably give up more points in the pac10
and usc's offense would be dominant in any conference, but statistically, they wouldn't average what they average if they played in the big10 or sec.
this isnt a conference debate. its more just the reality of it.
both teams are excellent.
but just like there's no doubt usc has a better offense than ohio state, there's no doubt ohio state has a better defense, especially fundamentally, than usc. some of that is scheme, some of that is talent (obviously osu's linebackers are just about tops in the nation) and some of that is just the fact that usc is young on that side of the ball.
