We Report, We Decide

[Nick Douglas]

On Shep's show tonight they did a, "We report, you decide," piece on illegal immigration. The entire tone of the story was one of doubt over a recent study claiming that illegal immigrants provide a boost to the California economy.

Though it is certainly true that there are biased studies done on both sides of the immigration argument, a show like Shep's is supposed to be above partisanship. The fact is that FNC seems to have a editorial orders to march on behalf of the anti-immigration movement.

Just about any economist will tell you that open borders are a benefit, not a burden. One can argue the cultural and criminal impact of open borders, but not the financial impact. If FNC wants to rail against immigrants from Mexico and South America, that's their business. But at least they could be honest about it.

 

[IntenseOperator]

It would be nice to close the borders while shipping back the illegals for 6 months or a year, as a trial run of course, and watch the economy fall apart. NOT


BTW
Like to see the opinion of those that get into car accidents or rent to illegals.

 

[ferdville]

I doubt that illegal aliens are a boon to the California economy. They are a huge drain in terms of schools, prisons, hospitals, etc - no benefit can outweigh those damaging costs that cost taxpayers BILLIONS>

 

[dr. freeze]

I doubt that illegal aliens are a boon to the California economy. They are a huge drain in terms of schools, prisons, hospitals, etc - no benefit can outweigh those damaging costs that cost taxpayers BILLIONS>

ditto, i am sure those "fair and balanced" studies fail to mention these expenses

Congrats to FOX for telling us the WHOLE story

By the way, FOX is one of the most centrist stations on the air...even liberal UCLA will admit that :mj07: :mj07: :clap: :clap:

 

[djv]

FOX CENTER? There a little late on this one tho.

 

[Palehose]

On Shep's show tonight they did a, "We report, you decide," piece on illegal immigration. The entire tone of the story was one of doubt over a recent study claiming that illegal immigrants provide a boost to the California economy.

Though it is certainly true that there are biased studies done on both sides of the immigration argument, a show like Shep's is supposed to be above partisanship. The fact is that FNC seems to have a editorial orders to march on behalf of the anti-immigration movement.

Just about any economist will tell you that open borders are a benefit, not a burden. One can argue the cultural and criminal impact of open borders, but not the financial impact. If FNC wants to rail against immigrants from Mexico and South America, that's their business. But at least they could be honest about it.

Exactly so how many death's is it worth ? When some Muslim crosses that border with a suitcase nuke and kills a million in LA was it worth the open border ? Tough questions with tougher answers no ?

 

[dawgball]

I saw a piece (I thougt it was on Fox) about some Texas farms that are really suffering due to tougher imigration lately. They said that it will be effecting prices to consumer in a negative way. This would be the other side of the story.

 

[Mjolnir]

now they are talking about creating a preschool system for those children that dont speak english. supposedly a 6 month class. so now the taxpayers will be responsible for paying for another class.

 

[AR182]

nick...

if you think illegals are a benefit to the economy....then your benevolent state wouldn't mind taking the illegals from arizona.....

i think you're hanging around too much with nancy pelosi & her crew....

 

[dawgball]

now they are talking about creating a preschool system for those children that dont speak english. supposedly a 6 month class. so now the taxpayers will be responsible for paying for another class.

I think this is where I will differ from most conservatives (most people for that matter). IF we do not take measures to control immigration, it would be beneficial for us to educate them so they can contribute to ou society instead of being a drain on it. An uneducated person costs this country a whole lot more over a lifetime than a preliminary English lesson will.

Not saying that I want to give in and pay for something else, but if we don't do a better job of controlling our borders (and if there are people that are defending that they remain here), then we should at least make them a viable part of our society.

I have to stop there, or I am going to be late to my PETA meeting.

 

[djv]

LOU DOBBS CNN 5 PM every night for past 20 to 24 months has been on this story. Even O'Riley paid him respect for his reporting and staying after this subject. He's had dam near every Senator, Congressman, Governor, Ranches or Pickle grower on his show to discuss it. Watch and learn.

 

[dawgball]

Even O'Riley paid him respect for his reporting and staying after this subject.

That sounds like a very "fair and balanced" assessment if you ask me.

 

[IntenseOperator]

nick...

if you think illegals are a benefit to the economy....then your benevolent state wouldn't mind taking the illegals from arizona.....

i think you're hanging around too much with nancy pelosi & her crew....

:nutkick

 

[smurphy]

I'm having a difficult time with this issue. I began very anti-illegal, but more and more I'm taking a more open-minded position. Our history has always included an immigrant labor population that tends to work very hard, take most the thankless jobs, and eventually assimilate and provide more opportunities for their following generations. It's been sort of the American Dream that we don't really acknowledge in public.

I really don't know what the other options are. It's easy to point to the negatives and have a kneejerk reaction against the illegals, but it's also being in denial of what has been our reality for the last couple hundred years. Yeah - there's the terror threat angle, but we're probably not going to do anything about that as long as the economy is so strongly linked.

I guess I actually understand the lack of action by politicians - what do we actually want them to do? I think deep down we all don't want them to do a damn thing. We want the labor - we need the labor. That superceeds any complaints about public costs, criminals, and terrorists.

 

[AR182]

smurphy quote:"I guess I actually understand the lack of action by politicians -"


i don't understand the lack of action by politicians....imo, by them not doing anything means to me is that it's ok for people to break the law.....if it's alright for people breaking the law i wonder if theey would mind us robbing a bank....since it seems ok to break the law..

to me this is a non issue...enforce the laws of this country...it's pretty simple...

 

[smurphy]

The more I look at it, Al - the more I see at as a big game. Yeah - I really do understand why no politician on either side actually gets anything accomplished. They have to make a semi-effort in public, but the bottom line is they probably will never really do anything.

We definitely need the actual labor provided from illegal immigration - the numbers don't lie regarding that - there are more jobs than there are legal Americans willing to take those jobs.

Until something catastrophic happens, I don't think anything will change. The relatively isolated outrageous cases of bad crimes occuring are much more the exception compared to the ultra-hard working, fairly good-valued people providing the labor. As for public costs - well, nobody in power has ever hoinestly given a sh@t about that and they probably never will.

Same with labor outsourcing - I'd just look for a way to make it work FOR you. Any other course of action is like a hopeless swim against the tide. ...Anyway, it all actually fits with our history of capitalism. I say roll with it. ....but no, don't rob a bank.

 

[gardenweasel]

i just heard that mexico will fight the fencing off of our border......vicente fox is livid.....


?????

it`s america...not mexico..i think......how do they make that call?

what happened?....did the 9th circuit in cali make some sort of "progessive" decision that cedes part of our border to vicente fox?......

eminant domain gone wild...

stfu,vicente...it`s not our fault that 45% of mexicans live in poverty....

do your job...

the gall.....

 

[djv]

Dead on Garden one of the biggest problems is the dick head president of Mexico. And our government has to wake up about that point.

 

[dawgball]

smurphy -- I agree with most of what you say (I'm waiting for lightning to strike anytime, too!), but I don't agree that politicians should do nothing. I think we should take a holistic view of the situation, find out how our country can benefit most while not abusing the immigrants, and take the necessary action.

My take on this is very similar to my opinion on outsourcing. It is not going away, so like you said we need to find out how we can best benefit from it and take action.

This is where our country's structure breaks down. There are very few people in politics that are smart enough to handle a task like this. Add to that the abundance of red tape and influence by fringe organizations, and we (as taxpayers) get stuck wiht the horrible situation we are in now.

Damn, I 've had too much coffee this morning!

 

[Nick Douglas]

No offense to anyone on this board, but none of you are even close to being experts in economics (neither am I). Ask anyone schooled in macroeconomics and they will tell you the benefits of open borders. Again, one can argue the overall societal benefits, but the economic benefits are clear. This is even taking into account any money needed for the added burden on schools, health care, etc.

Again, my problem is with the tone of the piece. If you are going to say, "You Decide", then let me decide. Don't show a quick clip of some lady arguing for open borders and then crush her with five straight minutes of doubt about her group's study.

As far as a terrorist attack from Mexico or South America, you are dreaming. I love these clowns who live their lives in fear. Most of you jokers probably live in the suburbs or some other place where a terrorist strike will never occur.

The bottom line is that you can't close a border just for the infinitessimally small chance that a terrorist could sneak over. Again, if you want to make a cultural argument, that is fine, but don't make yourselves look foolish by arguing security and economic reasons for border tightening.

BTW, I think the Prez has the right idea on the borders. Temporary worker cards would be a great idea in my personal opinion. Of course, the anti-hispanic movement on the right will probably never let this happen.